India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[nongaddarliberal]

Now would be a great time to restart LOC arty action.

 

[notaname]

We have four phases of paki proxies.

1947-1948: Pathan Lashkars and Kashmiri ww2 veterans- basically well trained but not trained enough.

1965: Operstuon Gibraltar: basically Paks 12 division in disguise

1990s-2000s second to only 1947-1948 Pathan’s and Kashmiris in terms of competence, arguably the same

2010s- now, a complete cannon fodder

There are no phases, there can only be phases if the terrorists stopped in between but did they, if they didn't, then only one thing can be implied is that Indian army was successful in eliminating Pakistani terrorists.

Not that they stopped sending the terrorists. They even send SSG but they also gets terminated like flies.

 

[Khokhar]

And I am also saying the same thing they were better trained than TTP or BLA, which the OP is denying, and his denial directly implies that Pakistani army is incompetent, I want to confirm that from him.

Kashmiri Mujahideen even at their peak still no match for TTP. The question of our competence is TTP running across to the border so let's not get bogged down on such assumptions.

 

[Kumaoni]

There are no phases, there can only be phases if the terrorists stopped in between but did they, if they didn't, then only one thing can be implied is that Indian army was successful in eliminating Pakistani terrorists.

Not that they stopped sending the terrorists. They even send SSG but they also gets terminated like flies.

They stopped sending Mujahideen from 47-65 and then from 65-90s. From 90s they have been, but IA has largely wiped them out. The Post 2010 Mujahideen are weak cannon fodder, and inferior to BLA.

 

[jai jaganath]

Yes, the BLA is what the LeT and Harkat groups were in the 90s. However, I am seeing an utter lack of adjustments on the Pakistan side.

Where are the camp raids? Night strikes? Cordon ops? You are letting the insurgents have the upper hand.

Same thinking here
When first I was surfing about the insurgency I felt PA is not doing or not following basics of fighting intensified insurgency
No pre emptive strikes even if it occurs it happens only few times
The top brass either not interested or ignoring as more problems exists

 

[Jimih]

Aukaat of Pakistani army

 

[Kumaoni]

Kashmiri Mujahideen even at their peak still no match for TTP. The question of our competence is TTP running across to the border so let's not get bogged down on such assumptions.

But many of the groups from the peak period were transferred from the Soviet Afghan war. Are you calling the ISI incompetent? Hell, even as per Mulla Omar’s admission there were talibanis in kashmir

 

[notaname]

Kashmiri Mujahideen even at their peak still no match for TTP. The question of our competence is TTP running across to the border so let's not get bogged down on such assumptions.

Okh, this means Pakistani army is incompetent and you yourself are accepting it albeit indirectly.

And no TTP is not running across border, they are kidnapping and raping pakistan army in broad daylight.

 

[Kumaoni]

Same thinking here
When first I was surfing about the insurgency I felt PA is not doing or not following basics of fighting intensified insurgency
No pre emptive strikes even if it occurs it happens only few times
The top brass either not interested or ignoring as more problems exists

The BLA seems competent Becuase the Pakistan army lets it seem like that. Same with the TTP. The TTP are even funnier as it really is just tribals with guns, with 0 organization.

 

[Jimih]

The BLA seems competent Becuase the Pakistan army lets it seem like that. Same with the TTP. The TTP are even funnier as it really is just tribals with guns, with 0 organization.

TTP is increasing its foothold in SWAT with each passing day.

 

[Khokhar]

Yes, the BLA is what the LeT and Harkat groups were in the 90s. However, I am seeing an utter lack of adjustments on the Pakistan side.

Where are the camp raids? Night strikes? Cordon ops? You are letting the insurgents have the upper hand.

Brother operating in the enormous mountains of Balochistan is a challenge these militants are well versed and have established caves deep in the mountains, Balochistan is a vast vast land with rugged peaks we have the situation under control, for now, Army is in the second line ops FC Balochistan is being up-gunned for all ops.

We are trying our best to keep a tab on them.

 

[Kumaoni]

TTP is increasing its foothold in SWAT with each passing day.

