India-China Border conflict

[Angel of War]

Because Taiwan has such a quality group of soldiers?

Look, I agree the Chinese aren't battle hardened but we're placing too much emphasis on the man on the ground.
A drone in the sky trumps a man on the ground 100 out of 100 times.

The analogy I'm making is, China can saturate the island of Taiwan with carpet bombing if it so wishes and the Taiwanese would rather give up than go through all that pain.

If China can effectively fight India, it can EASILY take Taiwan. The thought of Taiwan repelling China for any amount of time is as laughable as saying Maldives can repel India because XYZ reason.

Without the full commitment of America, Taiwan isn't going to make it through this decade as a republic. Their lackluster response to Chinese warplanes constantly breaching their airspace shows this. If they were serious, they would have shot it down at the very first instance, consequences notwithstanding.

They aren't serious. They're just waiting to be invaded.
I don't blame them either. China's too big for them to handle by their lonesome.

taiwan has an excellent land force and air force ranked among top 20 in the world . Comparing Taiwan to maldives dosen't make any sense . They didn't shoot down any chinese aircraft simply to prevent escalation

 

[Covfefe]

-as things stand today, CCP has the cash reserves and clout to resist/negotiate a diplomatic boycott if they choose to take over taiwan.
-CCP won't care about own military casualties, they would just throw men at taiwan like they have done in other theatres in the past.
-at this point in time, there is no MAD between Taiwan and CCP. statement here and there, but we don't know for sure if taiwan actually has the capability.

+The willingness angle among the Taiwanese people. Most of them, as per surveys, prefer status quo. But in case of that being changed unilaterally how much of heat are they willing to take? Wars are bloody and the ChiComs have more men to spare. After a few days of initial aggression they may offer a truce pact with "one country-two system" kinda bs which the Taiwanese dispensation might be forced to accept under the local pressure. And slowly, the remaining "two systems" are eroded too

 

[Love Charger]

That is a BIG IF. This isn't the 70s and China is not Mao's China anymore. There was never any contest between the British and Argentina. UK was the #3 power in the world behind USA & USSR and Argentina was a nobody that was conceited due to its well-performing economy making it a middle-income country back then. They assumed that just because they were a part of the Spanish Empire, they could take down such a powerful country. The rest of Falklands story we all know; the Gurkha regiment shredded Argentinian forces by the hundreds, while Royal Navy's Harrier jets flattened any expeditionary forces Argentina tried to send to Las Malvinas.

Look at Biden-Harris and tell me; do you really think they would put American boots on the ground against a country that can retaliate against its mainland?

No sir , not a chance
Risk aversion is a good american trait , which I like

 

[Waanar]

From this

taiwan has an excellent land force and air force ranked among top 20 in the world .

To this, in the same post-

They didn't shoot down any chinese aircraft simply to prevent escalation

Do you see the irony here?

It's not like the chinese warplanes were having a navigation error.
They deliberately are flying over Taiwan.

Taiwan has already muddled it's airspace's sovereignty to "prevent escalation".

How long till they compromise on their land and maritime sovereignty to "prevent escalation"?

Not long, I say.

 

[ezsasa]

-as things stand today, CCP has the cash reserves and clout to resist/negotiate a diplomatic boycott if they choose to take over taiwan.
-CCP won't care about own military casualties, they would just throw men at taiwan like they have done in other theatres in the past.
-at this point in time, there is no MAD between Taiwan and CCP. statement here and there, but we don't know for sure if taiwan actually has the capability.

as an exmaple, i present yemen and ukraine. what is the world doing? nothing much on the ground except for using the situation to settle their old strategic scores.

antidote is "Visible and undeniable threat to CCP's seat of power", unless this happens everyone is negotiating on CCP's terms.

 

[Knowitall]

If we are to speak in terms of pure military capability on the ground without dwelling into the conflict itself then yes china as of now has sufficient amphibious capability to sustain a naval invasion of the Taiwanese mainland.

Will write a detailed post later on explaining how.

One point that many of the people here seem to be missing is that Taiwan still has a pro unification party in the form of KMT.

