India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Tactical Doge]

Publishing this news means to show china about Indo US cooperation by promoting US weapons India is trying to show that India and US are allowed when it's comes to Chinese aggression.
Since Chinese were boasting about their weapons near lac few days before. Indian Army also boasted about their weaponry near lac

Lower calibre weapons, SMGs in particular, are issued to 1-2 men in a section, those men are equipped and operate with heavy weapons, probably in this case a Carl Gustav

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Publishing this news means to show china about Indo US cooperation by promoting US weapons India is trying to show that India and US are allowed when it's comes to Chinese aggression.
Since Chinese were boasting about their weapons near lac few days before. Indian Army also boasted about their weaponry near lac

MP-9 is a Swiss weapon

 

[Lost user]

Name change only

It's headed by this guy..

 

[fire starter]

hmmm….some of the things he says seems correct…
I
1. for example our military power - Army and Air Force is not as much as it should be. We still believe in a manpower-sacrificing war fight. We don’t believe in building our military power to a point where Porkis don’t even think of messing with us. This is a given. Be it pushing terrorists across the border or actually daring to retaliate on Feb 27 (even if for show - sawhney is lying when he says they crossed the LoC. they did not.), we are unable to create a deterrence. After the Feb 26 attack, the Porkis should have been pissing in their pants. They shouldn’t have (even for scoring PR points) been allowed the Feb 27 charade. The same thing goes for surgical strikes - that did not deter them. They did Pulwama right after that.
2. We have been way too quiet on paki acquisition of nukes and missiles. Neither did we try to actively curtail their program or develop hacking capabilities or some other mechanism that makes their nukes ineffective. At the end of the day, the Porkis do have nukes and that does give them a fall back option should everything collapse over there. Have we thought of how exactly to enforce deterrence in this scenario? Look at how Israel is giving Iran a real tough time in acquiring nukes. Have we done anything like that?
3. We seem to be betting on the long game - grow our economy (and hence our military power) to a point where they won’t mess with us. But the point remains that deterrence must be enforced today. How is that Porkis are messing with a SSBN power? No nation in the world has ever messed with an SSBN power. India is the only country with an SSBN platform that gets messed with by the Porkis, openly. On top of that we are an aircraft carrier and missile power as well. If we are unwilling to project power for deterrence, what are these expensive toys for?
4. Inability to project power has serious consequences for us. We will not get a seat at the UNSC. We will only be a nominal player in international grouping. Paki Terrorists will brazenly attack us. Chinese will continue to mess alongside the borders. Overall, the world will think that we are incapable of providing net security to smaller nations. Even business people may think that we have a weak government unable to enforce security.
5. While Pravin Sawhney is an A grade liar, there are some points he makes that are relevant - establishing deterrence via building an overwhelming military power should be what the armed forces should be working toward. And we are still not. We should have salami sliced into PoK and GB and grabbed territory every time there’s been an attack, and increased the holding costs immensely. Why the heck we don’t do such things is beyond me? Sometimes I wonder if legacy issues such as a Sikh/Punjabi dominated army comes in the way of exercising overwhelming firepower in the Porkis. Maybe the Indian Punjabi generals think of the Pakistani Punjabi generals as not deserving of such overwhelming response due to cultural affinities? Whatever it is, IA and IAF must figure out ways to deter the Porkis once and for all.

Porki nuclear bluff has been already called out and frankly we have got many opportunities to finish this menace forever but everytime international pressure saved porkis. I would say it's a suicidal instinct to mess with nuclear powered country who is more powerful and bigger in size porkis know this very well but the assurance that they will be saved by international community has made them dogs tail.

 

[Lost user]

