India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[hit&run]

This one with the audio,


Apparently maratha bn involved in this Attack,



"3..2..1... Chatrapathi shivaji maharaj ki....pew..pew"


"mar gaya....mar Gaya... hold hold"

Porkistanis started it. I clearly remember when these cowards started killing Indians without provocation using sniper guns the Pakistani mutants celebrated it.
These Islamic losers who never won a war always escalate to next level for India to respond and then have the last laugh.
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Since Modi has administratively stabilised the J&K state; now the clock must be put back to post Pulwama attack.

I put my detailed opinion on what should have been done at that time but giving benefit of that misalignment with the union which was a long standing impediment; the indiscriminate offences must be let lose now. The army’s role of confidence building and social activism must end now. It must now behave in its ethereal avatar of broadsword. If Pakistan can run massive operations in FATA/Wajirstan then why India must shy away from working out similar operations.

The time is running out for Modi.

Sonia Gandhi has already done test runs on conjuring Islamist 5th column. She has 4th column already well oiled and connected with Globalists.

Modi must press the restart and it can not be done without going apocalyptic.

 

[Gandaberunda]

After heavy loses started usual Lollipop Lagta hai

 

[daya]

Exactly, time is running out. If he doesn't take any concrete decision, no one dare to do it in future.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Today India lost 6 Troopers 5 From CRPF and 1 From CISF and 3 CRPF and 7 CISF Troopers are Critically injured fighting for there life in the Hospital. This can’t go on forever. There is Cordon and Search Operation going on in Handwara and 21RR is back on the job again and this time they must roast these Pigs completely.

 

[Mikesingh]

The army’s role of confidence building and social activism must end now. It must now behave in its ethereal avatar of broadsword. If Pakistan can run massive operations in FATA/Wajirstan then why India must shy away from working out similar operations.

Totally agree we must stop this charade of what is commonly known as WHAMP (Winning Hearts And Minds of People) in the Valley. However doing what the Pakis are doing in FATA/Waziristan/Balochistan is a non starter where we are concerned. They have the advantage of counter narratives so well woven into the fabric of lies and deceit that they have managed to convince the Pakis themselves and the world that terrorists, the Afghan Army as well as the Indian Army are being hammered by their army which they contend has been blessed by none other than Allah himself! And the sheeple have fallen for this narrative hook, line, and sinker!

We must remember that Pak is run by the army, and for the army. An army that has a state! So there is complete media blackout in areas where they are committing genocide themselves like in Balochistan but no one raises a finger because no independent journalist is allowed to go there. The Pak ISPR trots out their usual fantasies which needless to say are far from the truth. So the world thinks all is hunky dory and that there are no HR violations happening out there.

Tanks, F-16s, artillery and attack choppers have been used there to quell an insurgency by Baloch freedom fighters. But has anyone objected or any HR organization done anything other than a cursory mention? Try that in India and see what happens.

We need to learn a thing or two from these Pakis on how to conduct info warfare and propaganda, spheres in which they are past masters and where we are sadly lacking. Until that happens we will always be at the receiving end.

 

[devlex]

T

Totally agree we must stop this charade of what is commonly known as WHAMP (Winning Hearts And Minds of People) in the Valley. However doing what the Pakis are doing in FATA/Waziristan/Balochistan is a non starter where we are concerned. They have the advantage of counter narratives so well woven into the fabric of lies and deceit that they have managed to convince the Pakis themselves and the world that terrorists, the Afghan Army as well as the Indian Army are being hammered by their army which they contend has been blessed by none other than Allah himself! And the sheeple have fallen for this narrative hook, line, and sinker!

We must remember that Pak is run by the army, and for the army. An army that has a state! So there is complete media blackout in areas where they are committing genocide themselves like in Balochistan but no one raises a finger because no independent journalist is allowed to go there. The Pak ISPR trots out their usual fantasies which needless to say are far from the truth. So the world thinks all is hunky dory and that there are no HR violations happening out there.

