India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

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Give me a reason why shouldn't I believe this tweet. Their Rapid acquisition of all kinds of equipment makes me believe this claim as well.

IAF will be in deep trouble later this decade... with the kind of attitude prevalent in political leadership.

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IAF chiefs and even higher up officials in MOD would definitely be charged severely in serious coutnries. The mess they made of the IAF is beyond insanity. The worst part is the current jokers still wont let go of their import fantasies instead of just ordering more Rafales and doubling down on the Tejas mk2 and reigning in the clowns in ADA from making another lengthy delay saga.
 

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Quite the opposite IMO, with "swift retort" the pakis have established that they will respond conventionally if we use conventional forces, even if it is against (un uniformed) terrorists. And we didn't respond to it because we didn't want an escalation.
i disagree , but if its true - that they will escalate while we bend knee & deescalate , then might as well disband the military .
Swift retort wasn't an escalation and we didn't respond since it wasn't actually an escalation.

Swift Retort essentially was a knock of a fighter squadron on border (and end up getting chased away by MiG-21) as a "face saver" in front of their population against deep in their country Balakot airstrike. Their only aim was to claim that they shot down an Indian plane without proof and convince their populace that Pak military is also upto something.

Abhinandan ruined entire small scale drama into escalation, by chasing them, shooting an F-16 and getting captured.
India immediately went aggressive for Abhinandan and pushed for escalation, threatened to fire missiles and destroy GHQ and start a full scale war, Pak immediately stepped back and started calling on "world powers" (US, UK and China) to "play their role" in reestablishing "peace" (bachao).

They immediately and unconditionally released Abhinandan for the reason.

Face savers, i.e. doing smaller scale things to declare Pakistan as India's equivalent is a usual practice of Pakistani establishment. Things just went out of their hands in 2019.


Edit: They released another face saver; "we told India that we would fire 3x missiles on them" after episode to soothe their population.

The gap between strategic capabilities of India and Pak has only grown larger and larger in past 40 years.
Pak's current "upgrades" include what has been rejected in India being called "substandard" or "underperforming" in 1990s.

Pak is not a direct military threat at least but definitely a station to divert India's attention. They will at least take a decade more so that economic gap between India and Pakistan can be large enough for India to treat Pakistan like Nepal and Sri Lanka.
IAF chiefs and even higher up officials in MOD would definitely be charged severely in serious coutnries. The mess they made of the IAF is beyond insanity. The worst part is the current jokers still wont let go of their import fantasies instead of just ordering more Rafales and doubling down on the Tejas mk2 and reigning in the clowns in ADA from making another lengthy delay saga.
As told before,
Pak's current "upgrades" include what has been rejected in India being called "substandard" or "underperforming" in 1990s.

The current 70 Odd F-16 and JF-17 what form their fleet of frontline fighters aren't even in medium category, leave alone heavy. So they don't have something for an air superiority role vis a vis India.

Yes, we indeed will have problem with attacks which is only going to be our role. Because in case of an India pak war, the onus will be on India to cross border as Pak can't get past Indian border at least. Conclusive action includes destroying enemy's air power and blocking its naval supplies to end aids to ground militaries before starting to wipe them off. That's why stupidest leaders from Pak since 1971 have avoided escalations enough to make India cross borders.

While comparing India and Pak build up, you also should be taking into account the goals and roles. India aspires to be a true great power with all homegrown advanced weaponry including TEDBF/AMCA/Astra 3/Indigenous MTA which would take time. Since a demoralized Pak convinced of it being smaller, won't move towards a full escalation with India, every passing is best peacetime day for India to focus on internal military industrial complex to close gap with US, Russia and China even if it costs a declining fleet for one more decade.

India has gradually made progress in space and aircraft industry since beginning of 21st century and it's only since late 2010s that we have seen significant results and are here coping and hoping about an entire independent industry producing TEDBF like fighters to substitute Rafael etc.. If India shifts focus on just greatly outnumbering Pak, it will be badly dwarfed by US and China in 2040s and 50s. We weren't even 10% of what we were in 1990s.

Once Tejas MWF enters production, it will become a primary workhorse being a midlight fighter like F-16 for every role till more things arrive. It will be transition of a permanent confidence into India as military aircraft producer like it became with PSLV in space after decades of struggle.

Pak threat was overblown to divert attention from actual threats and planning. We have got warned enough times by competent leaders.
 
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Swift retort wasn't an escalation and we didn't respond since it wasn't actually an escalation.

Swift Retort essentially was a knock of a fighter squadron on border (and end up getting chased away by MiG-21) as a "face saver" in front of their population against deep in their country Balakot airstrike. Their only aim was to claim that they shot down an Indian plane without proof and convince their populace that Pak military is also upto something.