hmmm….some of the things he says seems correct…
I
1. for example our military power - Army and Air Force is not as much as it should be. We still believe in a manpower-sacrificing war fight. We don’t believe in building our military power to a point where Porkis don’t even think of messing with us. This is a given. Be it pushing terrorists across the border or actually daring to retaliate on Feb 27 (even if for show - sawhney is lying when he says they crossed the LoC. they did not.), we are unable to create a deterrence. After the Feb 26 attack, the Porkis should have been pissing in their pants. They shouldn’t have (even for scoring PR points) been allowed the Feb 27 charade. The same thing goes for surgical strikes - that did not deter them. They did Pulwama right after that.
2. We have been way too quiet on paki acquisition of nukes and missiles. Neither did we try to actively curtail their program or develop hacking capabilities or some other mechanism that makes their nukes ineffective. At the end of the day, the Porkis do have nukes and that does give them a fall back option should everything collapse over there. Have we thought of how exactly to enforce deterrence in this scenario? Look at how Israel is giving Iran a real tough time in acquiring nukes. Have we done anything like that?
3. We seem to be betting on the long game - grow our economy (and hence our military power) to a point where they won’t mess with us. But the point remains that deterrence must be enforced today. How is that Porkis are messing with a SSBN power? No nation in the world has ever messed with an SSBN power. India is the only country with an SSBN platform that gets messed with by the Porkis, openly. On top of that we are an aircraft carrier and missile power as well. If we are unwilling to project power for deterrence, what are these expensive toys for?
4. Inability to project power has serious consequences for us. We will not get a seat at the UNSC. We will only be a nominal player in international grouping. Paki Terrorists will brazenly attack us. Chinese will continue to mess alongside the borders. Overall, the world will think that we are incapable of providing net security to smaller nations. Even business people may think that we have a weak government unable to enforce security.
5. While Pravin Sawhney is an A grade liar, there are some points he makes that are relevant - establishing deterrence via building an overwhelming military power should be what the armed forces should be working toward. And we are still not. We should have salami sliced into PoK and GB and grabbed territory every time there’s been an attack, and increased the holding costs immensely. Why the heck we don’t do such things is beyond me? Sometimes I wonder if legacy issues such as a Sikh/Punjabi dominated army comes in the way of exercising overwhelming firepower in the Porkis. Maybe the Indian Punjabi generals think of the Pakistani Punjabi generals as not deserving of such overwhelming response due to cultural affinities? Whatever it is, IA and IAF must figure out ways to deter the Porkis once and for all.

Sawhney tends to apply maximalist definitions when talking about Indian conventional power, where in any act of defiance by Pakistan.. like Pulwama or Operation Swift retort, is seen as a failure of Indian conventional deterrence by Sawhnstein.
Why doesn't he then, apply the same logic to his masters' the Chicoms.. According to Sawhney China is a military power, unparalleled in its capabilities, and is almost an equal of America.. So, how then, did India dare to mount an Operation like Snow Leopard and occupy Kailash range towards the end of August 2020.. Does that mean that Chinese conventional deterrence against India no longer works..?
This man is a Charlatan and a salesman..

 

[OnePunchMan]

No wonder why China is investing in Pakistani Seas.. but the center to everything is CPEC (regardless of Claimed success or failure by us) and Pakistan is their key ally to counter India, do you think they'll watch and give away their only direct access to Pakisatan to the Indians ??!!!!

Seriously.... they have a existing corridor (almost done) that can transport Afghan's Minerals.. that's their port in Pakistan, why they need Iranian port ???? there's no doubt They're in Afghanistan for Minerals.. but to say they need Afghanistan in order to get Iranians port access if Absurd, given the Iranians currently standing against the talibans' funding and training Shia's in Southern Afghanistan.

What has US invested in Pakistan????? Don't teach me about cold war era stuff... Post-Cold war Important of Pakistan Demised... only after 9/11 Pakistan was important to the American due to Afganistan, and pakistan Utilized it very Well. and their future is with China and they're using them well as well...

listen porkie let me break it down to you, china is not coming to save you when we will destroy your country and split it into pieces same way you porkie pigs were waiting for your american abbu to save your country being split into two your new chinese abbu will abandon you the same way because nobody will risk their own to save your filthy kind.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Sawhney tends to apply maximalist definitions when talking about Indian conventional power, where in any act of defiance by Pakistan.. like Pulwama or Operation Swift retort, is seen as a failure of Indian conventional deterrence by Sawhnstein.
Why doesn't he then, apply the same logic to his masters' the Chicoms.. According to Sawhney China is a military power, unparalleled in its capabilities, and is almost an equal of America.. So, how then, did India dare to mount an Operation like Snow Leopard and occupy Kailash range towards the end of August 2020.. Does that mean that Chinese conventional deterrence against India no longer works..?
This man is a Charlatan and a salesman..

I already mentioned this fool sawhney is an A grade liar. He lies a lot. But his questions related to us enforcing a conventional deterrence where Porkis think a 100 times before engaging in misadventure against India needs to be deliberated as they are relevant. Like I said we have not even passed a law declaring Porkis as an enemy state and barring companies, tourism etc. I am also thinking there is certainly the Indian Punjab factor. Kartarpur was something we had to agree to despite the security threats and terrorist infiltration possibilities from it. There is pressure from the Indian punjabis to be not so tough on Porkis. There is all this RanjitSingh-Lahore-etc going on. I mean when people like Sidhu embrace an enemy Army’s general, what do you think that enemy Army’s thinking will be? That India will never fully punish porkshitstan due to internal pressures.
‘By formally through a law declaring Porkistan as an enemy state, we would instantly tell all Indians that it is official that that jaahil quam is an enemy state and anyone doing things contrary to that will face punishment. Can we pass such a law? Why not? There is something holding us back. Why?