Tanks, F-16s, artillery and attack choppers have been used there to quell an insurgency by Baloch freedom fighters. But has anyone objected or any HR organization done anything other than a cursory mention? Try that in India and see what happens.

We need to learn a thing or two from these Pakis on how to conduct info warfare and propaganda, spheres in which they are past masters and where we are sadly lacking. Until that happens we will always be at the receiving end.

There is a precedence , although population was very low in comparison and with patchy communication was possible to wrap up the news .. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ra-gandhi-indian-air-force-1470879-2019-03-05

 

[Tridev123]

Bro,
There are two main ways to counter the latest offensive by napaki pigs. Either we hit them directly conventionally using our army or we hit them using proxies. If in this Corona Virus situation a direct military escalation is inappropriate then we need to pay the b**st**ds back using their tactics.

AN ATTACK BY OUTFITS LIKE TTP OR BLA IN Islamabad, Rawalpindi or Lahore killing a HVT like a Major Gen/Lt. Gen would make them shit in their pants. The Punjabi army pigs are very sensitive to attacks in Pak Punjab.

We need to create assets in Porkland who can execute attacks like these. An ambush in Pak Punjab killing a dozen Pork army men would really shake them.
Or at least a big bomb blast in Lahore.
They will try to retaliate but we must manage and prevent it.

Jai Mata Di
Jai Hind

 

[Gandaberunda]

Bro,
There are two main ways to counter the latest offensive by napaki pigs. Either we hit them directly conventionally using our army or we hit them using proxies. If in this Corona Virus situation a direct military escalation is inappropriate then we need to pay the b**st**ds back using their tactics.

AN ATTACK BY OUTFITS LIKE TTP OR BLA IN Islamabad, Rawalpindi or Lahore killing a HVT like a Major Gen/Lt. Gen would make them shit in their pants. The Punjabi army pigs are very sensitive to attacks in Pak Punjab.

We need to create assets in Porkland who can execute attacks like these. An ambush in Pak Punjab killing a dozen Pork army men would really shake them.
Or at least a big bomb blast in Lahore.
They will try to retaliate but we must manage and prevent it.

Jai Mata Di
Jai Hind

This will take years and Raw will need to spend hell lot of money.
Need of the hour Conduct simultaneous multiple surgical strikes in Sialkot front kill Pak Punjabi army regulars in numbers and release the video of the same so that jahil Pak awam witness IA wrath. Pak worst nightmare is losing Sialkot and make em feel the heat and fear. If Pak escalate then we have upper hand to decimate them in conventional war.
Killing terrorist or Pak army soldiers in Kashmir ( majority are non Punjabis) doesn't pinch them.
Hit where it hurts and that is Punjab region (IB for us - working boundary for them)

 

[piKacHHu]

After heavy loses started usual Lollipop Lagta hai

True Indeed; However, such OSINT handles are doing good job and doesn't let the morale of commoners fall below to the abyss. These Lollipops are in some way useful.
IMO, Options are running out for Army as of now; Blaming political leadership every time is Bull-Shit as the primary excuse of Article 370 & other related political instruments shielding the separatist/OGWs is now vanished thanks to Modi only.
Now, it's a call that AF has to take and post Surgical & Aerial strikes, a very few options are available. It should rise to the occasion and deliver a punitive action to Pak which is beyond the scope of plausible deniability. The kasbas/hamlets who are deemed as terror launch pads should be razed to ground like Grozny through sustained Arty fire or through Aerial strikes. Let it be civilian causalities on the other side; their way of terrorizing the local Kashmiris should be paid back in the same coin so that never in the future, settlements around the LOC on Paki side dare to support jihadis infiltrating inside Kashmir.
Also, this thought of taking back Azad Kashmir through military action should be put on shelve because i) Currently our economy doesn't allow sustained military operations for long; ii) That region is neither resource rich nor its populace is any friendly to Indian occupation; iii) That would put additional burden of insurgency infested region over the existing ones.
This chorus of taking back PoK becomes stronger when Handwara & Pulwama type Incidences takes place. Rather than becoming reactionary to any terror attack & call for full fledged military attack, it's time to think innovative and strategise in a way that could deter these attacks from happening again & again.

