India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[mokoman]

US spy planes fly into China airspace during drills for 2nd day in a row

Both the Chinese foreign and defence ministries have lashed out at the US for sending spy planes into mainland airspace during military drills; the foreign ministry has lodged a formal protest.

www.hindustantimes.com

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Did this really happen or did they dream it ?

 

[Kumata]

Did this really happen or did they dream it ?

Well.. .. what you think

In BSDK walon ko apni hi duniya hai.. Eleven's world

 

[tarunraju]

Kudos To AUS,Theyre taking tough stand against cheeni pressure.Way to go

This would also mean Adani (which is digging for coal enjoying state-level patronage), will get shafted.

 

[mokoman]

Well.. .. what you think

In BSDK walon ko apni hi duniya hai.. Eleven's world

looks like they did shoot down , atleast 1

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/292478

These were operated by Taiwan at the time.

Shot down by S-75 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina
They have max altitude of 25km.

US is really playing chicken with them and China cant do shit.

 

[tarunraju]

ROFL-Mao

 

[BangaliBabu]

Too much of military's low, slow-mo flying over my town. It's been like that for weeks now. A good number of them are distinctly gravelly sounds, very non-commercial. Moreover, the flights to-and-from Kolkata airspace are many-a-times taking longer paths after take off and before landing.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

ROFL-Mao

Every Chinese weapon has thick black exhaust it is their trademark.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Too much of military's low, slow-mo flying over my town. It's been like that for weeks now. A good number of them are distinctly gravelly sounds, very non-commercial. Moreover, the flights to-and-from Kolkata airspace are many-a-times taking longer paths after take off and before landing.

Which town? Near Bagdogra?

 

[Yash Patel]

No premature retirement for Artillery soldiers as Covid hits recruitment amid LAC standoff

 

[Bhurki]

Atleast 8 H-6 bombers at Kashgar

 

[Shashank Nayak]

In that case internet will be flooded with fake news from China and Pakistan ,

Cant ban entire internet for everyone in India.

Not ban the internet... but banning social media.. while mainstream news media will be heavily censored... Most people.. including my own family get their daily dose of news from Facebook and WhatsApp... Most dont bother to browse BBC or CNN..for diverse viewpoints.. so India can keep a lid on insidious internet based pressure groups even without an Internet ban..

 

[Shashank Nayak]

US to Cheen : Teri Kehke Lunga

Maan na maan main tera mehmaan...

 

[Flying Dagger]

Everything is evil, but sukhoi is the lesser evil since India can make most of it in its own territory.
No royalties need to be paid now to anyone, even russia.
Also, there's already existing infrastructure that allows to continue its build without any other overhead costs.
Atlast, because it is such a big brute, it has the capability of being highly upgradable and adaptable. Most of the indian weapon tests happen on this aircraft, be it brahmos, astra, guided bombs, other missiles etc.

Not really. High operation cost and still dependent on Russia. The contract make us import all the raw materials from russia and you do have to pay for license production.

And for the upgrade program will have to pay again for license production of engines etc to Russia.

Another thing we already have too many of them and really lack a light multirole/interceptor like Mirage or Tejas with low operation cost.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Apply the breaks and read the whole MMRCA thing again if we are going to buy 120 aircrafts then those aircrafts will be build in india and then production speed will depend how quickly we can produce those aircrafts in india. One huge part of MMRCA is make in india and development of aerospace infrastructure and manufacturing capabilities.
And if we import less than 120 let's say importing 40 F-21 it will be illogical at best because currently we don't have any infrastructure to maintain and support American aircrafts.
And Dassault said that they cannot give guarantees if they work with HAL because of flaws of HAL. But that was not the case if we allow dassualt to work with their chosen indian partner.

And if we procure small number of more rafale it will also protect us from khichidi

Both of you are right. Every decision has its pros and cons.

Rafale will be pretty expensive and later will be hard to maintain when it's production line goes off considering not much of an order book they got.

F-16s/F-21s can be procured second hand too from USA stocks apart from what we will already produce and in case of escalations USA can help us by providing more from their stocks which will be overflowing once F-35 hit mass production rate and start replacing the legacy teens.

The second situation has many ifs and need a very strong relationship with USA.

Best option is to go for Rafale 2-3 Sqd for now and hope Tejas work out well for IAF.

And our khichdi will remain here for another 2-3 decades atleast can't do much abt it.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Not really. High operation cost and still dependent on Russia. The contract make us import all the raw materials from russia and you do have to pay for license production.

And for the upgrade program will have to pay again for license production of engines etc to Russia.

Another thing we already have too many of them and really lack a light multirole/interceptor like Mirage or Tejas with low operation cost.

But the su -30 production lines can be put to good use while also ramping up LCA production in parallel.. This will help us with numbers..

 

[BangaliBabu]

Which town? Near Bagdogra?

mine's in Hooghly district.

 

[Bhurki]

Not really. High operation cost and still dependent on Russia. The contract make us import all the raw materials from russia and you do have to pay for license production.

And for the upgrade program will have to pay again for license production of engines etc to Russia.

Another thing we already have too many of them and really lack a light multirole/interceptor like Mirage or Tejas with low operation cost.

Everything about sukhoi is made in india, and therefore it makes people habitual to know the innards of the jet.
Just check what platform conducts most amount of tests with newest unproven indian weapons.

Sure the raw materials are imported and even the design is entirely licensed, but there is great deal of comfort in knowing you can make it with a pile of raw materials rather than relying on completely built units from france which you cant even take a screw off of without letting the french know about it.

 

[Flying Dagger]

But the su -30 production lines can be put to good use while also ramping up LCA production in parallel.. This will help us with numbers..

They can be used to upgrade the existing Sukhois or for Tejas production.

If we hadn't gone for Rafale then may be yes. But since we are already going to get 3-4 Sqd of Rafale then there is no point . IAF have to fund Tejas project and pay for Sukhoi upgrades too.
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[Flying Dagger]

Everything about sukhoi is made in india, and therefore it makes people habitual to know the innards of the jet.
Just check what platform conducts most amount of tests with newest unproven indian weapons.

Sure the raw materials are imported and even the design is entirely licensed, but there is great deal of comfort in knowing you can make it with a pile of raw materials rather than relying on completely built units from france which you cant even take a screw off of without letting the french know about it.

1. Rafale is our exposure to best of western tech.

2. Sukhoi require more funds to be upgraded as a modern fighter jet.

3. We have Tejas as made in India jet where IAF need to spend it's fund.no need for more Su there

 

[Sanglamorre]

mine's in Hooghly district.

The sound distortions you're hearing is probably just due to the cloud cover. I haven't heard anything unusual from Kolkata either.