India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[DownWithCCP]

 

[DownWithCCP]

Babaji contradicting himself after too many pegs.

 

[patriots]

Chineese will not leave in empty hand.....
They have lost their business...lost their men in clash....they will humiliated....
If they will leave...
Now it's upto India .....
Military level talks didn't work
Diplomatic pressure will not work,as China don't boe to anyone
If India choose s the last option ...then for the first time India will start a war....
Again I personally believe India is preparing itself for the worst situation.....

 

[DownWithCCP]

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Babaji contradicting himself after too many pegs.

Iss Baba ki..

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Vir bhog

if they have avoided earning battle experience for 40 years, why should we give them practice?
they used stones and clubs even when they had a chance to go at it like a professional military, that's their level of confidence in their own PLA troops.

Veer bhogya Vasundhara. Actually, we used to affraid a lot from Pakistan. We hit back after Uri and Pulwama. What did Pakistan do? What did World do to to prevent us to attack Pakistan? These Sort of artificial fears are actual hindrance in giving proper and befitting reply to our enemies. Actually, it helps us in many way. The way we stood up to China has boost over impression a lot in world community. Today, West Middle East and Eastern countries have started recognising India as a formidable power which can we stand upagainst China. So we gain and gain only by standing of firm agaist China. If we saw more daring and kick some China out of Ladakh, the whole world will become our fan and there will be a Masive increase in soft power of India as a peaceful yet powerful nation which can not only defend but defeat any enemies who has bad design for India what we need is to have brave political leadership which has a correct estimates of strength of our enemy as well as of Indian Army

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Iss Baba ki..

What he has said is fully correct. Unless Modi is 100 pc sure of India's victory, he will not go for a war.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

What he has said is fully correct. Unless Modi is 100 pc sure of India's victory, he will not go for a war.

Then, there would not have been any war in history dude.. since you can never be 100 percent sure.
Not that I advocate a war.. My expression was about Baba shamelessly trying to garner more eyeballs or followers with his Nautanki

 

[Bhadra]

Chinese have made a statement towards their willingness to talk...

Whether fruitful or not talks between military commanders have been going on..
Chinese have issued orders to their Naval commanders in SCS not to be aggressive and fire first shot..
China is signalling to talk to USA...
I expect that some honorable solution is likely to be arrived at on LAC before General Ladakh Singh Winter arrives..

One must understand that if talks and threats of coercion and negotiation fail the option of violence (war) is always there. But if violence (war) fails there is no option after that... both sides would definitely be in that dilemma...

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Then, there would not have been any war in history dude.. since you can never be 100 percent sure.
Not that I advocate a war.. My expression was about Baba shamelessly trying to garner more eyeballs or followers with his Nautanki

This is an ideal thinking. When Indira Gandhi told manekshaw to attack Pakistan, he said that he don't fight wars to loose. He said that let him have some time to prepare. He fixed Dec 6th. However, Pakistan attacked India on 3rd of Dec.

 

[ezsasa]

Vir bhog



Veer bhogya Vasundhara. Actually, we used to affraid a lot from Pakistan. We hit back after Uri and Pulwama. What did Pakistan do? What did World do to to prevent us to attack Pakistan? These Sort of artificial fears are actual hindrance in giving proper and befitting reply to our enemies. Actually, it helps us in many way. The way we stood up to China has boost over impression a lot in world community. Today, West Middle East and Eastern countries have started recognising India as a formidable power which can we stand upagainst China. So we gain and gain only by standing of firm agaist China. If we saw more daring and kick some China out of Ladakh, the whole world will become our fan and there will be a Masive increase in soft power of India as a peaceful yet powerful nation which can not only defend but defeat any enemies who has bad design for India what we need is to have brave political leadership which has a correct estimates of strength of our enemy as well as of Indian Army

Ok, "we" go and kick them out of ladakh(37,244 Sq Km) in winter, obviously at some huge human cost. what happens after that and what is the time frame?

 

[utubekhiladi]

Deescalation Hogaya Kya?

 

[Knowitall]

Deescalation Hogaya Kya?

Ha bhai ab lagta hai hogaya.

 

[Cheran]

J20 at Hotan

 

[aghamarshana]

Deescalation Hogaya Kya?

Was waitin for today's quota, there it is..

 

[Sanglamorre]

Looks like a conflagration point like Cuban missile crisis is going to arrive, only this time might be multiple.

Belarus-Russia might see some action.
Turkey-Greece-France might get frisky in the Mediterranean.
Middle East seems ripe for a factional war

Meanwhile SCS seems to be starting to fizzle out. Now it's just Chinese statements and pictures of big, strong missiles while US patrol them.

Will these conflagration points prod India-China-Pakistan in acting?

 

[LDev]

Unlike India the Chinese have a comprehensive institutional memory of their relationships going back all the way to 1949 and beyond and a rigid understanding of what their objectives are irrespective of the changes in the CPC leadership. Just consider that if recognizing Chinese sovereignty over Tibet and bowing out of the P-5 nomination at the Security Council in favor of PRC has not mollified them, will a few more crumbs thrown about adjusting a few hundred or thousand sq km of territory in Ladakh, Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh really solve the border problem? India has to face up to the fact that China cannot be appeased. They have no interest in talks and negotiations to solve anything, the only purpose that talks serve for them is to buy them time so that they are in a stronger economic and military position later to take by force what they intend to anyway. It is high time that Indian politicians realize this and act accordingly.

 

[ezsasa]

It is high time that Indian politicians realize this and act accordingly.

Assuming short term political cycles of Indian electorate has the answer to long term goals of a one party system of an adversary like CCP is not a valid proposition, this strategy is bound to fail as it has around the world so far, otherwise U.S won't be waking up so late in the game.

CCP is practically making fool of democratic systems around the world and taking full advantage of them.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

J20 at Hotan

And they call it stealth. It is a joke on the name of stealth. You can not spot F-35 or F22 untill it is visible. J 20 can be spotted 300 km away.

 

[LDev]

Assuming short term political cycles of Indian electorate has the answer to long term goals of a one party system of an adversary like CCP is not a valid proposition, this strategy is bound to fail as it has around the world so far, otherwise U.S won't be waking up so late in the game.

CCP is practically making fool of democratic systems around the world and taking full advantage of them.

Once it recognizes an enemy the US deep state has a consistent policy irrespective of the party in power at the White House or the US Legislature. The other side of the coin also holds true when the US recognizes a friend, it overlooks many shortcomings in that friend. Cuba is a prime example of the former where it's role in hosting Soviet missiles that threatened the survival of the US has not been forgotten for decades and of course the former USSR where the US did not rest until the Soviet bloc and the Soviet Union were dismantled. Pakistan is an example of the latter. The help in Afghanistan in defeating the USSR and driving them out and the opening up to China for Nixon/Kissinger bought Pakistan a very long rope where many of it's subsequent sins have been brushed under the carpet. US policies towards these countries were consistent over decades irrespective of which party was in power.

In India on the other hand, every PM comes to power thinking that he will be able to do something which none of his predecessors have been able to do i.e peace with Pakistan and to appease China ignoring history because there is no institutional memory. After being punched in the teeth a few times, they all come to their senses. There is no institutional commitment to recognize China and Pakistan as enemies which they are and to work towards their defeat by whatever means including alliances if needed. Unfortunately ideology trumps common sense. "Strategic autonomy" is preferably to "alliance", even if strategic autonomy allows the Chinese and Pakistan sores to fester.