India-China 2020 Border conflict

[FalconSlayers]

Iss dalle ko pheko China me, wahi g*ndmast waha pe bardasht karlenge wo log.

 

[perun88]

Ye kya bak raha he
afaik F4-F8 is buffer zone.

These are 2 day old tweets. Most of these points have been clarified by Rajnath Singh in parliament, and on this thread.

 

[prasadr14]

Doubt Shukla Ji and his gang care a crap about the truth.

Their jhanda is only agenda...

 

[sunshine]

We know Chinese more than Americans do mate, we all know what their ideology is, their ambitions are, their dreams are. Only way we can defeat China is to understand their Country.

1. CCP and Chinese citizens have an agreement signed and some of the points in the agreement is economic prosperity and jobs.

If foreign companies remove their plants from China and increase tariffs on Chinese products or directly ban them then they will lose out a huge chunk of employment and economic prosperity which will lead to a civil war in China very easily as then their huge debt bubble will pop.

2. CCP is not afraid of India or America, they are afraid of the Han Chinese who stay in China, if they go against CCP for Democracy then there will be no chance for CCP to survive as their PLA is made up of conscripts, the regular citizens.

3. Blocking their One Belt One Road projects so that their sphere of influence doesn’t grow much after which they can literally capture countries with debt trap. Djibouti is already sold to China.

4. Restricting Chinese citizens to study abroad and asking Hong Kongers to shift their businesses elsewhere.

5. Dragging China into an Arms race won’t be much difficult, it is surrounded by only and only hostile neighbours and everyone increasing their military might including USA would cripple China.

The Chinese never fight, they have lost all wars whichever they have fought and the one they won was due to the stupidity of our PM in 1962, what the Chinese focus more are non-kinetic warfare, i.e, Cyber Warfare, Information Warfare, Proxy Warfare, Economic Warfare etc.

These five points are really typical of China in the eyes of Indian media.
Simplification and evil aggravation
Indian media like to quote Taiwanese media reports and write what readers like to hear.So if you look at the media, China has failed at everything for the last 30 years，All the failed way to second in the world.Data do not speak.If you look at all the data, China has been growing rapidly, if you look at the media, China has not done anything right.

Sometimes it is to deceive their own people, for example, Chinese data are false, Chinese goods are of low quality, all of China are plagiarized such naive words.

 

[sorcerer]

After cooling tensions with China, India to renew ties with Russia


Having reduced tensions with China after the simultaneous disengagement of troops began in eastern Ladakh, India will renew its engagement with Russia that will culminate in a visit by Vladimir Putin for a summit meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi said sources.
Besides dealing with bilateral issues, the South Block is keen on multilateral initiatives with Russia. It will seek to put the India-Japan-Russia trilateral on a firmer footing with the unstated purpose of reducing the need for Moscow to seek China’s participation in the development of the vast Russian Far East rich in minerals and hydrocarbons. A trial run of the Vladivostok-Chennai sea corridor will be followed up by more substantial programmes. India will also be looking to activate its $1 billion line of credit for the development of the Russian Far East.

After cooling tensions with China, India to renew ties with Russia

Having reduced tensions with China after the simultaneous disengagement of troops began in eastern Ladakh, India will renew its engagement with Russia that will culminate in a visit by Vladimir Putin for a summit meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi, said sources.

www.tribuneindia.com

 

[FalconSlayers]

These five points are really typical of China in the eyes of Indian media.
Simplification and evil aggravation
Indian media like to quote Taiwanese media reports and write what readers like to hear.So if you look at the media, China has failed at everything for the last 30 years，All the failed way to second in the world.Data do not speak.If you look at all the data, China has been growing rapidly, if you look at the media, China has not done anything right.

Sometimes it is to deceive their own people, for example, Chinese data are false, Chinese goods are of low quality, all of China are plagiarized such naive words.

Their debt to GDP ration is highest in the world

 

[sunshine]

Chinese people generally believe that the West strongly criticized our things, then we should do is right.
When the West praises us for something, we should be careful, There should be a problem with this thing.

