India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[Rassil Krishnan]

This is one of the basis a nation takes pride in. It's quote tough to run a diverse country with authoritarian regime. Over it, authoritarianism doesn't necessarily translate into rapid decision making system and progress.

If people of nation aren't made "democratic" in mind to overthrow an oppressive regime, any good or corrupt leader will rule unchallenged no matter he's right or wrong. You shouldn't forget that world's all of world's most ruined states are a result of unchallengeable incompetent regimes in their country and not democracy.

Even China became an exception because of Deng. Otherwise we all know what China was upto under Mao.

Internal issues have nothing to do with freedom of speech and restricting freedom of speech doesn't make the issues invisible to foreign nations. There are so many ways to generate it.

Though if by restricting freedom of speech, you mean cutting off internet and means of mass communication, abolishing countries all newspaper and channels, locking people in homes to avoid info exchanges and finally close the economy more than North Korea heading towards an economic collapse, you are fine.
World knows little about countries with collapsed ecosystem like Somalia.

We ban trolls and we tolerate them regardless of nationality.
And DFI doesn't live with in fantasy of being in a "propaganda war" with anyone. We all know that we are unassociated enthusiast about India's national security and nothing else


China's aim was nothing but preventing its people's access to information from world media, not a noble cause.

As far atheism is concerned, there is no true "atheism" since it isn't a religion. Even Chinese communists were backwards minded and wee being trained around.
There is nothing called "true atheism" in CCP. Communists are atheists for political reasons and not scientific ones.

and yet when people ask for exactly what happens in uygher areas in xinjiang,most people cannot give a proper answer and that means china can make it whatever it wants it to be.

 

[kaaleshwaar]

This is because Muslims make up 15% of india, but only hold 3% senior positions and very low wealth share (<5%).
And average income which is 7% less than national average and 50% below upper castes.

Muslims constitute 14% of India, but just 3% of India Inc

Data on blue-collar employment of Muslims, who constitute 14.2% of population, in the private sector is scarce.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Income inequality in India: Top 10% upper caste households own 60% wealth

Among OBCs and STs too, top 10% had cornered most wealth. Top 10% of both groups held around 52% of wealth in 2012 and top 10% of SCs' share increased three percentage points to 46.7% till 2012

www.business-standard.com

This has nothing to do with Indian govt policies which are 99% secular.

Equal opportunities are given to all religions. Rather muslims get more reservation which is a help and not an oppression of any kind.

If they are not able to catch to Hindus, it is their fault and not Indian govt.

They do well in sports as so many cricketers are muslims (Zaheer Khan, Pathan bros, etc) and in Bollywood (Salman, Amir and Shahrukh). But still fail economically on average due to lack of focus on education and too much focus on madrasas.

It's their own culture and not Indian policies which is at fault.

Based and Saffronpilled

 

[Indx TechStyle]

and yet when people ask for exactly what happens in uygher areas in xinjiang,most people cannot give a proper answer and that means china can make it whatever it wants it to be.

Xinjiang basically is a state ruined by China and yet economically afloat by China.

I'm not sure what you are going to achieve in India by spreading such kind of hardship. We are a quite relaxed society with normal lives.

 

[ketaki]

“Some” people cannot stop boasting about “we muslims ruled for thousand years” (lol) while at the same time complain that muslims have only x % of wealth/jobs/ xxx while having population of x++% and is somehow non muslim’s fault even after stealing 40% of land in 1947

what weed do you smoke brah?

 

[TakAman]

“Some” people cannot stop boasting about “we muslims ruled for thousand years” (lol) while at the same time complain that muslims have only x % of wealth/jobs/ xxx while having population of x++% and is somehow non muslim’s fault even after stealing 40% of land in 1947

what weed do you smoke brah?

Haha. Their next step is to move to Christianity, apply some fair and handsome cream.

And claim that they ruled the world in one of the biggest empires, for 200+ years.

 

[Indrajit]

This is because Muslims make up 15% of india, but only hold 3% senior positions and very low wealth share (<5%).
And average income which is 7% less than national average and 50% below upper castes.

Muslims constitute 14% of India, but just 3% of India Inc

Data on blue-collar employment of Muslims, who constitute 14.2% of population, in the private sector is scarce.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Income inequality in India: Top 10% upper caste households own 60% wealth

Among OBCs and STs too, top 10% had cornered most wealth. Top 10% of both groups held around 52% of wealth in 2012 and top 10% of SCs' share increased three percentage points to 46.7% till 2012

www.business-standard.com

This has nothing to do with Indian govt policies which are 99% secular.

