India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[duhastmish]

offtopic, do you like rammstein?

Yes brother I lived in Nuremberg for some time. Been to lots of their local shows.

 

[Poseidon]

Only one guy has even mentioned about F2. So we're not even sure they were there in the first place.

Is it Saurav Jha?

 

[Mikel]

Is it Saurav Jha?

Yes

 

[Apollyon]

Only one guy has even mentioned about F2. So we're not even sure they were there in the first place.

Is it Saurav Jha?

Yes

That makes sense. Jha is an attention seeker and in trying to differentiate himself from others he sometimes go overboard and make bold (read: false) comments.

 

[Sanglamorre]

I'll bet on something happening tomorrow night, hours before the meet begins.

This is to try leave MEA little room to maneuver and throw him off the game. The best effect of a destabilisation move would be to not let the enemy regain balance.


Btw, 400+ people at quarter to 2 am. Did it happen even during Balakote??

 

[Sehwag213]

I'll bet on something happening tomorrow night, hours before the meet begins.

This is to try leave MEA little room to maneuver and throw him off the game. The best effect of a destabilisation move would be to not let the enemy regain balance.


Btw, 400+ people at quarter to 2 am. Did it happen even during Balakote??

We should all thanks @Bhumihar

 

[ALPHASsquad47]

Rafales are of no use right now. Except for showcase.
We have proven su 30 and migs

36-48 more Rafales would be better deal than MMRCA/MRFA. If additional Rafales are purchased then ORCA can get a nod from IAF although the chances are very minimum

 

[shaktishivashakti]

We should all thanks @Bhumihar

Sure that was a master coup

 

[Sanglamorre]

Btw, no replies from @Bhumihar for quite a while. Did the agencies get him? Xd

 

[Sehwag213]

Btw, no replies from @Bhumihar for quite a while. Did the agencies get him? Xd

Yes Chinese side have agreed for status quo as on 1 April in exchange for @Bhumihar
RAW has picked him from his home

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Btw, no replies from @Bhumihar for quite a while. Did the agencies get him? Xd

Agencies have raided Ajay Devgan's house.. Looks like he really was Bhumihar..

 

[Anathema]

There are zero indications so far that Xi is under pressure, donno why people are allowed to sell such snake oil.

Actually there are plenty of indicators that Xi is under pressure; And usually when dictators are under pressure - they make war happen ! Here are some tidbits which points us to that direction
1. Xi's grand dream of reunification of all the teritory lost by China - this includes HK (done!), Taiwan, Indian border and god knows other territories that must have been ruled by Ming dynasty
2. His gradual takeover of all the key homeland and military departments - this includes the latest takeover of police department so that internal rebellion can be crushed.
3. Supposed purge that is being planed - Xi's close confidante has already declared that the biggest threat to China is the two headed people. THis purge indicates Xi is still not sure about his hold
4. Scholars who are speaking out - we recently had a case of female professor in one of their central universities speaking out against Xi. Its kind of a big thing since political commisars actually train over there.
5. Constant bad name that China has received in this past 3 months
6. Flooods, etc

There are plenty of indicators that you can sense and it does seem Xi is under pressure. So he is itching for a fight - which he will get with India. Its a win-win situation for Xi. If he wins - he will claim the credit and if its a stalemate then he will use that as a opportunity to eliminate opponents in their party and PLA. Its a playbook lifted from Stalin when he waged the war against Finland. Stalin then used the execuse of poor performance in Finland war to cleanse Russian army of opponents.

Regardless - all the signs point towards a war happening to solidify Xi's stake.

 

[N4tsula67]

Just like Mao zedong did the 1962 war. After Great Famine of china(1959-1961) there was anti ccp sentiment growing in china so to divert attention he declared a war on india it was one of the key reason(out of many) for 1962 sino-china war.

 

[ezsasa]

Actually there are plenty of indicators that Xi is under pressure; And usually when dictators are under pressure - they make war happen ! Here are some tidbits which points us to that direction
1. Xi's grand dream of reunification of all the teritory lost by China - this includes HK (done!), Taiwan, Indian border and god knows other territories that must have been ruled by Ming dynasty
2. His gradual takeover of all the key homeland and military departments - this includes the latest takeover of police department so that internal rebellion can be crushed.
3. Supposed purge that is being planed - Xi's close confidante has already declared that the biggest threat to China is the two headed people. THis purge indicates Xi is still not sure about his hold
4. Scholars who are speaking out - we recently had a case of female professor in one of their central universities speaking out against Xi. Its kind of a big thing since political commisars actually train over there.
5. Constant bad name that China has received in this past 3 months
6. Flooods, etc

There are plenty of indicators that you can sense and it does seem Xi is under pressure. So he is itching for a fight - which he will get with India. Its a win-win situation for Xi. If he wins - he will claim the credit and if its a stalemate then he will use that as a opportunity to eliminate opponents in their party and PLA. Its a playbook lifted from Stalin when he waged the war against Finland. Stalin then used the execuse of poor performance in Finland war to cleanse Russian army of opponents.

Regardless - all the signs point towards a war happening to solidify Xi's stake.

Yes we know all these, these points have been discussed to death here.
You can also add Xi taking control over PAP to the list.

These points are more about Xi going thru his checklist for consolidating power.
What are the indicators that we have a seen that points to his opponents making worthy moves to engineer a coup? So far none worth mentioning, except a few dissidents escaping to U.S.

As things stand today, only Xi can dethrone Xi.

 

[Mikel]

LAC is now more or less LoC-ised. Soldiers killed, shots fired, permanent eyeball-to-eyeball deployment. All added up, it doesnt seem advtg China at all, despite the tactical surprise they sprang on us. Sun Tzu wudnt be so proud...

What does that do to the PLA’s plans to cut back on manpower, specifically to shrink the PLAGF while strengthening the Navy? And how does it affect Chinese plans to project power past the first island chain?

 

[omaebakabaka]

LAC is now more or less LoC-ised. Soldiers killed, shots fired, permanent eyeball-to-eyeball deployment. All added up, it doesnt seem advtg China at all, despite the tactical surprise they sprang on us. Sun Tzu wudnt be so proud...

What does that do to the PLA’s plans to cut back on manpower, specifically to shrink the PLAGF while strengthening the Navy? And how does it affect Chinese plans to project power past the first island chain?

Chinese navy will be scuttled before even they begin....they have 0 experience in naval battles and as usual overestimate their prowess, I mean US navy

 

[Haldilal]

Just like Mao zedong did the 1962 war. After Great Famine of china(1959-1961) there was anti ccp sentiment growing in china so to divert attention he declared a war on india it was one of the key reason(out of many) for 1962 sino-china war.

Its partially correct Nibba but the grand planning for grabbing the eastern parts of ladakh started after the CCP made a firm control over the Tibet. So it was a long term planning and startegy.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Hypothetical question....if Nepal commies causes trouble then how would IA react to it? Do they have big army or is it going to be mostly chinese stooges?

 

[doreamon]

Yes Chinese side have agreed for status quo as on 1 April in exchange for @Bhumihar
RAW has picked him from his home

Always wondered if u r the real sehwag .

 

[mist_consecutive]

Hypothetical question....if Nepal commies causes trouble then how would IA react to it? Do they have big army or is it going to be mostly chinese stooges?

Drop some inert bombs on Oli's residence as a warning.

Nepal is too dependent on us to pose as a real threat TBH. They can surely create a guerilla uprising and pester our border states, but nothing more than that.