 

[sunshine]

Their debt to GDP ration is highest in the world

We should look at the data, look at the media, one thing, can say good can also say bad, generally will not say that China is good anyway.

 

[Deathstar]

Chinese people generally believe that the West strongly criticized our things, then we should do is right.
When the West praises us for something, we should be careful, There should be a problem with this thing.

What us? U don't even live in China and if u are using VPN ,isnt it illegal? Did u take official permission?comrade

 

[Deadtrap]

Commanders of the PLA Air Force
China Aerospace Studies Institute / Published February 11, 2021

In the era of great power competition, it is important to understand all of the actors. Not just organizations and structure, but people as well. On 27 August 2017, Lieutenant General Ding Laihang became the 12th Commander of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force (PLAAF) since 1949. He received his third star with the rank of General in July 2019.i He is expected to remain in this billet until the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) 20th Party Congress in October 2022, at which time he will meet his mandatory retirement age of 65.
While the PLA is organized differently from the U.S. Air Force, and those of our allies and partners around the world, and it isn’t a one to one match with the U.S., it is important to understand who leads the PLA’s Air Force, where he came from, and who might succeed him.
This report provides an overview of General Ding’s predecessors, his career, how PLAAF Commanders are selected, and the role that the PLA Air Force
Commander plays. It also makes a prediction about the officers who might be eligible to replace him in 2022 are.
We hope you find this volume helpful in parsing the PLA’s leadership, and understanding some of the counterparts to our own aerospace forces.

MUST READ FROM PAGE 77

Cc: @ezsasa you can archive this in “Indian Military literature” thread.

 

[Romediablo]

Is there any seperate thread like chit chat where these visitors from china can spread their ideology. Same gdp Chinese analysis of whats good and bad is getting repeated here.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Chinese people generally believe that the West strongly criticized our things, then we should do is right.
When the West praises us for something, we should be careful, There should be a problem with this thing.

They believe correct , west praise free speech and civil society .
Kill civil society funDed by west govnment, they are threat .
They ruin.
Cheen thinks correct in this regard

 

[maximus777]

They believe correct , west praise free speech and civil society .
Kill civil society funDed by west govnment, they are threat .
They ruin.
Cheen thinks correct in this regard

Ahsan, why you talk like Confucius?

 

[sunshine]

What us? U don't even live in China and if u are using VPN ,isnt it illegal? Did u take official permission?comrade

Very simple, need not what other allow what, the cell phone downloads a free VPN, next OK, what I use is Wangvpn

 

[sorcerer]

China only understands the language of strength. And India so knows it

The pandemic had dented Beijing's image, and Xi Jinping was on a shaky wicket. He desperately needed a geopolitical maneuver to bolster his image.


If talks and terror can't go hand in hand, neither can border aggression and business.


On the military front, India ensured it won't be caught off guard again.


From Galwan to Spanggur to Depsang, India ramped up its defences, activated its entire logistics network, matched China's military deployments, and secured its frontiers
To add to that, India ensured that the special frontier force spearheaded the operation, a force which had Tibetans fighting for India.

India also strengthened its security co-operation, primarily through the Quad -- the quadrilateral security dialogue -- a strategic alliance between the US, Japan, Australia and India.


This is to counter China's aggressive military expansionism.


The group is set to meet soon.


India also held multiple important naval exercises with an eye on China.


China President Xi Jinping hoped that he could simply wear India down.


But India outsmarted and isolated China on all fronts -- militarily, economically, and diplomatically. It understood the gap between China's words and actions and kept the pressure on for full disengagement.


Simply put, India called China's bluff, and dealt with Beijing in the only language it understands -- the language of strength.