Equal opportunities are given to all religions. Rather muslims get more reservation which is a help and not an oppression of any kind.

If they are not able to catch to Hindus, it is their fault and not Indian govt.

They do well in sports as so many cricketers are muslims (Zaheer Khan, Pathan bros, etc) and in Bollywood (Salman, Amir and Shahrukh). But still fail economically on average due to lack of focus on education and too much focus on madrasas.

It's their own culture and not Indian policies which is at fault.

Post partition effect. Even at the best of times, Muslims were lagging Hindus in education but partition removed most of the Muslim middle class from northern India at one stroke leaving behind a few elite but mostly people at the bottom of the socio-economic rung. When you compare them with Hindu society as a whole, the data will look stark but when compared with similar socioeconomic Hindu population, the difference , though present because of the ghettoisation of the muslims is less compared to a full hindu society comparison. A new Muslim middle class is only slowly emerging and will take some time to start showing up on the charts.

In S.India where the effect of partition was limited, you get a very different picture from the north with Muslims much better represented at most levels.

 

[Ayushraj]

 

[TakAman]

Post partition effect. Even at the best of times, Muslims were lagging Hindus in education but partition removed most of the Muslim middle class from northern India at one stroke leaving behind a few elite but mostly people at the bottom of the socio-economic rung. When you compare them with Hindu society as a whole, the data will look stark but when compared with similar socioeconomic Hindu population, the difference , though present because of the ghettoisation of the muslims is less compared to a full hindu society comparison. A new Muslim middle class is only slowly emerging and will take some time to start showing up on the charts.

In S.India where the effect of partition was limited, you get a very different picture from the north with Muslims much better represented at most levels.

Most of them went to Pakistan.
If people who went to Pakistan were above average Indians on wealth, they should still be richer.

Why is Pakistan now 70% below us on per capita income, in that case.

 

[TakAman]

Post partition effect. Even at the best of times, Muslims were lagging Hindus in education but partition removed most of the Muslim middle class from northern India at one stroke leaving behind a few elite but mostly people at the bottom of the socio-economic rung. When you compare them with Hindu society as a whole, the data will look stark but when compared with similar socioeconomic Hindu population, the difference , though present because of the ghettoisation of the muslims is less compared to a full hindu society comparison. A new Muslim middle class is only slowly emerging and will take some time to start showing up on the charts.

In S.India where the effect of partition was limited, you get a very different picture from the north with Muslims much better represented at most levels.

Just to provide a counter argument to your claim:

Partition of India - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The 1951 Census of Pakistan recorded that the most significant number of Muslim refugees came from the East Punjab and nearby Rajputana states (Alwar and Bharatpur). They were several 5,783,100 and constituted 80.1% of Pakistan's total refugee population."

Appx. 7 million people (Muslims, non-muslims, etc) migrated to Pakistan.

India's muslim population is 220 million. Even at that time, it was 50 million+

Migrated muslims barely makes up 10% total muslims and hence insignificant in analysis.

 

[Indrajit]

Most of them went to Pakistan.
If people who went to Pakistan were above average Indians on wealth, they should still be richer.

Why is Pakistan now 70% below us on per capita income, in that case.

Not my point, the middle class who went from India have done very well for themselves both in Pakistan and the other countries they subsequently emigrated to but the original population of the Pakistan land area were mostly backward people who have then been stuck in this hopeless cycle of an Islamic state + security state minus oil essentially deciding to leave them to their own devices.

Let's be clear, Indian middle class had its spectacular growth post 1991 but had the education to grasp the opportunity and that boom has trickled down quite quickly to the lower middle class. Pakistan is a poorly run state with limited opportunities but the Middle class of pakistan while smaller than india has done well, for itself.

 

[Indrajit]

Migrated muslims barely makes up 10% total muslims and hence insignificant in analysis.

My point was that among those that migrated, a disproportionate number was from the middle class Muslim families of N.India. there were an important link to the Muslim society and their reduction in substantial numbers led to a breaking of a societal chain allowing for upward class migration. With a complete disconnect to the Hindu middle class, lower class Muslims were stuck in a run from which extraction is a very slow process.

