India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Shashank Nayak]

You can't say it was a gift , point is British had control over it and they leased it out to Burmese while major Andaman Nicobar came to us during independence.

Sardar Patel was ready to take it over by force the way he projected in matter of Lakshwadweep .

Nehru gave it away as Mountbatten ( which one?) Asked him .

Coco islands are a small group of islands on the northern tip of andaman and nicobar.. They are far away from the southern portion near the malacca straits.. so. Not much to worry about..

 

[shade]

SM says PLA ammassed enough troops to try human waves on all Indian positions, without any preemptive arty/missiles. All these human waves will carry melee weapons (and an assault rifle as backup). The strategy will be to make Indians fire the first shots, or get lucky and reach the top without a single shot fired from either side, and hope that the Indians retreat.

The Indian counter-maneuver will be to amass large numbers on its side of the slopes, so when Chinese begin their human wave climb to the top, Indians begin theirs, and there's a medieval melee battle on a fucking ridge line, with 1:1 headcount. Most of the fatalities will come from falling/landslides.

India must not conform to the Han-trick-of-the-day

The whole point of no gunz is there should not be any lethal hostilities on the border, if they want to be like Kublai Khan's soldiers there there is no point of us not using all these expensive guns procured under fast track emergency whatever route.

 

[Bhadra]

Yesterday was Jaishankarji's day, how shitty and incompetent he is blahblahblah !!! Their try to divide failed. Today they are trying with Doval, let them come and have fun !!! They need to weaken the central gov and show that there is a divide inside the Cabinet. It's a textbook play, so not a big deal. A few spank and it will be finished like with Jaishankar yesterday.

Spot On .... one guy even tried to bring the difference between Defence and Foreign office... the bast part is that they do it so innocuously and simply and all jump into the bandwagon...

 

[Sanglamorre]

SM says PLA ammassed enough troops to try human waves on all Indian positions, without any preemptive arty/missiles. All these human waves will carry melee weapons (and an assault rifle as backup). The strategy will be to make Indians fire the first shots, or get lucky and reach the top without a single shot fired from either side, and hope that the Indians retreat.

The Indian counter-maneuver will be to amass large numbers on its side of the slopes, so when Chinese begin their human wave climb to the top, Indians begin theirs, and there's a medieval melee battle on a fucking ridge line, with 1:1 headcount. Most of the fatalities will come from falling/landslides.

How will they try to assert their claim we fired first even if we do?

 

[dumdumdum]

Actually India should open fire and kill few doznes of bat munchers and not claim the kills, gain territory and not publicly claim any of this. Let them either whine publicly or hide the losses. Either ways gain is ours

 

[Bleh]

But that 5 km range ATGM Type-15 fires could be a problem. Yeah you are right, APS is a requirement.

Especially against T-72 that don't have ATGM... Once in gun range of 2-3km they're toast. But before that, a serious threat.

 

[tarunraju]

India must not conform to the Han-trick-of-the-day

The whole point of no gunz is there should not be any lethal hostilities on the border, if they want to be like Kublai Khan's soldiers there there is no point of us not using all these expensive guns procured under fast track emergency whatever route.

The move if Indians on the top use firearms will be a retreat, followed by artillery barrage. Then the gloves will be off.

Short of amassing 20,000 troops on its side, India should now move forward on the assumption that the gloves are already off, and should respond to human waves with artillery+MBRL strikes on the human waves first, and the PLA artillery positions next.

Pinaka MBRLs and 155 mm arty is already deployed from the Indian side. Those on the ridgelines have sniper rifles, AMRs, mortars, MANPADs, and Spike ATGMs. At any given time there's a package in the air to ward off PLAAF ground-attack maneuvers.

 

[prasadr14]

After Galwan, only a moron would plan a human wave attacks at the enemy.

There is a perception here that Chinkies are looking for Casus Belli to hit us hard,
well, that is a completely wrong idea at many levels.

Let me be clear, does not matter what the reason, if the Chinese try to hit us hard, they will get up getting hit hard.

 

[utubekhiladi]

INDIAN ARMY SHOULD EQUIP WITH THE BELOW WEAPONS. since they are part of our traditions. some examples

 

[Flying Dagger]

Coco islands are a small group of islands on the northern tip of andaman and nicobar.. They are far away from the southern portion near the malacca straits.. so. Not much to worry about..

Like really?

Under Chinese occupation there are radar over there to monitor IN activity pretty close and an airstrip. We should be sitting ducks like that?

If it wasn't a matter of concern IN wouldn't have asked in 94 for political leadership to speak with Burma. And Now it's a major concern.