 

[Freezer Dam]

T

There is a precedence , although population was very low in comparison and with patchy communication was possible to wrap up the news .. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ra-gandhi-indian-air-force-1470879-2019-03-05

Guys,hold you horses...If it is a suicide attack,then GOI should be worry...Now the attacking pattern are changing, Lone wolf or max 2 will attack...What Pakis are doing,simply releaseing their pressure from Baluchistan...

Can GOI take this to korachi or Rawalpindi,that's time will tell but now casualties may be happened in Kashmir..

GOI can do of total internet shutdown..That's may be delay to their planning (as kashmiri are helping definitely through net)and Army will get time to planning to flash out the terrorist..But guys, tough time coming....

 

[Jaymax61]

True Indeed; However, such OSINT handles are doing good job and doesn't let the morale of commoners fall below to the abyss. These Lollipops are in some way useful.
IMO, Options are running out for Army as of now; Blaming political leadership every time is Bull-Shit as the primary excuse of Article 370 & other related political instruments shielding the separatist/OGWs is now vanished thanks to Modi only.
Now, it's a call that AF has to take and post Surgical & Aerial strikes, a very few options are available. It

Which rock did you come out of?

Army blames the political leadership because without orders the Army cannot even point a gun at Pakistan. Surgical Strikes, Balakot, Artillery Strikes all options existed for years but could be done only when the govt. ordered.

Blame the govt. - they are the ones who are not letting the Army hit Pakistan

 

[Bhadra]

people should educate other people, without depending on politicians.

the “education” should be nuanced and it should be explained in civilian language, I have heard many Indian military experts explain this, but their messaging is directed at Uber nationalistic crowd not regular people.

I haven’t seen any public debate on this matter either, that would be a good start. Let there be a public debate first, points will come out of this automatically.

You mean "Saboot Lao" and "Gali Ka Gunda" type of debate ???
You conduct any debate and our politics will pull it down to their level.
When you do not understand a thing then confuse, create chaos, change the subject, take discussion somewhere else, falsehood, bring it down to personal attacks, outshout the other, muffle the voice of the other,,,etc are age-old, well tested and regular tactics used by Indian politicians and their paid spokesperson.

How can a healthy debate be conducted when someone deliberately calls a Major Generals as Major Sahba such in TV debate......

 

[hit&run]

Totally agree we must stop this charade of what is commonly known as WHAMP (Winning Hearts And Minds of People) in the Valley. However doing what the Pakis are doing in FATA/Waziristan/Balochistan is a non starter where we are concerned. They have the advantage of counter narratives so well woven into the fabric of lies and deceit that they have managed to convince the Pakis themselves and the world that terrorists, the Afghan Army as well as the Indian Army are being hammered by their army which they contend has been blessed by none other than Allah himself! And the sheeple have fallen for this narrative hook, line, and sinker!

We must remember that Pak is run by the army, and for the army. An army that has a state! So there is complete media blackout in areas where they are committing genocide themselves like in Balochistan but no one raises a finger because no independent journalist is allowed to go there. The Pak ISPR trots out their usual fantasies which needless to say are far from the truth. So the world thinks all is hunky dory and that there are no HR violations happening out there.

Tanks, F-16s, artillery and attack choppers have been used there to quell an insurgency by Baloch freedom fighters. But has anyone objected or any HR organization done anything other than a cursory mention? Try that in India and see what happens.

We need to learn a thing or two from these Pakis on how to conduct info warfare and propaganda, spheres in which they are past masters and where we are sadly lacking. Until that happens we will always be at the receiving end.

Sir, I am crippled by not having my laptop and limited by iPad typing so please pardon me if I may not give good attention to all your points.

My brief submission is that you are over stressing on counter narratives here.

It is just small part of the equation.

Having studied 100s of newspaper clippings during lockdown pertaining pre independence to post independence era politics and headlines management and knowing last 10 odd years of international media. They has always shown Hindus as aggressors and villains. Jinnah was their hero so it will Haram Khan this time.

