India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Spindrift]

Just for few family members, for some hours. Depleting oxygen level is really a problem there. But what else a common Indian can do ?

In the US the cost of CBRN bunker starts from $19000 and can go up to in millions. In India there is a company in Gujarat that makes such bunkers for around 5L called New Shivam Safetywears Hardware
https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/underground-safety-bunker-15092658755.html

But I am not sure if they offer a CBRN air filtration system, if they don't then if you include the cost of one CBRN air and water filtration\purification system, the whole thing should cost of around 20 to 30 L, not including land.

 

[prasadr14]

In the US the cost of CBRN bunker starts from $19000 and can go up to in millions. In India there is a company in Gujarat that makes such bunkers for around 5L called New Shivam Safetywears Hardware

Per Indiana jones movie, you have to hide in the fridge.
Don't forget to kiss the wife goodbye though.

 

[A chauhan]

The best one can do is hide in a basement (if a basement is there). Most basements in India are unsuitable as shelters as these have large windows and air vents. Otherwise not much you can do except crawl under a wooden bed and use face masks.

Get wooden beds made (called 'takht' in Hindi). And buy gas masks or welder masks.

Decorative beds and box beds do not work well.

Actually they won't save from radiation but blast, somewhat. For radiation we need to go deeper or use 10 ft thick walls.

 

[A chauhan]

In the US the cost of CBRN bunker starts from $19000 and can go up to in millions. In India there is a company in Gujarat that makes such bunkers for around 5L called New Shivam Safetywears Hardware

They must be having other life support systems as well like oxygen stores or generators.

 

[DownWithCCP]

The best one can do is hide in a basement (if a basement is there). Most basements in India are unsuitable as shelters as these have large windows and air vents. Otherwise not much you can do except crawl under a wooden bed and use face masks.

Get wooden beds made (called 'takht' in Hindi). And buy gas masks or welder masks.

Decorative beds and box beds do not work well.

I don't think that we ever have to worry about a nuke strike anytime, the losses incurred during such an event outweighs any gains.

 

[A chauhan]

I don't think that we ever have to worry about a nuke strike anytime, the losses incurred during such an event outweighs any gains.

Americans are crazy for that, I have seen on tv that many people have fallout chambers with storage of lots of food. However enough ot.

 

[Spindrift]

They must be having other life support systems as well like oxygen stores or generators.

Yes, they do. For air and water they have CBRN filtration\purification systems. For electricity, generators, inverters and solar (usually a combination)

 

[cereal killer]

If we think on that line and do some research we could save our civilization from MAD on cheap, since every 2nd house has a well in villages and small towns in India.

Good luck escaping Radiation. Most of the country will starve to death. I heard once that our refrigerators are made of Lead & can almost nullify radiation. Anyways MAD is The End. Noone can survive nuclear winter.

 

[garg_bharat]

Actually they won't save from radiation but blast, somewhat. For radiation we need to go deeper or use 10 ft thick walls.

Actually direct radiation will be blocked by walls. In dense built up areas, ground floor of house will be significantly protected from direct radiation. But fallout and particles in air is another matter. The radioactive particles will persist in air for days.

 

[garg_bharat]

I think we are in a period when anything can happen on the border. Initiative is with the Chinese right now; so it is up to them.

It is hard to say if Chinese will wait till US elections. They may not.

Chinese have already built up their rear areas and moved enough equipment, ammo and food. So they are ready. It is only a political decision left now.

 

[Cheran]

Remember the 30 day cool off period wherein neither India/China troops would withdraw from flashpoint. Wondering if we have started patrolling there again.

 

[Vande1947]

The best one can do is hide in a basement (if a basement is there). Most basements in India are unsuitable as shelters as these have large windows and air vents. Otherwise not much you can do except crawl under a wooden bed and use face masks.

Get wooden beds made (called 'takht' in Hindi). And buy gas masks or welder masks.

Decorative beds and box beds do not work well. You can crawl under a wooden table as well but not a comfortable situation if you have to sleep there.

You can convert one room of your house to a panic room by boarding up windows and installing heavy doors which lock securely. Although this idea is also difficult in India as we have large windows with ventilators. Small windows are easier to board up.

Next idea is to move to countryside in case of war. It is very likely that war will be protracted this time. One year is minimum. So you may need a countryside home to survive.

In my home all beds are box beds. There is no table large enough to hide. All windows are very large. And my house is right in the middle of action.

Unfortunately India is totally unprepared for nuclear war.