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

listen porkie let me break it down to you, china is not coming to save you when we will destroy your country and split it into pieces same way you porkie pigs were waiting for your american abbu to save your country being split into two your new chinese abbu will abandon you the same way because nobody will risk their own to save your filthy kind.

He is a christian from kerala , bhagwan ke liye, refrian from dishiing out porki insults to just everyone.

 

[OnePunchMan]

He is a christian from kerala , bhagwan ke liye, refrian from dishiing out porki insults to just everyone.

I don't care what religion he belongs to , if he talks like a porkie he will get called a porkie , and he is talking that same nonsense logic that porkies talk , that porkieland is too dangerous to fail and invisible warriors will come to save it also that same delusion that india won't use nukes if porkies use tactical nukes.

Indian policy is clear if nukes are used against our forces we will use massive retaliatory strikes to nuke porkie homeland to kingdom come it is the same delusion these goatfuckers had when they came into kargil that somehow we will just give up after suffering few losses and since they had the height advantage because that's what they do.

Many people here are unaware that indian nuclear policy has changed viz a viz porkieland that india will use nukes first in case of imminent nuke use by porkieland they are under some delusion that we wont't use nukes and will take it lying down.

the whole purpose of ABM shield is to minimize our own damage and to dominate the escalation chain.

personally speaking if we do get hit with a nuke or two which is quite possible and a cost we might have to pay to eliminate porkieland forever because freedom doesn't come cheap i wouldn't mind getting kerala nuked it might help get us rid of future trouble , literally two birds with one stone.

before anyone gets all emotional just think about it from a cold non emotional strategic standpoint , would it not benefit us if say a porkie nuke lands in say Mullappuram Sorry i mean Malappuram

we would get the mandate to then do a massive retaliatory nuke strike against porkieland and get rid of future pakistan ie kerala.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I don't care what religion he belongs to , if he talks like a porkie he will get called a porkie , and he is talking that same nonsense logic that prokies talk , that porkieland is too dangerous to fail and invisible warriors will come to save it also that same delusion that india won't use nukes if porkies use tactical nukes.

Indian policy is clear if nukes are used against our forces we will use massive retaliatory strikes to nuke porkie homeland to kingdom come it is the same delusion these goatfuckers had when they came into kargil that somehow we will just give up after suffering few losses and since they had the height advantage because that's what they do.

Many people here are unaware that indian nuclear policy has changed viz a viz porkieland that india will use nukes first in case or imminent nuke use by porkieland they are under some delusion that we wont't use nukes and will take it lying down.

the whole purpose of ABM shield is to minimize our own damage and to dominate the escalation chain.

Do you know anything about tactical nukes , india has?

 

[OnePunchMan]

Do you know anything about tactical nukes , india has?

Dude i can only tell what is available to public , even if i knew something remotely close to it , i wouldn't discuss it ever let alone on a open forum.

having said that tactical nukes aren't all that effective US and Soviets built them and found them pretty much useless and scrapped them soon after.

Nukes and especially tactical nukes are overrated they wouldn't do more damage to a armoured column that a well executed air strikes with cluster munitions couldn't do, the thing that makes nukes dangerous is the aftermath of radiation fallout the blast isn't that big , also armoured columns these days are highly mobile and distributed.

Not saying they aren't deadly but for what they are bringing to the table they cross a lot of redline and invite a lot of trouble(like a rogue military officer launching them without second thought) also the radiation fallout affects your own soldier too it doesn't differentiate between enemy soldier or friendly soldier.

also Indian armoured columns are fully prepared for such eventuality and have NBC and CBRN protections in place.

apart from that does india have only 100 nukes considering we have multiple SSBN with nuke tipped SLBM and land based ICBM with MIRV and where does all the domestic uranium production goes is anyones guess

 

[FalconSlayers]

In Pakistan occupied Kashmir with Masood Azhar

In Indian Kashmir

WON’T SHARE PIC OF HIS DEAD BODY AFTER HE WAS SLAUGHTERED BY INDIAN ARMY, ELSE HIS 72 HOORS WILL GET SCARED...!!!

 

[FalconSlayers]

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[Marliii]

 

[Spitfire9]

...punish and shame the traitors within the * community and bring in apostasy law.

* substitute the appropriate word here eg hindu, muslim etc

 

[JBH22]

Wow we have such traitor living inside and our army chief is still giving interview to him. He should be Blacklisted.

I do not disagree with his analysis with regards to air force, years of neglect and inability to modernise the airforce has indeed not created a situation where our adversary thought twice before retaliation

 

[fire starter]

I do not disagree with his analysis with regards to air force, years of neglect and inability to modernise the airforce has indeed not created a situation where our adversary thought twice before retaliation

What do u think where all the money during UPA era went.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[JBH22]

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Bhaiya these are not terrorist as per Pakistani just like their peaceful cult these are future Nobel prize nominees.