I don’t think there is even a guessing game here and our establishment knows it with utmost clarity.

You know better if there are strategic indications armies don’t care about headlines, to be little obtuse they don’t give F about them.

Since there is good convergence as I pointed out within both the institutions on this little irritant I can safely say that a comprehensive demolition drive and rolling of the tracked cranes must be started before first monsoon rains hit the valley.

 

[Bajirao]

Army needs to do something bigger otherwise enemy morale is just getting higher and higher

 

[XR SAM]

We don't have any strategy in place to counter the Pakistani proxy war.p That's the bitter truth. Pakis know this very well. Yesterday 5 death, today 6. They have unofficially declared war on India. We are not ready to escalate. It seems government have normalised this situation of Kashmir. Nobody gives a damn even our 12 soldiers are martyred in back to back days. Some visible action will be taken if there is huge public outrage after big attacks like Pulwama. But not in other time.
Other thing is it seems repealing Article 370 have not affected the capabilities of terrorists. They can still mount attacks on will at our security forces. And after strong Anti infiltration grid set up by Indian Army, they are sending only special forces SSG trained terrorists. That's why we are seeing high casualties. Yesterday single terrorists killed our 5 men, today also lone terrorist fired at Crpf party and martyred 5. I even doubt these are terrorists...These are SSG Commandos in disguise of terrorists. Pakistan is desperate to mount high casualties on our Jawans.

 

[Gandaberunda]

True Indeed; However, such OSINT handles are doing good job and doesn't let the morale of commoners fall below to the abyss. These Lollipops are in some way useful.
IMO, Options are running out for Army as of now; Blaming political leadership every time is Bull-Shit as the primary excuse of Article 370 & other related political instruments shielding the separatist/OGWs is now vanished thanks to Modi only.
Now, it's a call that AF has to take and post Surgical & Aerial strikes, a very few options are available. It should rise to the occasion and deliver a punitive action to Pak which is beyond the scope of plausible deniability. The kasbas/hamlets who are deemed as terror launch pads should be razed to ground like Grozny through sustained Arty fire or through Aerial strikes. Let it be civilian causalities on the other side; their way of terrorizing the local Kashmiris should be paid back in the same coin so that never in the future, settlements around the LOC on Paki side dare to support jihadis infiltrating inside Kashmir.
Also, this thought of taking back Azad Kashmir through military action should be put on shelve because i) Currently our economy doesn't allow sustained military operations for long; ii) That region is neither resource rich nor its populace is any friendly to Indian occupation; iii) That would put additional burden of insurgency infested region over the existing ones.
This chorus of taking back PoK becomes stronger when Handwara & Pulwama type Incidences takes place. Rather than becoming reactionary to any terror attack & call for full fledged military attack, it's time to think innovative and strategise in a way that could deter these attacks from happening again & again.

You are completely out of order...
1. If our economy doesn't allow to Do anything then Pakistan will doesn't qualify to hold a pistol
2. Conventional war maximum will be for 5-7 days UN and other countries will intervene and starts pressurising before war brokers out.
3. Taking back Azad Kashmir is not for money or any resource benefits it's strategic importance for Army and piece of land (our) and will severely cripple Chinese CPEC and sub continent diplomacy.also Islamabad kahuta nuclear lab are 80km from IB... We will be breathing down their neck
4. All the terr0sist factories run in so called Azad Kashmir and definitely we can wipe them out if we determine to take back our land. Pak Jabi population will definitely flee to main porkland rest sympathisers can be eliminated hook or crook
5. Innovative and strategies? Huh how much ever you innovate porks only strategy is to infiltrate terr0sist through porous LoC. We can't eliminate infiltration completely owing to tough terrain of valley again because of our land occupied by paks (Azad Kashmir) which they're are comfortably exploiting keeping us engaged.
Till LoC or Pak remains infiltration will keep on happening that means our soldiers will be killed.
Only innovation attack Pak Punjab make em pay for it or else take back PoK and finish this LoC saga for once.

