India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Hari Sud]

Just theorizing that war between India and Pakistan will not happen the usual way of going forward and shooting at each other and later occupying territory, as the technology has made soldiers firing at each other from 50 to 400 yards a bit useless. The front as we knew it since the good old days has become invisible with advent of short range MRLS rockets and long range precision strike weapons like Brahmos doing the job from behind the front lines. The former will destroy the enemy at 50 to 90km and latter will destroy it anywhere from 300 to 600Km. In the gap between 80 to 300km a much more powerful Prahaar and other short range missile will take over. Hence a soldiers will more likely, press the missile and rocket buttons than pressing the trigger.

In 6 months of soldier to soldier fight in Ukraine, not much was achieved. A lot more has been achieved in last one month when American HIMARS missiles and Russian Loitering bombs and precision missiles struck each other. About 40% of Ukraine is in the dark with power and energy infrastructure destroyed. A lot more to come as the war progresses In the winter. In return quite a bit of Russian infrastructure near the Ukrainian border is destroyed by HIMARS.

The forgoing will become newer war fighting method as the missile, rocket technology, flying bombs etc. progresses. These newer lesson of the war fighting could not evolve out of defence academies or war rooms or exercises. These evolves when actual shooting starts. ……

Just a thought coming to my mind as I see war progressing in Ukraine.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Absolutely nothing, really.

China wants us to get engaged with Pakistan so that they can fulfill their dreams of Taiwan and Ladakh.

At max, I mean like if a 26/11 level terror strike happens, we will see some more air skirmishes (and hopefully fewer Abhinandans), and standoff strikes. But unfortunately, Pakistan has been more proactive than us in building up their air force than us, so things might be even worse than in Feb 2019.

We have achieved a lot post 2014ad. We just screw pakis that has to be our own dime.

Since the inbred pak will remain cheapest condom for hire for the amreekunts and as well the chinese.

 

[mokoman]

We will fire 3 Brahmos, in reply Packis will fire 6 of which half will miss or get shot down. We will then claim victory and that our objectives have been been met and go back to piss and tranquility mode.

if u can establish a cost , 1 pulwama == 1 brahmos , then they will think twice.

very very last thing the pakistanis want is major escalation or war .

only reason they are killing migrants , kashmiri police people at their homes is because they know we wont react directly. they realised this is the threshold - i doubt they will push above that .

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Time to revoke this fraud treaty anyways.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Also indian army is reorganizing these exercises are validating new concepts..lets see what happens

The war is not limited to the borders. Now the vermin amreekunts funding this shiet.

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Time to revoke this fraud treaty anyways.

Whats stopping this government from ignoring this? They have 0 jurisdiction over us building dams in Kashmir. Get the PSUs to fund the construction costs

 

[The Shrike]

if u can establish a cost , 1 pulwama == 1 brahmos , then they will think twice.

very very last thing the pakistanis want is major escalation or war .

only reason they are killing migrants , kashmiri police people at their homes is because they know we wont react directly. they realised this is the threshold - i doubt they will push above that .

Quite the opposite IMO, with "swift retort" the pakis have established that they will respond conventionally if we use conventional forces, even if it is against (un uniformed) terrorists. And we didn't respond to it because we didn't want an escalation.

BTW they have been routinely finding large IED for example in the last couple of years too. A high body count attack hasn't happened not because they have stopped trying but because they haven't been successful. It will happen it's just a matter of time.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Whats stopping this government from ignoring this? They have 0 jurisdiction over us building dams in Kashmir. Get the PSUs to fund the construction costs

The vermin Hinduphobic amreekunts brits and the europeans are incapable of seeing any nation developing and carving their space as equals. The sooner GoI realizes and acknowledges this the better. Though there has been significant improvement in Mea psyche post 2014ad but it's time image conscious Modi stop seeking approvals from outsiders completely in all totality.

 

[mokoman]

Quite the opposite IMO, with "swift retort" the pakis have established that they will respond conventionally if we use conventional forces, even if it is against (un uniformed) terrorists. And we didn't respond to it because we didn't want an escalation.

BTW they have been routinely finding large IED for example in the last couple of years too. A high body count attack hasn't happened not because they have stopped trying but because they haven't been successful. It will happen it's just a matter of time.

i disagree , but if its true - that they will escalate while we bend knee & deescalate , then might as well disband the military .

 

[Tiwariji]

Whats stopping this government from ignoring this? They have 0 jurisdiction over us building dams in Kashmir. Get the PSUs to fund the construction costs

The deal was signed in mediation with world bank . Our leaders thought if water worry of pakistan gets solved , their india and kashmir obsession ll end or probably they were trying to be good neighbours or something . It got signed in 1960 and 5 year later pakistan lunched military campaign .

 

[mist_consecutive]

 

[thebakofbakchod]

We need a mass amount of guided long range pinakas deployed that will allow us to barrage porki positions. Our current pinakas are simply not long enough and worst of all, most of them seem to be the older original versions. Pinaka Mk II have been delayed for too long

 

[dfcool]

US just gave 1.5 billion dollars to pak.

Ofcourse US spy satellites will inform pak about development along LOC.

do this every month to drain pak forex reserves. modern problem requires modern solutions.