No weaklings should be allowed.

 

[sajobajo]

SM says PLA ammassed enough troops to try human waves on all Indian positions, without any preemptive arty/missiles. All these human waves will carry melee weapons (and an assault rifle as backup). The strategy will be to make Indians fire the first shots, or get lucky and reach the top without a single shot fired from either side, and hope that the Indians retreat.

The average Chinese conscript may be ordered to head to an unassailable peak, and he may even derive temporary bravery by being a part of a mob. But that would soon disappear at the first sign of retaliation, via bullets or otherwise. Think lathi charge, do you think cops always outnumber the mob?
The average conscripted Lizardboy would rather be back home at the farm, or the factory town, getting pampered by Ma-Pa. Human waves can only work till the first point of contact in such cases, IMHO.
Contrary to our city boys, the vast majority of our small town Fauj is completely grounded, and are aware this is a civilisational battle and most consider it as their "calling". We need to turn that psyche to our advantage.

 

[shade]

How will they try to assert their claim we fired first even if we do?

Like they asserted that Coronavirus didn't come from China, it is an american trick etc etc.

"Who fired first" is a bullshit and immaterial jhumla, if they want to escalate into a war they will say we fired first, truth doesn't matter, it will not change their actions.

 

[Lancer]

THE MIGHTY T90 BHISHMA REMAINED IN ACTION EVEN AFTER BEING HIT BY 7 RPG ANTI-TANK ROCKETS
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Called Bhishma for a reason

 

[prasadr14]

INDIAN ARMY SHOULD EQUIP WITH THE BELOW WEAPONS. since they are part of our traditions. some examples

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Let us equip our soldiers with a dozen Dildos each.
The message would be clear to the Chinki Army.

 

[mist_consecutive]

If this is Galwan as being claimed, I’d be cautious about taking it at face value. Note the water level is quite low. We know as of 17th June, the water level of the Galwan is much higher.




IA should release its slaughter video, put some fear into the cowardly hearts of the wumao scum.

Looks like AIM is having a steady deposit of bitcoins!

In early August, there was a face-off in eastern Sikkim’s Jelep La area in which the PLA occupied higher ground and rolled stones onto Indian Army troops. The tension eased after senior officers intervened, but in a joint meeting between the two sides, both stayed adamant on their claim over the Jelep La area. A security official said: “The development was worrying because this was the first such instance in an area which has largely remained undisputed.”

I flagged before that we should pre empt into Sikkim-Yadong where we have a very good advantage vs. Chinese.
Some veterans I remember said that since the Sikkim border is settled we should not violate it.

This is what I predicted. Chinese won't play fair, nobody plays fair except for high-on-dharma peaceful Indians thinking satyug war rules still apply.

The position is way below.

Bad, bad analysis. No match whatsoever. All hill ridgeline looks like that.

 

[Bhadra]

Has Moldo been vacated .... or being readied for a surrender ... with all primitive Chinese daos in-display...

I fail to understand how can the Chinese claim themselves to be a civilisation? Do they think that the Chinese peasants are fighting against Kuomintang? Chinese cruelty and savagery at full display. That Photograph of yesterday is going to be a historical photograph to be hung prominently at every PLA unit also next to the Chairman CMC.

Fellows save that photograph for posterity... tell your children what Chinese civilisation is all about....

 

[rwbeast]

Called Bhishma for a reason

 

[doreamon]

Using medival weapon so that escalation ll nt happen is bullshit idea . These wepons can be lethal . If they approach with these weapons indian army should open fire . Like any self respecting army will do .1967 we killed 400 of them . Did they do nythng ? Make no mistake using these medival weapon is a act of war on its own.. The chinese strategy is to gain more land not risking a war or a fire fight .. Let them knw the remification of risk they r taking .

 

[Sanglamorre]

The Chinese may come with their knife poles, but Indians must use their boom sticks and boom boom pipes.

No need to go ooga booga just because they have.

 

[shade]

Ha Moldo been vacated .... or being readied for a surrender ... with all primitive Chinese daos in-display...

I fail to understand how can the Chinese claim themselves to be a civilisation? Do they think that the Chinese peasants are fighting against Kuomintang? Chinese cruelty and savagery at full display. That Photograph of yesterday is going to be a historical photograph to be hung prominently at every PLA unit also next to the Chairman CMC.

Fellows save that photograph for posterity... tell your children what Chinese civilisation is all about....

Civilization means the organizational capability of a given tribe, not the meme of high morals.

They are very organized, afterall they have to make up for the weakness of the average soft-bodied urban insectoid conscripts in their army.