 

[Tridev123]

This will take years and Raw will need to spend hell lot of money.
Need of the hour Conduct simultaneous multiple surgical strikes in Sialkot front kill Pak Punjabi army regulars in numbers and release the video of the same so that jahil Pak awam witness IA wrath. Pak worst nightmare is losing Sialkot and make em feel the heat and fear. If Pak escalate then we have upper hand to decimate them in conventional war.
Killing terrorist or Pak army soldiers in Kashmir ( majority are non Punjabis) doesn't pinch them.
Hit where it hurts and that is Punjab region (IB for us - working boundary for them)

The key is Pakistan Punjab. Yes, fully true.
Why don't we emulate the Chinese. They have a policy of grabbing territory slowly a few hundred metres forward at a time.
Whenever a major terrorist attack masterminded by Pakistan happens our army should move the border lines a few tens or hundred metres ahead. Keep on incrementally grabbing Pak held territory in J&K. The Pak army will eventually realise that the costs of their proxy war in J&K are greater than the benefits. If they wish to escalate thrash them in a conventional war.

 

[piKacHHu]

Which rock did you come out of?

Army blames the political leadership because without orders the Army cannot even point a gun at Pakistan. Surgical Strikes, Balakot, Artillery Strikes all options existed for years but could be done only when the govt. ordered.

Blame the govt. - they are the ones who are not letting the Army hit Pakistan

In the current scenario, the political leadership will never deter AF to take punitive actions coz this govt is not run by "AMAN KI AASHA" folks . Time and again Modi or any RM at helm publicly told that Army has given full independence to act or react or no more "Counting of Bullets" while retaliating. What else do you want?
I am not blaming or demeaning AF either; they will do with whatever resources they have to retaliate and avenge the deaths of its personnel. But I don't support the line of thinking in which invasion of PoK & its occupation is the only option for responding this terror attack.
Like it or Not,Waging War without any clear strategic objective will give you more pain than any relief.

 

[hit&run]

OSINT is overrated & hind sight bitching but good nerdy material to kill time.
The money lies in making strategic sense and providing tactical and logistical solutions.

Modi is building a strong chip of invading POK to threaten Pakistan by ignoring local Kashmiri insurgency and fanaticism backed by mainland opposition parties.

Looks like he is micromanaging it.

Being privy to or actually being a captain he obviously knows what he is doing.

On the other hand Pakistan is betting all her money on local resistance and political instabilities and crises in India. One reason could be that they do not trust India’s couterstrike capabilities and expecting Chinese intervention. Therefore they are not taking Modi’s POK invasion doctrines seriously and have gradually increased the terror activity in Kashmir.

If am Modi I will not invest in this POK invasion doctrine but mow down every insurgent and it’s supporter in valley and let Pakistan react.

Modi failed to follow up Balakot strikes which appears to be some operational limitation that airforce trying to iron out.

Like I said the time is running out.

Writ of the Union of India and submission of the pampered Jihadi bravado in valley is the only salvation, period.

 

[Gandaberunda]

The key is Pakistan Punjab. Yes, fully true.
Why don't we emulate the Chinese. They have a policy of grabbing territory slowly a few hundred metres forward at a time.
Whenever a major terrorist attack masterminded by Pakistan happens our army should move the border lines a few tens or hundred metres ahead. Keep on incrementally grabbing Pak held territory in J&K. The Pak army will eventually realise that the costs of their proxy war in J&K are greater than the benefits. If they wish to escalate thrash them in a conventional war.

Whenever hostilities broke out Pak soldiers flee the posts...there are many empty posts of Pak across LoC no point of occupying as it doesn't pave any advantage. Like point 5353 in kargil Pak holds that peak but dominated by 3 sides of Indian posts by 5070 peak n tiger hill across LoC and they vacated the post years back. We need to hold vast areas like siachin glacier or strategic passes like Haji pir (only war can) or Aknoor.
Or else have to look at down south sir creek and Sindh desert areas....
Grabbing land in PoK over mountains inch by inch is tough ask of negligible significance. Sustaining troopers
is difficult