India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[ezsasa]

Fifty kms from the LoC? Where exactly on the map?

8 Pak soldiers killed as Indian Army retaliates against ceasefire violation

'The list of Pakistan Army soldiers killed includes 2-3 Pakistan Army Special Service Group (SSG) commandoes,' Indian Army sources said

www.livemint.com

Ceasefire gives Pak Army a blank check with no direct retaliation from the Indian side.

The odd cross border raid and killing of some local handler does not solve the problem.

Where is the solution?

There is none.

You give them Kashmir today, they will start an insurgency elsewhere tomorrow. Keep the costs disproportionately high for PA.

Yes, it may wear down the trooper at the border but there's a choice - stick around or quit and go home.

There are enough volunteers in the country who are more than willing to go load a 155mm shell and hear it fly screaming across the LoC.

tehjian village mentioned in that news report.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

If only the PMO & NSA stop being such a pussies.

A ceasefire is only good when both sides respect the sanctity of the perceived border. When their claims go beyond the border line, then such behavior calls for immediate punishment.

We are losing more men in COIN ops than in ceasefire violations of late.

If someone says 'look beyond Kashmir at Balochistan or NWFP', those areas have been the grave yard of Pak security forces for decades. Nothing new really.

Believe it or not…engaging with the Porkis overtly will derail our economic growth story. Right now the world is looking at China + 1. We must 100% capitalize on it. So, an overt war is not possible.
There are some things we must do right now:
- figure out how to deter Porkis from crossing the LoC and/or taking shelter in J&K forests.
- tighten up the SOPs.
- cause disproportionate damage in mainland Porkistan covertly. Start recruiting a number of PoK locals for human intelligence and eliminate Porki terrorists by the dozen.
- put economic sanctions on Porkland. Companies doing business in Pakshitstan will not be allowed to do business in India.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

If we will escalate than China will escalate on Northern Border..Any our Dhothi wearing netas and Indian invincible Genrols knows it very well..So everyone is in chalta hai attitude kon headache lega...jo chalta hai voh chalne do....

Fact we are screwed...

 

[Master Chief]

On twitter... there is one veteran lt col RK (@VTepis3)... he has served in Kashmir during 90s & early 2000s... as said by him on a space session 2 days ago... what is now happening is that Pakis with the backing of China are now trying to internationally "legitimize" the militancy as home grown freedom movement & things are fast tilting in their favour... the renaming of LeT & JeM as TRF & PAFF is part of that legitimizing agenda... & lack of will in Indian state is helping them... for how long will the world believe your complaint that Pakis are behind this? Their is a expiry date... & beyond that expiry date they will ask you what have you done? & then that legitimacy will take birth.

It really doesn't matter whether it's LET, JEM, PAFF or TRF, other countries know the truth that these are Pakistani trained guys..
They just act and fake their belief as to whatever is convenient for them, at the time.. Pakistani is out of FATF Grey list, irrespective of terror attacks against India.. The only criteria that matters is what Pakistan can do in return for the US..

 

[another_armchair]

tehjian village mentioned in that news report.
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But Tehjian is 24 kms from Kupwara and there are spots along the LoC where it should be less than 20 km.

 

[mokoman]

1 soldier still missing according to article .

looks like galactic scale fuck up happened.

Soldier missing in counterterror operation underway in J&K’s Anantnag

A manhunt is currently on for the group the terrorists responsible for the ambush-style killings of the three men, the officials said

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Two officers injured and 1 jawan missing. Steelcore bullets are reaaly good..Hope our Kind Hearted GeNROLLS understands...

 

[ezsasa]

But Tehjian is 24 kms from Kupwara and there are spots along the LoC where it should be less than 20 km.

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sure. the reason i remember this sequence of events is because my recollection is that this period coincides with rumours of heavy artillery being moved to front lines(it will be there in previous LoC thread). and a few months later that joint statement on ceasefire came.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

If we will escalate than China will escalate on Northern Border..Any our Dhothi wearing netas and Indian invincible Genrols knows it very well..So everyone is in chalta hai attitude kon headache lega...jo chalta hai voh chalne do....

Fact we are screwed...

China will not get into the Porki war theater. It does not suit them at this time when their Economy is weaker. They will rebuild first. Despite what they say about Porkis, from an economic angle, india is an attractive market for Chinese companies. Since money is the true religion in CCP land, they will not damage that.

 

[another_armchair]

Believe it or not…engaging with the Porkis overtly will derail our economic growth story. Right now the world is looking at China + 1. We must 100% capitalize on it. So, an overt war is not possible.
There are some things we must do right now:
- figure out how to deter Porkis from crossing the LoC and/or taking shelter in J&K forests.
- tighten up the SOPs.
- cause disproportionate damage in mainland Porkistan covertly. Start recruiting a number of PoK locals for human intelligence and eliminate Porki terrorists by the dozen.
- put economic sanctions on Porkland. Companies doing business in Pakshitstan will not be allowed to do business in India.

If you remember, we clocked a higher growth rate before GST and a general slow down that followed

There was no ceasefire then.

To link cease fire with economic prosperity is like drugging ourselves into a self induced state of zen.

Both can run in parallel. Have successfully run in parallel in the past with 2019-2020 being the best period where we butt fucked the pakis till they bled and cried 'bas .. bade bhaiyya'.

- cause disproportionate damage in mainland Porkistan covertly. Start recruiting a number of PoK locals for human intelligence and eliminate Porki terrorists by the dozen.