China only understands the language of strength. And India so knows it

Two things are absolutely clear -- India has not succumbed to Chinese threats, and China only understands the language of strength. The border provocation in Galwan was perhaps the most serious military challenge that India has faced in decades. It was unprecedented -- in terms of its scale...

www.wionews.com

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[Apollo]

I read a lot of Indian comments and posts, and I found it very interesting.
For example, I am interested in India, I will find the Indian forum community to learn about India，It would be better if I knew Hindi, but unfortunately I only know English.

Indians do not understand China, according to our idea, to understand China should go to the Chinese forum, or Chinese people can also be a large number of English forums, or even Google translation of Chinese forums can be. But the truth is that Indians know China through Indian media, through Western media, and even 99% of the writers can't read Chinese at all.It's like knowing America but not English. All of them are processed and distorted, and there will be a lot of false news.

Are you really ignorant or trying to like one.
Before advocating us on what we need to know.
First understand CCP regime how it keep provocating the territorial integrity of all neighbors surrounded. CCP is known as a bully to the world

 

[Mantospace]

Is IA really vacated kailash range ?? lots of info flowing in twitter.

 

[pankaj nema]

Strong Indian deployment at Depsang to remain; troops to withdraw 2 km each in Gogra and Galwan

At Gogra post, where the Chinese moved in a substantial amount of armoured units close to an Indian post, a similar process will take place. A squadron of armoured combat vehicles are currently in a standoff with a similar Chinese force and the plan here is also to create a 4 km zone, with both...

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[mist_consecutive]

The real threat lies on Depsang plains, PLA holds advantage here coz of its plain terrain. Depsang is strategically important to both countries.
Chinese have been blocking Indian patrols here since 2013, which we cannot patrol beyond the Y Junction. Though this has been happening from before the current tensions at LAC, pushing PLA from Depsang must have been the first priority for GoI. In 2015, PLA had intruded 1.5 km right until their claim line but eventually retreated.

They may aim to capture Saser La pass at about 17,000 ft a road into Gilgit Baltistan through Turtuk and Tyakashi (both on the Indian side). If this (Saser La) pass is captured by the enemy, then they can threaten the route to Siachen.
Any threat to Depsang can mean the Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldie (DS-DBO) road can be threatened.
The 255-km long road connects Leh to the Karakoram Pass. if the enemy cuts off the DBO, it makes India’s control over Karakoram pass untenable

People here asking for a complete Chinese pullout from Aksai Chin in exchange for South Pangong Tso, need to sniff some reality powder.

First of all, Gogra, DBO & Depsang, there is no new incursion. Only troop build-up on border areas, and we have mirrored them with our own deployment. So a mutual pull-back can be negotiated, and if not, we can just dig in and use that excuse to keep building infrastructure. It's a no-win, no-loss situation.

For Depsang plains & Y junction, its story is the same as that of finger 5 & 6. In the pre-2014 era, we did not even care to patrol there, and the Chinese used this advantage. So a pre-2020 April status quo, as being negotiated does not contain Chinese leaving Y-junction in our jurisdiction.

China surprises India with its speed, moves out 200+ tanks from Pangong Tso
By Thursday, PLA had withdrawn more 200 main battle tanks from the south banks of Pangong Tso and had positioned no less than 100 heavy vehicles to ferry its troops from fingers on north banks to Srijap sector, east of Finger 8. The speed of Chinese withdrawal has actually surprised the Indian army brass and national security planners.

China surprises India with its speed, moves out 200+ tanks from Pangong Tso

The outcome was achieved after India stood firm on its position in east Ladakh and its aim of not conceding any territory.

www.hindustantimes.com

hmmm..
And Russian news agency TAS comes up with numbers of chinese solders death at Galwan clash yesterday..
They had this number long back and why publish it yesterday!

well!! something rattled chinese..and India and Russia may have played a part in it..
in a away..it was Russia who assured India that there is nothing to worry about chinese build up at Galawan and its a usual training season for PLA.

This somewhat worries me that we won't be able to match their speed of deployment in the future, hence we should not have pulled back.

 

[pankaj nema]

Brahma Chellany and Ajai Shukla shouting about
Kailash Range on Twitter