India likely to acquire Tu-22M3 Supersonic Bombers

[Killswitch]

These planes dont have to be used for nuclear attack....


Imagine the impact they could have as air support for an army offensive......


India could use these to carpet bomb enemy strong points (like point 5353 which was lost to Pakistan after Kargil).

A fleet of 10 could be used as an emergency back up to smash enemy formations if India is caught off guard ala 1962 or Kargil.

 

[ace009]

These planes dont have to be used for nuclear attack....


Imagine the impact they could have as air support for an army offensive......


India could use these to carpet bomb enemy strong points (like point 5353 which was lost to Pakistan after Kargil).

A fleet of 10 could be used as an emergency back up to smash enemy formations if India is caught off guard ala 1962 or Kargil.

Any strike fighter (or bomber) present in SFC should never be used for CAS or SEAD missions. The "strategic" part is for delivery of "strategic" weapons - i.e. NBC (nuclear, Biological, Chemical) warheads to strategic locations - major industrial areas, military bases, airbases, naval ports etc. Since India professes not to have any biological/ chemical weapons, the SFC strike fighter (or bomber) will be delivering thermo-nuclear warheads of 30-100 kt yield.

 

[sayareakd]

The Russian military officially acknowledged the loss of a Tu-22MR recon aircraft to Georgian air defenses early in the 2008 South Ossetia war

Tupolev Tu-22M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

they could have used a UAV to do the same job.

so moral of the story, lets use the aircraft for the role it was made for.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

These planes dont have to be used for nuclear attack....
Imagine the impact they could have as air support for an army offensive......
India could use these to carpet bomb enemy strong points (like point 5353 which was lost to Pakistan after Kargil).

India could have used Jaguar /MIG-21/27 to bomb Tiger with dumb bombs, Why haven't ?

Coz

At those altitude air is thin and dumb bombs delivery at that altitude in such thin air was not feasible, LGB correct there path while dropped, LBG are useful in that region not so dumb bombs, Also such a big aircraft need bigger radius to move which is not good so close to LOC..



Btw, The plane are targeted for SFC, You can use BM-30 from 60kms away, They will do bigger damage, I am sure after hitting by 48-60 300mm Rockets there would be left anything to survive on..



Also A10 and MIGs are not so good in those High Altitude, that is why MANPADS are effective there..

 

[ace009]

For SFC, you need a deep penetration aircraft - you might do it in one of three ways -

1. Stealth - Low observability aircraft like the B2 Spirit (or the PAK-DA in the future).
2. High altitude - like the XB-70 (not inducted ever), B-1 Lancer, Tu-160 or Tu-95, B-52 Stratofortress etc - but again - these are relicts of the past.
3. Low altitude "penetration" fighter bombers - like the Su-34, Rafale and F-35.

Looking at that profile, you can see that Rafale is probably the best choice for India at this moment.

 

[hareesh]

Why India dont have a bomber fleet like Tu-22 ?

What i think is that our threat was pakistan.We dint need these long range bomber fleet.But we are a upcoming super power in asia and world.We need deep stike bombers for our future missions.We have an dragon next door spliting fire on fire every now and then.
Chinese websites are again reporting that Russia has agreed to sell Beijing the production line for the Tupolev Tu-22M3 bomber at a cost of $1.5 billion.


Once in service with the Chinese Naval Air Forces the Tu-22M3 will be known as the "H-10"³.

The deal struck with Russia includes 36 aircraft: a batch of 12 followed by a second batch of 24 additional bombers.

The Tu-22 will be employed in the maritime attack role and used to attack targets from low levels to avoid radar detection.

All super powers had their trust and large fleet.Now stealth bombers and advanced bombers are with USA .

 

[hareesh]

Re: Why India dont have a bomber fleet like Tu-22 ? China to buy Backf

well.. russia did offer to sell the Tu-22M to the IAF, they declined.

