India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

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Dhaka witnesses major protest against Nepal PM KP Sharma Oli's Ayodhya comment

Activists from Bangladeshs ‘Jagroto Hindu Samaj carried out a human chain prog at Dhaka Press Club to protest Oli's remarks. The Nepalese PM created a controversy on July 13 stating that real Ayodhya lies in Nepal, and not India and that Lord Ram was born in Thori area of southern Nepal. His...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Oli will face protest from all over the word's.

 

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Looks like Jaishankar gives way too much attention to RaGa. Who cares what this man Child has to say

It's necessary because a lie when spoken too many times without being challenged becomes the 'truth' for many. More so in democracy, you never know when tables can turn, lol

 

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India shifts focus to its air force - Twin threats - The Economic Times

India is awaiting the arrival of the first batch of 36 Rafale fighter jets ordered as part of a $8.78 billion deal signed with France in 2016 in “ready to fly'' condition, meaning they will be made in France. India is expecting four to six Rafale aircraft to arrive in India at the end of this...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

India shifts focus to its air force

IAF lacks numbers to take a two front wars ...

We must ramp up the SU 30 MKI numbers to 300 - 350 involving private players ...

Order two - three more squadrons of Rafale immediately ....

Get some used Mig 29s from countries willing to sell and upgrade them to UPG level.

India have to Ramp up the production of aircraft to 3 - 4 squadrons per year ...

 

[Indrajit]

IAF lacks numbers to take a two front wars ...

We must ramp up the SU 30 MKI numbers to 300 - 350 involving private players ...

Order two - three more squadrons of Rafale immediately ....

Get some used Mig 29s from countries willing to sell and upgrade them to UPG level.

India have to Ramp up the production of aircraft to 3 - 4 squadrons per year ...

Actually, if you want anything “immediately” which would be say the next couple of years, we need to go American. Anyone who has seen how we are getting the Rafales cannot but laugh at the concept of the French doing anything immediately.

 

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Actually, if you want anything “immediately” which would be say the next couple of years, we need to go American. Anyone who has seen how we are getting the Rafales cannot but laugh at the concept of the French doing anything immediately.

Well that is the sad part, the way French are going doesn't loom like we could have all of the Rafale's immediately before 2022. Russian are also not that much of a help, only if we are able to produce domestic LAC Tejas's in large number's, but the drama that is going is a disappointment. Dont knew abou f 16 or f 8 could be delivered, even ordered or leashed's but the problem of infracture training and logistic comes.

 

[LDev]

Something is definitely cooking at Depsange's.

Some four weeks ago an important Division of the Indian Army had started acclimatising for high-altitude warfare and two weeks later, parts of it were deployed at the 18,000-foot-high Depsang plains, a plateau located north of the Galwan valley along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh .

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of China is gathered in big numbers at a place called “Bottleneck” which is 25 km southeast of the strategic airfield in Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO), located at 16,700 feet. The DBO is just 20 km south of the 18,176-ft-high Karakoram pass, which divides Ladakh and Xinjiang in China.

On the Indian side, the PLA’s military objectives could be to threaten a section of the 255 km Darbuk-Shayok-DBO (DSDBO) road, attempt to cut off the DBO sector, which could restrict access to the Karakoram pass and a bid to seize the 20,000-ft-high Saser La, which is to the west of Depsang. It further opens a route to Sasoma and crucially the road to Siachen. All these attempts by the PLA can be thwarted for now, explained an official.

The DSDBO road is a key stretch for this strategic northern-most corner of India – termed sub-sector north (SSN) by the military. The road runs through a treacherous terrain where oxygen is rare. The small village of Shayok, comprising just 25 families, is the last Indian village on this route.