Depending on how a conflict pans out there is a reasonable chance that KMT could cut a deal with the Chinese if sufficient losses take place or there is reason to believe that the Chinese were forced to cross the red line.

 

[Hijibiji]

Wonderful posts. Since my last time here, my view-points have changed. Now I think whatever China does will end up in Good (as in "Whatever happens, happens for good").

Right now China can do anything- anyything--- they can attack India if they want, they can attack Taiwan if they want. BUT as Mahamanyo Putin said, China does NOT need to attack Taiwan militarily

 

[prasadr14]

If we are to speak in terms of pure military capability on the ground without dwelling into the conflict itself then yes china as of now has sufficient amphibious capability to sustain a naval invasion of the Taiwanese mainland.

Will write a detailed post later on explaining how.

One point that many of the people here seem to be missing is that Taiwan still has a pro unification party in the form of KMT.

Depending on how a conflict pans out there is a reasonable chance that KMT could cut a deal with the Chinese if sufficient losses take place or there is reason to believe that the Chinese were forced to cross the red line.

Most Taiwanese are very very liberal in every sense.

It's like taking a person who has lived all his life with nature and putting him a 50m2 apartment, if china takes over Taiwan.

You think Taiwanese people who are used to every kind of freedom will get used to licking Xi's used underwear?

If China bombs taiwan, the first one to be massacred by Taiwanese will be the ones from KMT.

 

[IndianHawk]

Why are we so concerned with what happens to Taiwan?? Leave that headache to usa and Japan and chinese bootlicker Koreans .

We should rather be planning on how to take maximum advantage of Taiwan crisis.

Move into pok simultaneously!
Capture areas along chinese border when china is fighting in the east.
Take max advantage of global sactions on china capture exports market!!
And much more! Probably test another set of massive hydrogen bombs claiming imminent Chinese threat!

 

[Angel of War]

From this

To this, in the same post-

Do you see the irony here?

It's not like the chinese warplanes were having a navigation error.
They deliberately are flying over Taiwan.

Taiwan has already muddled it's airspace's sovereignty to "prevent escalation".

How long till they compromise on their land and maritime sovereignty to "prevent escalation"?

Not long, I say.

we have done the same thing with the chinese for the past 70 years . They violated our borders and we kept quiet most of the times . What was our response when the chinese violated our airspace in kinnaur this year and that too twice ? We have compromised our soverignity many times just to control the escalation ladder

 

[THESIS THORON]

Why are we so concerned with what happens to Taiwan?? Leave that headache to usa and Japan and chinese bootlicker Koreans .

We should rather be planning on how to take maximum advantage of Taiwan crisis.

Move into pok simultaneously!
Capture areas along chinese border when china is fighting in the east.
Take max advantage of global sactions on china capture exports market!!
And much more! Probably test another set of massive hydrogen bombs claiming imminent Chinese threat!

any military capture will not be easy to do because we are already engaged with chinks.

are we grooming pok population for favouring towards india ??
other wise it will be very hard to sustain there

 

[Knowitall]

Most Taiwanese are very very liberal in every sense.

It's like taking a person who has lived all his life with nature and putting him a 50m2 apartment, if china takes over Taiwan.

You think Taiwanese people who are used to every kind of freedom will get used to licking Xi's used underwear?

If China bombs taiwan, the first one to be massacred by Taiwanese will be the ones from KMT.

You are making a assumption that the Taiwanese would respond violently to a Chinese attack when in reality if we are to look at the various conflicts that have taken place over the past few years the exact opposite is true.

Be it the Russo Georgian war or the Russian attack on Crimea or the Azerbaijani war on Armenia or the American invasion of gulf the results have always been the same.

In the face of mounting losses or economic collapse most countries and their political entities readily give up or surrender due to mounting political costs. Plus Taiwanese contrary to your belief are quite soft which is one of the major reasons as to why Taiwan still has no conscription and defence budget unlike say for example Israel.

If promised help does not arrive in time Taiwan will most certainly capitulate.

