India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Lost user]

See below.



I had the same doubt/suspicion. One way to check is, click on Google Earth historic images for the Hot Spring area, go to the year 2018 image. You will see our road which takes a loop at the near-end of LAC, used for patrolling at hot spring area.

Since we have created a road and it looks paved enough that it looks to be used occasionally for patrolling, the LAC must be somewhere in front of it, right?

Now, look at the positions of Chinese tents at Hot Spring.

Can you post the 2018 pic, with reference LAC and the road.. could not find the pic..

 

[Lost user]

Openstreetmap is also showing newly-constructed Chinese camps at hotspring in red

OpenStreetMap

OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use under an open license.

www.openstreetmap.org

Explanation:- It draws roads & buildings according to satellite images.

What about the intrusion in this bowl.. have the Chinese stepped back..?

 

[Lost user]

Can you post the 2018 pic, with reference LAC and the road.. could not find the pic..

Found the gif

 

[Lost user]

Shit man , you are right , i looked up galwan valley .

looks like we are building up in that area , its its bigggg.



for anyone without google earth , here some pics

red line is LAC , left side is us , right side is china ,

its also their official border line, they tried to push LAC and take over area upto their official border.

yellow pin in right top is where our 20 guys fought PLA and died .



images are so hires.

@mist_consecutive when you have time , post an analysis.

Looks like India is taking no chances w.r.t threat to DSDBO..

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

@Abdus Salem killed have a look at F4-F5 map here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/33.7639/78.7583

Did China had a road there before May 2020 there? No, it was updated according to newer construction.

@Abdus Salem killed have a look at F4-F5 map here https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/33.7639/78.7583

Did China had a road there before May 2020 there? No, it was updated according to newer construction.

That's why is say don't post with confirmation see these people have taken your images and furthering Thier agenda

Which means these people are actually reading our content good

 

[DownWithCCP]

That's why is say don't post with confirmation see these people have taken your images and furthering Thier agendaView attachment 82180

Does anyone here have good contact with defense journalists, we can send him those images and ask him to contact the IA for comments.

 

[Abtron3]

You are my bitch now bend over
Say China to Ameriaca.

 

[India Super Power]

Pls tell me guys whether we have lost it or it was with them
If we have lost it then we have failed
Pls correct if I am wrong

Pls reply

 

[fire starter]

Sounds like a G2 bullshit.

 

[Spindrift]

The last thing I want is MI/IB on my tail again.

What do you mean by "again"? What did you do the last time?

 

[ezsasa]

Sounds like a G2 bullshit.

I say, this is a fixed match for public consumption going on, in all probability deal is already/almost
done to share the world without going into military confrontation with each other.

 

[Lost user]

Impressive...
How about buying and storing S-400, and using it only in case of war.. Russia is far behind US today is avionics, space launch systems, artificial intelligence. .etc.. The only major area of competence is ballistic missiles and air dedence systems..

F-15EX offered to India with Exclusivity : AIM-120C-8, EPAWSS, APG-82(V)1 AESA radar, and laser weapons – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[mandestiny]

Pls reply

Chal kya raha hau ? Can anybody tell what actually we gained or we loose ? History shows India always believe in giving.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Chal kya raha hau ? Can anybody tell what actually we gained or we loose ? History shows India always believe in giving.

History may have repeated itself

 

[India Super Power]

Mods please finally tell what's going on, have we lost land to them and by how much area

 

[prasadr14]

Sounds like a G2 bullshit.

I have no sympathy for USA.
Their China strategy is a disaster.

If they try something similar with India, they will get similar reply. Jai Shankar & Co are in aggressive mood now a days.

 

[HawkisRight]

Calm down fellas...jeezz sometimes dfi goes in freefall..

 

[HawkisRight]

Recently latest high-resolution satellite images of the Gogra-Hotspring area have been made available on Google Earth.

1) Hot Spring Area :-

According to the latest imagery (11th Feb 2021), we have lost land to China.

China seemed to have previously crossed with a significant amount of forces and equipment, as the tent marks and clearly visible. Still today, their camp seems to contain around 12 tents and remains unchallenged by us.

A closer look at the same area, Chinese tent marks are visible along with the Chinese camp.

A little inside the Chinese side, they have reinforced with a massive amount of troops and equipment, including artillery and tanks.

2) North of Hot Spring (unnamed area) - coordinate is 34deg. 32min. 23.53sec N 78deg. 38min. 11.57sec E.

China intruded around 2 km inside LAC, starting from Mid-May. But for some unknown reason, pulled-back within LAC limits starting July, and completely went behind LAC by the last week of July.

View attachment 82143

What is baffling is, we have absolutely no presence in that area apart from a mud road, (even now) as if Army couldn't care less.

3) General Area Gogra

Perhaps this all might have made sense if we were at least trying to oppose or confront China by aggressive deployment, but the exact opposite is happening. By January, we started to pull back troops from the Gogra-Hotspring area, which was not mirrored my China.

Now currently, our combined total strength in the Gogra-Hotspring area remains shy of 300, that too may be an overestimation, versus more than 2000+ strength of China in that area.

Resources:- Google Earth
To see the latest images, use Google Earth Pro (desktop/MacOS app), don't click on the historic image button on Google Earth, the latest images are by default visible.

Here's report from IE dated 22 Feb

India-China border dispute: Spotlight on Hot Springs, Gogra in swap of proposals

The latest round of talks follows the completion of disengagement and restoration of status quo ante on the north and south banks of Pangong Tso.

indianexpress.com

 

[HawkisRight]

Some excerpts from IE report which @mist_consecutive will find helpful....

Both sides have agreed to continue with talks, which can happen at “various levels”, they said. “Some forward movement” in discussions on friction points at Hot Springs and Gogra Post can be expected first before any move on the more contentious Depsang Plains, they said.



Referring to the latest talks on the Chinese side of the Moldo-Chushul meeting point in Ladakh, sources said: “All contentious issues, including Hot Springs, Gogra, Depsang Plains and Demchok, were discussed. Proposals have been exchanged and a way forward will be decided after each country discusses the proposals at their end. We may see a quicker result on Gogra and Hot Springs as disengagement at these friction points had begun in July last year itself but remained partial. The success of Pangong Tso disengagement has given us hopes of resolving the unfinished business at Gogra and Hot Springs,” said an official.


In Hot Springs and Gogra Post areas, Chinese and Indian troops are still in a faceoff, nine months after the military standoff began in May 2020. Disengagement of troops in these two areas was attempted last July but Chinese reluctance to complete the process led to a stalemate.

 

[mokoman]

Mods please finally tell what's going on, have we lost land to them and by how much area

We have'nt lost anything , talks are ongoing with regard to other "friction points" , including this one.

we have'nt taken any action like in pangong tso because we are confident talks will solve situation.

they will remove everything and go back , area will be patrolled by both sides.


I know of at least 1 place in arunachal pradesh where we have cross our "official border"

- meaning we have entered chinese land and setup a outpost . so yea both sides do it .



i am only interested because its a good find . havent seen it reported anywhere else.