Abhinandan ruined entire small scale drama into escalation, by chasing them, shooting an F-16 and getting captured.
India immediately went aggressive for Abhinandan and pushed for escalation, threatened to fire missiles and destroy GHQ and start a full scale war, Pak immediately stepped back and started calling on "world powers" (US, UK and China) to "play their role" in reestablishing "peace" (bachao).

They immediately and unconditionally released Abhinandan for the reason.

Face savers, i.e. doing smaller scale things to declare Pakistan as India's equivalent is a usual practice of Pakistani establishment. Things just went out of their hands in 2019.

The gap between strategic capabilities of India and Pak has only grown larger and larger in past 40 years.
Pak's current "upgrades" include what has been rejected in India being called "substandard" or "underperforming" in 1990s.

Pak is not a direct military threat at least but definitely a station to divert India's attention. They will at least take a decade more so that economic gap between India and Pakistan can be large enough for India to treat Pakistan like Nepal and Sri Lanka.

As told before,
Pak's current "upgrades" include what has been rejected in India being called "substandard" or "underperforming" in 1990s.

The current 70 Odd F-16 and JF-17 what form their fleet of frontline fighters aren't even in medium category, leave alone heavy. So they don't have something for an air superiority role vis a vis India.

Yes, we indeed will have problem with attacks which is only going to be our role. Because in case of an India pak war, the onus will be on India to cross border as Pak can't get past Indian border at least. Conclusive action includes destroying enemy's air power and blocking its naval supplies to end aids to ground militaries before starting to wipe them off. That's why stupidest leaders from Pak since 1971 have avoided escalations enough to make India cross borders.

While comparing India and Pak build up, you also should be taking into account the goals and roles. India aspires to be a true great power with all homegrown advanced weaponry including TEDBF/AMCA/Astra 3/Indigenous MTA which would take time. Since a demoralized Pak convinced of it being smaller, won't move towards a full escalation with India, every passing is best peacetime day for India to focus on internal military industrial complex to close gap with US, Russia and China even if it costs a declining fleet for one more decade.

India has gradually made progress in space and aircraft industry since beginning of 21st century and it's only since late 2010s that we have seen significant results and are here coping and hoping about an entire independent industry producing TEDBF like fighters to substitute Rafael etc.. If India shifts focus on just greatly outnumbering Pak, it will be badly dwarfed by US and China in 2040s and 50s. We weren't even 10% of what we were in 1990s.
Once Tejas MWF enters production, it will become a primary workhorse being a midlight fighter like F-16 for every role till more things arrive. It will be transition of a permanent confidence into India as military aircraft producer like it became with PSLV in space after decades of struggle.
they bombed indian territory at i think 3 places . not just a knock at the border .
 

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they bombed indian territory at i think 3 places . not just a knock at the border .
Pakistan released multiple H-2 SOWs, similar to Spice which was used in Balakot. Most of them were shot down (picture exists), however at least one reached near the Indian Army camp.

Now Pakistan claims it was their intended target and they intentionally missed it because they wanted to send a message (can be possible). But yeah, at least one reached successfully.
 

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Pakistan released multiple H-2 SOWs, similar to Spice which was used in Balakot. Most of them were shot down (picture exists), however at least one reached near the Indian Army camp.

Now Pakistan claims it was their intended target and they intentionally missed it because they wanted to send a message (can be possible). But yeah, at least one reached successfully.
Well blindly firing weapons towards India and terming it as successful then we fired BRAHMOS successfully and hit the target we intended.
 

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Pakistan released multiple H-2 SOWs, similar to Spice which was used in Balakot. Most of them were shot down (picture exists), however at least one reached near the Indian Army camp.

Now Pakistan claims it was their intended target and they intentionally missed it because they wanted to send a message (can be possible). But yeah, at least one reached successfully.
AFAIK none of them were shot down, they either crashed before reaching intended target (or as paki claim intentionally missed).
Anyways if the bombs did hit their targets, it might have killed dozens (if not more) of our troops - Not treating as an escalation is just cope from our side.
 

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AFAIK none of them were shot down, they either crashed before reaching intended target (or as paki claim intentionally missed).
Anyways if the bombs did hit their targets, it might have killed dozens (if not more) of our troops - Not treating as an escalation is just cope from our side.
I don't think the bombs were even aimed at our troops as that would have lead to unwanted escalation.

The goal was to land them nearby to send a message.
 

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AFAIK none of them were shot down, they either crashed before reaching intended target (or as paki claim intentionally missed).
Anyways if the bombs did hit their targets, it might have killed dozens (if not more) of our troops - Not treating as an escalation is just cope from our side.
It was all a desperate attempt at messaging, Paki army is not so fool enough like it's awaam.

They know the consequences.
 

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