In case of war the SSN road will become unusable because of PLA artillery. The DBO airfield will also become unusable because of constant PLA artillery. So DBO will be cut off from further supplies and reinforcements. So it is critical that a strong enough force be in position at DBO and Depsang to hold off a full scale PLA and PLAAF assault. The PLA will have it's supply lines into Depsang intact, unless the IAF interdicts them. It is also important that the IA breaks out though Galwan, Hotsprings, Pangong Tso and/or Chishul to interdict G219 to compensate/counter the PLA thrust in Depsang.

 

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Actually, if you want anything “immediately” which would be say the next couple of years, we need to go American. Anyone who has seen how we are getting the Rafales cannot but laugh at the concept of the French doing anything immediately.

American fighter jets comes with too many strings and thee is a valid reasons why IAF is skeptical with inducting American fighter jets ...

You are right Americans are the only ones who can deliver jets immediately and some from their existing inventory too in another six to twelve months if IAF decides to go ...

There is need for disruptive change in thinking from IAF side ... Are they willing to take the call ? Still I do not think so ...

Two squadrons of F-35s will change the scenario drastically if IAF decides to go for it ... USA will ensure quick delivery for them ... may be some from their inventory ...

Indian Navy seems will go with American jets for its carriers ...

 

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American fighter jets comes with too many strings and thee is a valid reasons why IAF is skeptical with inducting American fighter jets ...

You are right Americans are the only ones who can deliver jets immediately and some from their existing inventory too in another six to twelve months if IAF decides to go ...

There is need for disruptive change in thinking from IAF side ... Are they willing to take the call ? Still I do not think so ...

Two squadrons of F-35s will change the scenario drastically if IAF decides to go for it ... USA will ensure quick delivery for them ... may be some from their inventory ...

Indian Navy seems will go with American jets for its carriers ...

Remember the, recent comments from the RMAF's air chief marshal statement regarding the F 18's they are only for the show's.

 

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American fighter jets comes with too many strings and thee is a valid reasons why IAF is skeptical with inducting American fighter jets ...

You are right Americans are the only ones who can deliver jets immediately and some from their existing inventory too in another six to twelve months if IAF decides to go ...

There is need for disruptive change in thinking from IAF side ... Are they willing to take the call ? Still I do not think so ...

Two squadrons of F-35s will change the scenario drastically if IAF decides to go for it ... USA will ensure quick delivery for them ... may be some from their inventory ...

Indian Navy seems will go with American jets for its carriers ...

Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Claims American Fighters Are Only Useful for Airshows - Why F-18s Can’t Fight Without Washington’s Permission

In an interview with Qatari news outlet Al Jazeera, former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad provided insight into his country’s experience operating American

militarywatchmagazine.com

 

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Remember the, recent comments from the RMAF's air chief marshal statement regarding the F 18's they are only for the show's.

Going with F- 18s now does not make sense for Indian Navy ... Rather couple of F- 35 squadrons based out of A&N islands will be good with compatibility with Japan, Australia and USA navy ...

Let TBDEF replace Mig - 29 Ks with time ...

 

[Concard]

LOL I said this before and I will say it again here.

Chinese will fire the first bullet just when America is going to elections. That will be from September when Presidential debates start. And Trump certainly doesn't want to be in a position where he has to explain why he has chosen to go to war against China when they haven't threatened US. I said just on the onset of winter things will be different. And the Chinese will take definite advantage during this situation. The fact that they are moving their weapons is a clear indication that they will repeat 1962 like invasion.

As of now Chinese are suffering from floods severely in many provinces. Whatever Chinese are planning will be executed during that time frame I mentioned above. We are still discussing about acquiring this and that. We need to be ready for any eventuality and that includes blocking Malacca strait. Using Air power early in the battle will become all the more important since we will not be firing the first bullet. All the Chinese positions can be wiped out if we use our air power early.

Oh I bloody hope those cluster bombs we bought from USA 10 years ago is still there in the inventory. They can fully cleanse the Chinese from Aksai Hind.

 

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Mig-35s is also a very good options for IAF that will go well with 100 or so Mig 29s ... no special training and it will be an extension of Mig 29s in capabilities with 20% cheaper cost...