No country in the world is 'totally prepared' for nuclear war.Not even those with advanced technology and smaller populations with/without a far bigger empty land mass. The chances of a full fledged nuclear war are next to nothing. Sabre rattling is one thing ( what Pakistan do ) and the bluff is soon called out. actual pressing of the button is another thing--and you are talking of multiple buttons here.

 

[garg_bharat]

No country in the world is 'totally prepared' for nuclear war.Not even those with advanced technology and smaller populations with/without a far bigger empty land mass. The chances of a full fledged nuclear war are next to nothing. Sabre rattling is one thing ( what Pakistan do ) and the bluff is soon called out. actual pressing of the button is another thing--and you are talking of multiple buttons here.

It seems crazy but nuclear war is very likely. And rather soon.

Americans buying shelters are not fools.

We Indians have a habit of ignoring very clear signals.

 

[Bhadra]

Rockets of both BM-21 Grad and Pinaka have faced serious quality issues.

Certain lots of BM-21 rockets saw high failure rates, as high as 30-40% from a particular lot during Kargil so the problem is not with the system but with the manufacturing. Akash missiles face the same issue.

OFB needs to seriously pull its socks up or down its shutters.

A modern automated ammunition factory with far less manpower can churn out better quality and quantity of small arms ammo than all of OFB factories put together, enough to meet requirements of all Defence, Paramilitary and CAPFs.

The much touted Smerch systems are known to have similar, if not more problems but the Russians squarely blamed the Army for poor storage conditions. More problems were listed out in Smerch systems than Pinaka but as smerch is Russian, sab changa si. It is above critique.

Indian Army has again issued RFI for manufacture and supply of ten varieties of ammunition from Private Industry and has given them ten years of guaranteed supply quanties to be ordered.

Nothing can be more than that. The Army has offered them all drawing and designs from DGQA and Army Hq and further assistance,

previous attempts by armed forces has not got any response.

Indian Baniyas want a killing to make. Army then will have no choice but to go far foreign Mal...

Imagine - 7.62 mm Catridge ball. One month's pay of 41 Ordinance Factories is good enough to meet the requirement of payment of small arms ammunition for three years..

Such is the state of affairs... all bright IAS officers should be put as managers of thee factories and let the country see what it means to be an IAS...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Unfortunately India is totally unprepared for nuclear war.

No country in the world is prepared. These are all small things that give a sense of
comfort.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

My home well is some 52 feet deep and has water on 25 feet from top, if a sufficiently thick lid is used perhaps it might work as a temporary shelter I guess I have heard that 10 feet thick concrete is good enough to stop radiation to a bearable limit.

For how many people, whats the expected duration of "temporarily"? You'll run out of breathable air and probably suffocate to death, if you stay there for a long time. If you are going to use that, then probably a few hours, depending on the number of people. The number of hours you can spend in hole will be inversely proportional to the number of people you have.

Buy oxygen tanks and masks you will be able to spend few hours with those things and depth is quite nice too.
You can stay in that well for initial fall out and then move to a different place.

 

[Bhadra]

Can a water well with a lid be used as fallout shelter temporarily ?

Certainly. it would save one from blast waves and maybe heat if there is sufficient water but the threat of radiation will still exist as a lid would not be good enough to deflect or stop radiation.. a double-walled zigzag structure is the best. And if it is near ground Zero then the gushing winds and even heat may suck someone out from a circular well...

All depend on how far away one is away from ground zero and what is the yield...

 

[Knowitall]

It seems crazy but nuclear war is very likely. And rather soon.

Americans buying shelters are not fools.

We Indians have a habit of ignoring very clear signals.

Ghar ki tanki me ghus jaye borewell wala to safe rahenge?

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Good luck escaping Radiation. Most of the country will starve to death. I heard once that our refrigerators are made of Lead & can almost nullify radiation. Anyways MAD is The End. Noone can survive nuclear winter.

There are 1.3 billion people in india. MAD will not be able to wipe all of them and places were underground metro stations are being made also act like nuclear shelters.
We also have big food reserves and it's very highly possible that these shelters can withstand nuclear fallout. Gas mask will be also provided prior to the attack so that public can use them.
Millions will be dead but porkistan will be wiped from the earth and Pakistan have limited capabilities to strike south india and after first strike india can also cripple down Pakistani ability to launch more push.
. Officials state that the country has 58.49 million tonnes (mt) of food grain stock (wheat and rice). Also, there is a stock of around 3 million metric tons of pulses, 1.1 million metric tons of oil seed and 4 million tonnes of sugar. This is enough to provide to ration cardholders and beneficiaries of other welfare schemes all around the year

 

[DownWithCCP]

Ghar ki tanki me ghus jaye borewell wala to safe rahenge?

Abey kab tak rahoge borewell ke ander?