 

[JBH22]

Re: Why India dont have a bomber fleet like Tu-22 ? China to buy Backf

India leased TU-22 in 2001 four if am not mistaken but then nothing..

In India the establishment still views the airforce in a tactical role and not in a strategic one, but given our current doctrine & finance we cannot blame them.

WW2 luftwaffe was a terrific tactical force when used with blitzkrieg,however the germans lacked strategic bombers and this had disastrous consequences for them.it
For example Russians were able to dislocate their factories in the Urals mountains without much trouble same goes for troops movements.


Do we really need a strategic bomber? I think no, though two squadrons of SU-34 might be handy for long range missions

 

[arnabmit]

Re: Why India dont have a bomber fleet like Tu-22 ? China to buy Backf

If I remember correctly, there was a lengthy debate on why India does not need a bomber.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/military-aviation/14562-pak-da-russian-fifth-generation-steath-bomber.html#post191164

Edit: another... http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/31509-does-india-have-tu-22m3-bombers.html

Why India dont have a bomber fleet like Tu-22 ?

What i think is that our threat was pakistan.We dint need these long range bomber fleet.But we are a upcoming super power in asia and world.We need deep stike bombers for our future missions.We have an dragon next door spliting fire on fire every now and then.
Chinese websites are again reporting that Russia has agreed to sell Beijing the production line for the Tupolev Tu-22M3 bomber at a cost of $1.5 billion.


Once in service with the Chinese Naval Air Forces the Tu-22M3 will be known as the "H-10"³.

The deal struck with Russia includes 36 aircraft: a batch of 12 followed by a second batch of 24 additional bombers.

The Tu-22 will be employed in the maritime attack role and used to attack targets from low levels to avoid radar detection.

All super powers had their trust and large fleet.Now stealth bombers and advanced bombers are with USA .

 

[DivineHeretic]

Re: Why India dont have a bomber fleet like Tu-22 ? China to buy Backf

India leased TU-22 in 2001 four if am not mistaken but then nothing..

In India the establishment still views the airforce in a tactical role and not in a strategic one, but given our current doctrine & finance we cannot blame them.

WW2 luftwaffe was a terrific tactical force when used with blitzkrieg,however the germans lacked strategic bombers and this had disastrous consequences for them.it
For example Russians were able to dislocate their factories in the Urals mountains without much trouble same goes for troops movements.


Do we really need a strategic bomber? I think no, though two squadrons of SU-34 might be handy for long range missions

There is very little evidence of the Tu22 in India although several reports indicate that we did lease a few in 2001. Even then, its most likely role is with the IN Maritime patrol and not with the SFC deterrence patrol.

The AF is currently undergoing a transistion from a tactical to strategic command in the operational sense. It had long back made the transition in the theoretical field. As far back as in 1980s, when the IAF first aquired the Il-76 strategic airlifters, it became evident that the upper echelons wanted the AF as a strategic force.

The Luftwaffe lost because it could not produce enough fighters to keep up with attrition losses or for that matter generate enough sorties to prevent the bombers from completing their missions.

In the modern battlefield, especially over hostile skies, deep penetration bombing has very low surivability. And that is for a fighter sized target. A strategic bomber would be detected as far out as 600km by a AWEC platform. China intends to use the Tu22 as bomb trucks carrying Cruise missiles. It will not be used as a bomber in the original sense, but rather a missile carrier in the air.

In all probability they will use it on CBGs with saturation attacks or overwhelming base defences. Another reason might be they are getting ready to put into testing their stealth bomber.

 

[ramakrishna]

I have read this lines in latest article be one of the defense blog i follow..

"The Tu-22M is currently operated by the Russian Air Force and Russian Naval Aviation. It was also operated in India, Ukraine and the Soviet Union." so it was just operated once or twice from India

But under the current situations we are in need of this type of Bomber Crafts.. Few forums are talking about "Tu-95 Bear " the latest bomber Aircraft India Is planing for.. Is that True ??