 

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Mig-35s is also a very good options for IAF that will go well with 100 or so Mig 29s ... no special training and it will be an extension of Mig 29s in capabilities with 20% cheaper cost...

Well MIG is desperate to sell the MIG 35's if no sales is made they will be absorbed by the Sukhoie's Design Bearue's, so the price would be extreme low, but the delievry schedule is a Concern's.

 

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Well MIG is desperate to sell the MIG 35's if no sales is made they will be absorbed by the Sukhoie's Design Bearue's, so the price would be extreme low, but the delievry schedule is a Concern's.

Very true !! The Mig - 35s capability with that price tag and moreover they have agreed to transfer the production over to India with time is also need consideration...

If there Mig corporation without orders becomes desperate there is a chance of them falling into Pakistanis or Iranians hands ...

 

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Very true !! The Mig - 35s capability with that price tag and moreover they have agreed to transfer the production over to India with time is also need consideration...

If there Mig corporation without orders becomes desperate there is a chance of them falling into Pakistanis or Iranians hands ...

Yes to Iran years they are doing a major marketing ploy in Iran but pak's are out of question, russian will not try to anger India, if they do they lose what ever contracts they have from us. But also in vietnam they are aggressive in Vietnam, may even offer license production if the vietnamese select them's.

 

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Yes to Iran years they are doing a major marketing ploy in Iran but pak's are out of question, russian will not try to anger India, if they do they lose what ever contracts they have from us. But also in vietnam they are aggressive in Vietnam, may even offer license production if the vietnamese select them's.

Russians are building a key component say new improved engine for JF 17s ... Initially they said it will be for limited numbers but they went back and supplied a new engine for them ...

Russians are clever business man out to milk India as much as possible ... India need to understand it and go for a very quick time bound indigenous development ...

 

[Sehwag213]

LOL I said this before and I will say it again here.

Chinese will fire the first bullet just when America is going to elections. That will be from September when Presidential debates start. And Trump certainly doesn't want to be in a position where he has to explain why he has chosen to go to war against China when they haven't threatened US. I said just on the onset of winter things will be different. And the Chinese will take definite advantage during this situation. The fact that they are moving their weapons is a clear indication that they will repeat 1962 like invasion.

As of now Chinese are suffering from floods severely in many provinces. Whatever Chinese are planning will be executed during that time frame I mentioned above. We are still discussing about acquiring this and that. We need to be ready for any eventuality and that includes blocking Malacca strait. Using Air power early in the battle will become all the more important since we will not be firing the first bullet. All the Chinese positions can be wiped out if we use our air power early.

Oh I bloody hope those cluster bombs we bought from USA 10 years ago is still there in the inventory. They can fully cleanse the Chinese from Aksai Hind.

If I was Trump, I would be very angry.
China just did a Pulwama on Trump. He needs his Balakot moment soon.

 

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Russians are building a key component say new improved engine for JF 17s ... Initially they said it will be for limited numbers but they went back and supplied a new engine for them ...

Russians are clever business man out to milk India as much as possible ... India need to understand it and go for a very quick time bound indigenous development ...

And India fall for it every time without fail .

 

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Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Claims American Fighters Are Only Useful for Airshows - Why F-18s Can’t Fight Without Washington’s Permission

In an interview with Qatari news outlet Al Jazeera, former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad provided insight into his country’s experience operating American

militarywatchmagazine.com

Not saying the article is wrong but militarywatchmagazine.com is biased towards Russia and China . and heavily against US .

Some of the articles read like they are from globaltimes.cn or RT.com .

I wouldn't believe everything written there.

 

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Not saying the article is wrong but militarywatchmagazine.com is biased towards Russia and China . and heavily against US .

Some of the articles read like they are from globaltimes.cn or RT.com .

I wouldn't believe everything written there.

But it is available on many site's