^ is already happening but it is not imposing a cost on PA. PA has literally crushed all dissent and invalidated Khan & his jamait with brute force.

A brute only understands when pinned down by a more powerful brute.

Am not saying we go headlong into war with Pakistan. All I am saying is add a cost on Pak Army who are behind this. I was all for covert ops but that hasn't deterred the jahil across the border from entering our territory and killing innocents here who just want to go about their lives.

Just check how many 'officers' IA has lost in the last 9 years since we had a Govt. that is supposedly tough on terror. Off the cuff, I can clearly remember at least 5 officers rank of Lt. Col/Col. Two or wait three CO's to terror incidents?

How many did Pak lose in retaliation?

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[SUPERPOWER]

This is what happens when dont induct Gunships...Prachand is ready but Indian Genrols think they will fly with jet packs and fart on terrorists.....

 

[TopWatcher]

Why army is in hurry ? Is something we dont know ? May be high no. of pakis terrorist. This time seems army plan backfire.

 

[Azaad]

you do realise that you are wishing for hundreds of tangos infiltrating, gun totting jihadis roaming freely in the streets, 5-6 encounters happening simultaneously under each C.O any given day.

What he & most members here high on emotions don't realise is an escalation on our part will be manna from heaven to the PA at this point in time when they're trying their desperate best to avoid an all out confrontation with the TTP & perhaps their brother in arms the TTA or Taliban in Afghanistan .

The last thing we need is to launch some high profile attacks on Pakistan in a big way like a surgical strike for an incident like what happened in Kokernag to prevent the ISPR turning this into some huge propaganda campaign uniting the country & diverting attention from the TTP attacks.

This doesn't take away from the fact that IA needs to go back to the drawing board to relook their SOPs in the light of repeated ambushes & the rather high profile toll it's taken on them this year .

 

[FalconSlayers]

Another paki dog wiped out

https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1702386652201566532?s=20

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Another paki dog wiped out

https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1702386652201566532?s=20

Jab Tak Paki Fauji Indian Army Ki Goli se nhi marenge tab Tak Shanti nhi milegi

 

[FalconSlayers]

Two suspected individuals have been apprehended and two pistols, five hand grenades & other war-like stores were recovered from them in Uri, Baramulla. Investigation in progress: Indian Army

 

[another_armchair]

What he & most members here high on emotions don't realise is an escalation on our part will be manna from heaven to the PA at this point in time when they're trying their desperate best to avoid an all out confrontation with the TTP & perhaps their brother in arms the TTA or Taliban in Afghanistan .

The last thing we need is to launch some high profile attacks on Pakistan in a big way like a surgical strike for an incident like what happened in Kokernag to prevent the ISPR turning this into some huge propaganda campaign uniting the country & diverting attention from the TTP attacks.

This doesn't take away from the fact that IA needs to go back to the drawing board to relook their SOPs in the light of repeated ambushes & the rather high profile toll it's taken on them this year .

We keep hoping Pakistan will fold up.. I remember the period between 2006-2010 when TTP and other Pashtun tribes made life a veritable nightmare for FC and PA. One incident when an entire FC battalion surrendered with weapons to TTP or some affiliate.

Folks here waited with bated breath hoping Pak awam will topple the military and khan chacha will be back in power. Afsos.

Pakistan has many abbujaans who badly need it as a hedge against India getting too big for its boots. Pakistan will not be allowed to become a failed state by these same people. They may at best neuter their munna to be less hostile towards India over a said period if it suits them.

We should stop being so delusional that a terror state that has been propped up against us and held straight for decades can fold up at our beck and call.

 

[FalconSlayers]

More Carl Gustavs and Impact Grenades being fired









Looks like a paki dog got killed in this IED attack.

 

[ezsasa]

What he & most members here high on emotions don't realise is an escalation on our part will be manna from heaven to the PA at this point in time when they're trying their desperate best to avoid an all out confrontation with the TTP & perhaps their brother in arms the TTA or Taliban in Afghanistan .

The last thing we need is to launch some high profile attacks on Pakistan in a big way like a surgical strike for an incident like what happened in Kokernag to prevent the ISPR turning this into some huge propaganda campaign uniting the country & diverting attention from the TTP attacks.

This doesn't take away from the fact that IA needs to go back to the drawing board to relook their SOPs in the light of repeated ambushes & the rather high profile toll it's taken on them this year .

everytime some security related incident happens, versions of this conversation have happened so many times ever since DFI was created,

there is a difference between emotive and compulsive. emotions we can understand and give some space to get a grip on themselves. but for every incident, if someone is going thru the same cycle and bashing the same XYZ institutions, then it is more likely to be a compulsion for reasons best known to those individual members.

this problem statement of Kashmir issue itself is a complex one. the more the complexity factor is taken into account, more improbable the solution will seem.

-for some one, who is looking at this with a tactical view, solution will look one way.
-for some one, who is looking at this with a tactical + strategic view, solution will look one way.
-for some one, who is looking at this with a tactical + strategic + economic view, solution will look one way.
-for some one, who is looking at this with a tactical + strategic + economic + geopolitical view, solution will look one way.
-for some one, who is looking at this with a tactical + strategic + economic + geopolitical + civilisational view, solution will look one way.

more one factors in the elements of complexity, more it will look like a stalemate.

I say, leave it to the professionals who have the responsibility to deal with this national security domain, they know best.