 

[IndianHawk]

any military capture will not be easy to do because we are already engaged with chinks.

are we grooming pok population for favouring towards india ??
other wise it will be very hard to sustain there

Chinks will be caught on Easter front with usa and Japan. They can't simultaneously fight usa Japan and india.
Their core interested is their eastern front.

We could force majority population of pok to flee and rest to co-operate under direct threat of violence. And we don't have to do it all at once we can keep grabbing pok land slowly step by step just like chinese do with salami slicing.

 

[THESIS THORON]

We could force majority population of pok to flee and rest to co-operate under direct threat of violence. And we don't have to do it all at once we can keep grabbing pok land slowly step by step just like chinese do with salami slicing.

this is what I want, let them go with pakshitstan, we all know how pakshit establishment made flee all the native kashmiris of pok, so already they are not native, they are just planted population.

(most of them)

 

[ezsasa]

Why are we so concerned with what happens to Taiwan?? Leave that headache to usa and Japan and chinese bootlicker Koreans .

We should rather be planning on how to take maximum advantage of Taiwan crisis.

Move into pok simultaneously!
Capture areas along chinese border when china is fighting in the east.
Take max advantage of global sactions on china capture exports market!!
And much more! Probably test another set of massive hydrogen bombs claiming imminent Chinese threat!

since CCP is a centralised system, if they plan to take any action on Taiwan they could be doing some moves our Tibet border as well to protect their rear.

 

[Covfefe]

We could force majority population of pok to flee and rest to co-operate under direct threat of violence. And we don't have to do it all at once we can keep grabbing pok land slowly step by step just like chinese do with salami slicing

Man, how much of hopium you had this morning? When has IA done some stuff like that, "force majority population" and " threat of violence"? You keep forgetting they call themselves a 'moral army' and these things are not moral in nature. Leave pok we can't even pull stunt like that within our own borders- Kashmir? Or West Bengal and Assam? India will do absolutely nothing because that's who we are- masters of letting go off opportunities

 

[Love Charger]

Kill as many as pakistanis , indian army can .
Civilians , military all .
Just slaughter them , they will automatically run away , no use of morality when dealing with inherient immoral people.

 

[Knowitall]

Also members here should look at the wider geo political spectrum while discussing such issues.

If we are to look at things as they stand now @ezsasa prediction of a G2 world seems to be quite accurate.

With a economically strong and belligerent china on one side and a resurgent Russia on the other side the US is hard pressed on both fronts.

Their allies in Europe are not interested in propping up a failed state like Ukraine financially or militarily against the Russians especially in light of the recent economic turmoil which has resulted in gas and electricity shortages even before winters in Ukraine.

Their allies in Asia especially the Koreans have outright refused to be a part of any alliance aimed at china while the Japanese continue to arm themselves in the hopes that either they fight together or negotiable separately.

Western Europe on the other hand is in no mood to let go off the cheap Russian oil and gas especially after they saw firsthand the treatment given to Australia.

Now Australia is a good study case here.

They go all out on behest of the US attack china front on end up facing tariffs and strikes which result in billions of losses and all for what?

Instead of helping them the US ended up supplying the raw materials for which Australia usually does thus incurring profits from Australian losses.

Worse after the biden-xi talks Europe shelved its plan for greater cooperation with Taiwan while US is now considering the removal of tarriffs from Chinese goods.

All in all US needed a sholder to fire from and the Japanese were never going to be that shoulder considering how despite territorial disputes they maintain a stable economical relationship with china.

We have reasons to believe that US would neither help us or Taiwan in case of a conflict.

Taiwan is to small of a issue to escalate over while we are a growing power which can be nipped before we learn how to fly is how the US will respond or react at our situation's.

 

[IndianHawk]

since CCP is a centralised system, if they plan to take any action on Taiwan they could be doing some moves our Tibet border as well to protect their rear.

Ofcourse they will do but they will still have to move majority of assets manpower to eastern front.

You do realise even if india totally stays out of game china would still be facing humiliating defeat against usa - japan combined forces.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Seems like new boots/shoes have started to become standard issue