 

[mist_consecutive]

This is more relevant to this thread.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Give me a reason why shouldn't I believe this tweet. Their Rapid acquisition of all kinds of equipment makes me believe this claim as well.

IAF will be in deep trouble later this decade... with the kind of attitude prevalent in political leadership.

 

[Bharatiya]

Time to revoke this fraud treaty anyways.

World Bank isn't in a position to dictate us. We can do whatever the fuck we want. Of course, we should 'start' the talks while continuing our construction. Once the dams are done and water is stored, what can World Bank do? Come and abolish? Lmao.

West wouldn't escalate for something like this—not directly anyway. I'm hopeful the govt will go ahead with the project.

 

[another_armchair]

World Bank isn't in a position to dictate us. We can do whatever the fuck we want. Of course, we should 'start' the talks while continuing our construction. Once the dams are done and water is stored, what can World Bank do? Come and abolish? Lmao.

West wouldn't escalate for something like this—not directly anyway. I'm hopeful the govt will go ahead with the project.

Should only have video conferences with these jokers and keep them waiting in perpetuity.

Leak the credentials to some script kiddies who login and start abusing the Pakis and their WB simps.

Will keep jingos amused.

 

[Bharatiya]

Quite the opposite IMO, with "swift retort" the pakis have established that they will respond conventionally if we use conventional forces, even if it is against (un uniformed) terrorists. And we didn't respond to it because we didn't want an escalation.

BTW they have been routinely finding large IED for example in the last couple of years too. A high body count attack hasn't happened not because they have stopped trying but because they haven't been successful. It will happen it's just a matter of time.

I see two possibilities. Which is closer to reality?

1. They can't win a war against us. If we can swiftly occupy strategic areas of POK, then it's a win. Since it's not Paki mainland, they won't use nukes. Paki generals have too much to lose in the west by using the forbidden bomb.

So, our army is chickening out because a war won't solve the problems. Pakistan would still remain and next time we have a problem with China, it'll definitely take revenge and will go overboard than normal.

2. Paki can't win war, but US/China won't let it lose. Besides, the army will unify the country against the ongoing societal and financial collapse. It's a win for them.

Pakistan is betting or has already been assured by China that it'd intervene. The armies of these two countries are pretty connected at the borders of J&K region.

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Rather than war, I'd say we should play poison with greater poison. Why is it that we always worry about infiltrations from Pakistan to India? And not vice versa?

We should ramp up our assymetric warfare.

If you think India is in a bad position due to Paki and 0.5 against China threat, Paki has it worse.

They have Taliban, TTP & BLA. But the biggest of all, they have a vastly uneducated, unemployed and islamized poor youth who don't have anything going on with their lives. Pushing them to streets is easy. Just keep burning the Asmani Kitabs every week and the whole country will go in a turmoil.

Islamization of Pak is not just a strength that lets them send terrorists, it's an utter weakness we can exploit. In a country like Paki, there will always be self-loathing people who hate their own country—they're the launchpad.

In fact, we should take a leaf from US. Instead of fearing of getting bogged down by Paki, we should bogg down Paki first. Be it Taliban, TTP or BLA. Even better, do what US is trying to do to us currently, but in Paki's context.

Don't fear Paki nukes. Imo, it's an overblown fear by establishment to survive. If Paki does implode, the top brass can be forced to hand over nukes in exchange for a safe life in the west with all their $$$ secure. It'd be in their best interests since if any nuke is leaked and blows up one day, they'd be held responsible.

Build up narratives that India's rise is inevitable and Pakistan's future is doomed. Destroy any hope of that country. This will enable us to buy up in the corrupt military. The goal is to have a Gorbecheiv. It can be done. We just have to be ready to be bleed some $$$. But this will be a one time payment. Even if we end up paying $100B to buy them all, it's a huge win for us.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Quite the opposite IMO, with "swift retort" the pakis have established that they will respond conventionally if we use conventional forces, even if it is against (un uniformed) terrorists. And we didn't respond to it because we didn't want an escalation.

Bold, is the biggest issue. We chickened out during this crucial moment.

BTW they have been routinely finding large IED for example in the last couple of years too. A high body count attack hasn't happened not because they have stopped trying but because they haven't been successful. It will happen it's just a matter of time.

They have definitely stopped putting much effort. For example, the amount of contraband being smuggled by drones in Punjab and J&K, they can attack softer targets (like Temples, Railway stations, airports, etc.) than military stations. The reason is simple, they know retaliation will be back-breaking to them.

This is clear with CFVs, previously infiltrations were more successful because PA would give cover fire for infiltrating terrorists. Now terrorists are completely at mercy of alert sentries just waiting for the jihadis to come at their cross-hairs.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

3 missiles serve no purpose. 100 missiles should rain on GHQ, Pak army installations, airbases, destroy their radar and communication equipment, fuel and ammo dumps. They should not get an opportunity to hide anything.

I expect something from Pakistan before 2024 elections

remember,pak soldiers and jihadis are cheap,killing jihadis however has the effect of demoralizing them.but the real effect will come when their precious equipment and infra is destroyed.those are not cheap and easy to replace.force them to waste and procure them beyond their capabilities