 

[INDIAFIRST]

As someone said earlier
Paxstan is welcome, Paxstanis are not
A little G£n0ci∆e is required to keep things in order
The radical population will be a headache for us, we have enough Goat-Fuckers already

As I said Earlier, WW3 is required to reset the world order,

I wonder who will do the shank naad this time

 

[TakAman]

My point was that among those that migrated, a disproportionate number was from the middle class Muslim families of N.India. there were an important link to the Muslim society and their reduction in substantial numbers led to a breaking of a societal chain allowing for upward class migration. With a complete disconnect to the Hindu middle class, lower class Muslims were stuck in a run from which extraction is a very slow process.

I doubt if 10% can be called a disproportionate number or something substantial.
Also, it has been 70+ years since partition. The effects should have been easily reversed by now.

Secondly, they claim to be true rulers of India.
If they are really that special, then 70 years is such a long time for things to have reversed.

Indians migrate to USA from a nation with 2000 USD per capita income to 60,000 USD per annum.
And they are 4 million in number (not a few doctors, engineers we are talking about).

But all this (coming originally from poor background) never stopped them to reach the top.

Even the second generation does equally good or better there, against the myth that they don't have connection to US middle class.

 

[Indrajit]

I doubt if 10% can be called a disproportionate number or something substantial.
Also, it has been 70+ years since partition. The effects should have been easily reversed by now.

Middle class themselves would have been a small percentage of overall population that time. However among those that emigrated, they formed a disproportionate percentage.

Not so easily reversible. Middle classes form the base around which the society molds itself. Any new middle class takes generations to create their own balance with no peer system available to emulate. It is happening but very slowly, in a society where the clergy are not balanced by a powerful middle class.

 

[TakAman]

Middle class themselves would have been a small percentage of overall population that time. However among those that emigrated, they formed a disproportionate percentage.

Not so easily reversible. Middle classes form the base around which the society molds itself. Any new middle class takes generations to create their own balance with no peer system available to emulate. It is happening but very slowly, in a society where the clergy are not balanced by a powerful middle class.

Again, just a speculation.

Upward mobility of Muslims was high at the time of independence, but has dropped now.

The following article based on actual research is exactly opposite of what you say.

In charts: Indians have low upward mobility (and Muslims suffer the most), shows study

Adivasis and Dalits are doing better socioeconomically than a few generations ago even though liberalisation does not seem to have helped much.

scroll.in

 

[Indrajit]

Upward mobility of Muslims was high at the time of independence, but has dropped now.

Why do you think that is?

There is a problem when classifying all Muslims as one group. I made a point on N.Indian muslims and that bears itself out by any metric.

My last post on this topic BTW. Thanks for your time.

 

[TakAman]

Why do you think that is?

There is a problem when classifying all Muslims as one group. I made a point on N.Indian muslims and that bears itself out by any metric.

Because of low school enrollment.
As I said, they are less focused on education but more on religion.

Muslims are richer than OBCs. SCs and STs on average and in all sections of the society.

But have lowest school enrolment and literacy:

https://clarionindia.net/muslims-have-lowest-enrollment-rates-at-school-higher-education-report/

Literacy rate for Muslims worse than SC/STs | India News - Times of India

India News: The report shows that among the various social groups, the literacy rate for those aged 7 yrs or more was the highest for “others”, which is non-SC/ST

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[SKC]

Step 2 Unleash ISKCON, Agniveer and Arya Samaj in the valley but the state machinery can't support that it has to be overt.

Arya Samaj are bunch of psychos! and gone case. ISKON and Angineer does much much better job.

 

[SKC]

I listened to the astrologist, and he mentioned that the whole world will be with India. I assume quad, and Yankees. FYI POK also includes gilgit, chitral, dir. My understanding is that the war will be fought solely by India but allies help will be crucial such as satellite imagery, troops movements, disabling the Electromagnetic spectrum of the enemies, and blockage of the south china sea and malacca strait..... Pakistan will be crushed by Indian troops in 3 weeks, and China will come forward to help them which will cause the west to be allied with India. I foresee that India may have F35 by that time along with S400, Rafael etc. Number of men is not important these days, it's how fast and efficient you can inflict wounds to the enemy. The bigger foe is China, remember. We are locked in horns with them. They always unleash their lap dog to distract us.

Plot of next Akshay Kumar movie, Hindustan ka Qahar!
Akshay will take help from Experienced Sunny Paji and Ajay Devgan will launch a Tri point attach on Pak and China in mountains and South China sea in Ocean.
Movie will cross 1000cr in first week.

 

[Jimih]