Pashtun militancy is heavily based on local support and country side. It’s why corrupt Ghani and America lost to the Taliban. Without the country side, you can’t beat the pashtun.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

You guys are missing the point of why I brought up KPK and TTP in the first place. The whole rationale of pakis was that "we'll send cannon fodder to Kashmir in India so the other side pays the price, meanwhile everything will be hunky dory here, we'll eat samosas".

Reality hit back, with more than 70k pakis dying in terrorist attacks in the past 2 decades, and TTP+BLA imposing far more casualties on the paki Army than they could impose on India in Kashmir. Right now it has escalated even further for pakis with TTP strengthening with a vengeance, the Taliban regime turning hostile, and BLA Chads doing hit and runs at will.

That's the irony. They've turned their own game against themselves while India has largely mitigated and dealt with what they throw at us. And of course there are the indirect but much larger costs of their terror policy for them, such as being an economic basket case and perpetual beggar which I haven't even calculated for in this equation. Them being down to 7.9 billion USD reserves while India is at 564 billion is only one indicator of their epic failure.

 

[Kumaoni]

Brother operating in the enormous mountains of Balochistan is a challenge these militants are well versed and have established caves deep in the mountains, Balochistan is a vast vast land with rugged peaks we have the situation under control, for now, Army is in the second line ops FC Balochistan is being up-gunned for all ops.

We are trying our best to keep a tab on them.

Similarly, Indian army has engaged “Kashmiri” (most of which is Pakistani and pathan) in jungle forests in mountains, sometimes in heavy snow in caverns too.

Pakistan must keep the initiative, if u let it slip out you will lose more men than you are already losing. It’s all a matter of initiative,an attackthe scale of Panjgur and Kech should’ve resulted in stricter reposne

 

[Kumaoni]

You guys are missing the point of why I brought up KPK and TTP in the first place. The whole rationale of pakis was that "we'll send cannon fodder to Kashmir in India so the other side pays the price, meanwhile everything will be hunky dory here, we'll eat samosas".

Reality hit back, with more than 70k pakis dying in terrorist attacks in the past 2 decades, and TTP+BLA imposing far more casualties on the paki Army than they could impose on India in Kashmir. Right now it has escalated even further for pakis with TTP strengthening with a vengeance, the Taliban regime turning hostile, and BLA Chads doing hit and runs at will.

That's the irony. They've turned their own game against themselves while India has largely mitigated and dealt with what they throw at us. Of course there are the indirect but much larger costs of their terror policy for them, such as being an economic basket are and perpetual beggar which I haven't even calculated for in this equation. Them being down to 7.9 billion USD reserves while India is at 564 billion is only one indicator of their epic failure.

True, the same guys which they supported against the Red army and india are currently eating them up, both financially, and militarily.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

The second irony is their neighbourhood policy. With an entirely Islam obsessed view of the neighbourhood, they got completely blindsided by Iran and Afghanistan's hostility towards Pakistan. All their terror threats emanate from their western borders with their Islamic biradars, not from the eastern border with India. Which means the Iranian and Afghan governments are the ones providing safe haven and weapons to the groups attacking Pakistan. At least during the Kabul regime, pakis has the excuse of muh Indian consulates to placate their public. Now with the taliban regime, and all Indian consulates closed, what's the excuse?

The cats out of the bag. It's Iran and Afghanistan themselves who are assisting these groups, not India. TTP and Afghan Taliban practically have a revolving door policy for members. "Strategic depth" has turned into a strategic stranglehold. At a deeper level, the subcontinental converts simply could not understand the Islamic world which they claim to be a part of, and slipped up heavily.

 

[notaname]

It's the intensity of ops BLA have revised their tactics they use some of the best thermal scopes available in the market even Indian PARA has lost men in such ops so let's not point fingers.

But it's your army which trained them and armed them not us, we didn't create terrorists you did. So you are getting the taste now.

We will and we can point fingers on Pakistanis as pakistani army trained and sent terrorists at our doorsteps and even does it now. That too for 30000 PKR.

 

[Khokhar]

These are daily ops every nook and cranny is scoured.

 

[Tufail khan]

S
Senior Officers kidhar hai?

Road pei senior officer kahan saath hotei hai

 

[mokoman]

from early 2000