India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[IndiaRising]

The problem is as soon as our jets start there raid, they are going to be picked up by PAF radars. PAF will share this info to PLAF. PAF and PLAF is a problem.

We require overwhelming power to control the airspace around green-zone and red-zone. We cannot push all our jets into this.

The options I can think of is using standoff weapons, like air-launched Brahmos and Scalp and sub-sonic land attack cruise missiles. A pre-emptive strike is advantageous. If we don't do that, than we cannot can pull the rats out of there holes.

1. PLAF and PAF would scramble all there fighters for imminent attack.
2. The windows we would have is 15min at max.
3. Placing two regiments of S400 at Jammu will give us some breathable air.
4. Use Rafael to scan the airspace, push the data to SU30 MKI
5. keep the strikes going in using IA.
6. Using Jamming pods (hopefully we would have software defined radio, because our comms have become a joke) to break multiple locks of JF17 and F16 and fire Astra to break there formations.
7. During this keeping jammer formations active and MKI and Mirage using there speed advantage, close the gap into WVR fight, than use the NEZ of Meteor or Derby-ER or RD77E (not sure) to clear there advances.

Jamming and closing the gap to force PLAF or PAF to a WVR fight is something they cannot win.

We ordered SDRs last year

 

[utubekhiladi]

Now over Indian airspace with Su-30MKI escort.

it looks like MOM and DAD are bringing kids back to home.

 

[scatterStorm]

one small change in the plan.. i would use mkis to act as mini AWACS and scan the enemy airspace. because rangewise, mki have better radar compared to rafale.

Yup could go also that route, AESA because search and track is almost Realtime. Not that PESA can't do, but F16s were seen doing doppler shifts. Doppler shifting is ineffective against an AESA. But yes MKI can scan the range to quite a distance. AESA can lock them and do offensive jamming for MKIs and Mirage squadrons to get close as much as possible.

 

[utubekhiladi]

Yup could go also that route, AESA because search and track is almost Realtime. Not that PESA can't do, but F16s were seen doing doppler shifts. Doppler shifting is ineffective against an AESA. But yes MKI can scan the range to quite a distance. AESA can lock them and do offensive jamming for MKIs and Mirage squadrons to get close as much as possible.

also, we can use mkis as buddy refuelers for mirages and raf's

 

[Mikel]

 

[scatterStorm]

Hoping these are reliable and free from software bugs.. I work in virtualization domain and my experience with anything virtualized on network layer is pretty bad

VNets are pain for everybody, since you can't replace Cisco Nexus Router and switches against an AWS Vnet or Vmware Vnet. Hardware defined networks will always have better performance because of the backplane available.

 

[Bhadra]

Why should they carry out construction during night when it becomes cold during night.... No No No. They are carrying out blasting during night and construction during the day. That ensures safety of construction workers during blasts. It is only our very high paid Jasoos that are not able to go inside and verify what is happening..

Now another headache for GEN RP Singh of Western Command who would be hard pressed to deploy troop there and maintain them... May be air maintained.. that is the only choice or muster all porters and ponies of the valley... The region is rich apple-growing belt and they will not be able to find porters and ponies..

 

[scatterStorm]

also, we can use mkis as buddy refuelers for mirages and raf's

If you are assuming that MKI shifting from Eastern sector to Northern sure. But I am going by the map that @ARVION posted. 15min is quite less time.

 

[Indrajit]

At this time I look at Rafael as addition into strategic nuclar capability till it goes to five squadron force when the will dominate the air space.. till it remain five aircraft you can mate Brahmos with it and be rest assured at least on Pakistani front or as a platform for counter force tactical nuclear delivery anywhere in Tibet..

I also think that we must look at platforms like the Boeing P8 and like the US navy is considering, look at few as dedicated bombers from stand off distances carrying Brahmos or similar missiles. A single plane could carry many such missiles. Now that would be a real threat to Chinese ships or even to their coast while staying well away from their defences. No fighter would match the endurance.

The Navy Wants to Transform Its P-8 Poseidon Patrol Planes Into Bombers

About time?

nationalinterest.org

 

[utubekhiladi]

Now over Indian airspace with Su-30MKI escort.

Dhruv Rathee: what's the point of all these rafales if it needs 2 su30mki for protection?

 

[ARVION]

Dhruv Rathee: what's the point of all these rafales if it needs 2 su30mki for protection?

Any aircraft in the modern Air Warfare's wotk's in the tandem for the effectiveness of the operatione's .

 

[Kumata]

VNets are pain for everybody, since you can't replace Cisco Nexus Router and switches against an AWS Vnet or Vmware Vnet. Hardware defined networks will always have better performance because of the backplane available.

LOL.. We have many vendors ( Juniper / Arista / Dell ) but every one is running to SDN these days.. foolish people... I call it bhedchall

 

[garg_bharat]

Calm Down.... It was not aimed at UAE's Base.... Iranians were conducting exercise with mock Aircraft carrier

It will give USA a good reason to strike Iranian assets nonetheless.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Dhruv Rathee: what's the point of all these rafales if it needs 2 su30mki for protection?

Rafale 2 pilot wala viman tha use 1 pilot wala Bana diya abb dosre pilot ki naukri kahan jayegi fir : Akhilesh Yadav

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Pakistanis are saying Indian ne taiyyara to le liya par pakistani mard e momin hawabaz ka jazba kahan se lega

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Pakistanis are saying Pakistani hawabaz Ki training indian hawabaz ki banispat Behtar hey Alhomdulilah

 

[cereal killer]

Pakistanis are saying Pakistani hawabaz Ki training indian hawabaz ki banispat Behtar hey Alhomdulilah

From where are you getting these Ultra Shakespearean quotes?

 

[Concard]

I think both Congi & BJP will vanish in near future. Congi will be the first of course. BJP will follow after some time. Indian politics is bound to change at some point. As it is different from the one in 50's & will change again in future. Some other kind of political system will emerge. People won't be easy to fool any more & more people will be educated. Hindu resurgence will continue but in some other form I guess. Rest assured things will be very different. I just hope we get a young Visionary leader as country will continue to jostle with decreasing resources & rising population.

RSS was formed in 1925. Even by the end of 1950 they barely had 10,000 members all across India. Did it vanish? They had a political arm Bharatiya Jana Sangh from 1951 onwards. Did it vanish? Yes. But it came back in another form which we now call as BJP. The network of RSS in India is vast. You don't know how far it stretches. These days it is growing at a speed which previously was unthinkable. Whatever political system India will have in the future Hindutva ideology is impossible to vanish from India. BJP today is more entrenched in Indian politics today than Congress. One example I can give you is Assam. RSS workers camped in Assam for nearly 30 years. And in 2016 BJP won Assam. You think Congress has that dedication? Congress did not have the balls to even take a small state like Tripura during their 10 years in power. Once they are wiped out from the state they have never recovered. Where is Congress in UP, Bihar, Bengal, TN, Odisha, Andhra Pradesh? On the other hand BJP grabbed 2014 victory with both hands and went for the kill and made it's mark in states where it was never present before.

Congress is slowly getting wiped out in Telangana, Maharashtra and even Delhi. With their intense hatred for Hinduism they are making many Hindus to wake up and realize they are Hindus and must protect Hinduism from Congress.

 

[garg_bharat]

Dhruv Rathee: what's the point of all these rafales if it needs 2 su30mki for protection?

Dhruv Rathee is an idiot.

This guy has an IQ of a monkey and he speaks on everything imaginable.

 

[mist_consecutive]

So we got 2x 2-seater trainers and 3x one-seaters