 

[bhramos]

I have read this lines in latest article be one of the defense blog i follow..

"The Tu-22M is currently operated by the Russian Air Force and Russian Naval Aviation. It was also operated in India, Ukraine and the Soviet Union." so it was just operated once or twice from India

But under the current situations we are in need of this type of Bomber Crafts.. Few forums are talking about "Tu-95 Bear " the latest bomber Aircraft India Is planing for.. Is that True ??

Tu-95 is very pld model, by some conversions Tu-142 can do Bombings like Tu-95, hope we had Tu-160 Blackjack

 

[sivachandan]

Post any info or opinion you have relating to this topic.

India doesn't need a strategic bomber reading its threats for attacking distant targets it can use Agni missiles

 

[LETHALFORCE]

India doesn't need a strategic bomber reading its threats for attacking distant targets it can use Agni missiles

Agni missile range is capped at 5k. Submarines. More feasible.

 

[bennedose]

These planes dont have to be used for nuclear attack....


Imagine the impact they could have as air support for an army offensive......


India could use these to carpet bomb enemy strong points (like point 5353 which was lost to Pakistan after Kargil).

A fleet of 10 could be used as an emergency back up to smash enemy formations if India is caught off guard ala 1962 or Kargil.

I appreciate the idea that we should have the capability to smash foes who need to be smashed, but IMO "carpet bombing" is simply over rated in the lay public domain. Carpet bombing was found to be pretty ineffective in WW2 and Vietnam. In addition when Paki camps are concentrated on a little mountain peak that requires just one smart bomb/missile, carpet bombing will only carpet the mountain sides and slopes with explosive that makes the sides crumbly and make it difficult for men who might want to climb. Most of the bombs will miss the peak because by nature a plane flying at 800 kmph and dropping a string of bombs will simply be dropping a line of bombs that go boomboomboomboomboom as explosions moving in a single line 100 meters wide and 20 km long at 800 kmph.

It is the American lay press that popularized expressions like "rolling thunder" and "highway of death" making it seem like carpet bombing actually works. Jasjit Singh's book on Air Power has some information and while I forget the exact figures he says something like this. It used to take 20 bombs to hit a bridge in WW2. In Korea it was 10. In Vietnam it was 5. Nowadays you should be able to do it with one bomb.

 

[jmj_overlord]

India doesn't need a strategic bomber reading its threats for attacking distant targets it can use Agni missiles

also aircrafts like jaguar, mirage 2000 can play the role of bombers, like when used in kargil....

 

[sivachandan]

they are actually ground attack fighters...not bombers...bombers carry heavy load for a long distance

 

[bhramos]

they are actually ground attack fighters...not bombers...bombers carry heavy load for a long distance

MiG-27 and Jaguar are Fighter Bombers...

 

[sivachandan]

Yeah, but cannot be compared to a strategic bomber

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

SOURCE: INTERFAX.RU (Report has been Translated from Russian to English )

India would like to purchase from Russia 12 anti-aircraft missile systems S-400 “Triumph”. This is stated on the official stand of the program Make in India ( “Made in India”), the international industrial exhibition “Innoprom” in Yekaterinburg. According to information at the booth, India plans to lease two nuclear submarine “Akula-2” with the ability to purchase them after the completion of the lease term. It is reported that India has ordered four Russian long-range bomber Tu-22M3 bombers, 80 helicopters Mi-17, and 6 IL-76, which are suitable for the Israeli radar “Phalcon”. The submission states that the initiative “Made in India” on the territory of the country is planned to produce more than 1 thousand. T-90S tanks and 200 Ka-226. The stand is informed about the project at $ 900 million for the modernization of MiG-29 aircraft. In addition, it is reported that India and Russia are cooperating on the supersonic anti-ship cruise missile “BrahMos”, the fifth-generation fighter, the Su-30MKI program and tactical transport aircraft “IL”.

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