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But All military reserves are also present in PLA and PAP!!! NCC and sanghis are not armed right,under any reservation system??
In a short war.. the only thing that matters is the number of soldiers who can fight at altitudes above 4000 metres..
If there is total war like world war stretching over years.. then both India and China can impart basic arms and infantry training to tens of millions of youth.. in a short period..
 

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In the finance ministry , there is a section called ( ministry of defense ,finance ) which specifically deals with monetary requirements of the armed forces .
The army was was subjected to regular meetings from civilian bureaucrats who were in experienced brown snobs and without any experience in running a war ministry and infact their seniors of indian civil services era were equally incompetent in this regard .
Basically the bureaucracy had no worthwhile experience in running a defence ministry ( indian officials ) , for they didn't know how one such establishment functions and as a result descisions were taken on day to day function .
 

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LOL Bro Everybody understood what Biden-Harris's attitude will be when Biden first called Asia-Pacific instead of Indo-Pacific.:crazy::crazy::megusta:

Really God Bless Murica..:dude:

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I posted about this in other thread will just elaborate a few things to put things into perspectives ,

This amerimutt chutiyapa is what keeps Indo amreeka alliance very unreliable.Why would it be incorrect to assume that we have not given Russia its due for its friendship. More "Howdy Putin" events needed to have happened. We persisted in courting porky beggars till jem sponsored terror attacks at Uri (Sept. 2016) and Pulwama (Feb. 2019) brought us to our senses. Appeasing China has cost us dear, and serenading amreeka has not made our borders any safer. The Russians have always helped us militarily, no questions asked, and regardless of who says what. The claim may seem facile on the face of it, but there is no better imprimatur than recorded history to shut up sceptics.

Cold facts attest that Modi met Putin a number of times in the last two years, but always on the sidelines of summits like the Eastern Economic forum at Vladivostok in September 2019, at the BRICS parleys 2-3 months later, Sochi in May 2018, and G20 in the winter of the same year. Putin visited Bharat in December 2014 and October 2018, but neither occasion was accorded the status of a State visit. Why? Because the atmospherics would not have been eye-catching, and made these haramkhor amerimutts squirm. And when Chinese 3 futiya manwhores came barking at our door though they got a bloody nose at the hands of our brave men. Russia meets 65 per cent of our military needs. Still the man putin running the country since 2000, briefly as PM, and since 2012 as president, was found undeserving of a “Howdy Putin” moment. See the irony.


From my post in other thread
Above all , Russia’s unequivocal support for Bharat’s decision to change the status of Jammu and Kashmir and accepting our stand that it was “carried out within the framework of the Constitution of the Republic of India”. Oppurtunists amerimutt official response was muted only because of our interests converging not because of natural partners. Amerimutts dont make allies they make vassals. But the prospects of QUAD2.0 also look promising and WE must have a frank word with Russia. They are next on the Chinese hit list. Already a warning shot has been fired over their brow with Chinese claims on Vladivostok. Further, Russia has a long border with China. With its miniscule population Russia cannot defend its huge territories from Chinese expansionism. If put in correct perspective Russia will see the light.
Putin is Bharat’s best bet in the coming years for a variety of reasons, not least of which is the instability plaguing the amerimutt body politic. Though President Donald Trump was outwardly an ally, it would be churlish to deny that his mercurial temperament makes him aashwasan mantri. Trump’s understanding of geopolitics, much less our culture and ethos, is shallow if not non-existent . Biden is 80 years old chinese sellout. Ever heard the Russians utter anything remotely derogatory about any of our national interests? The amerimutts rat asses keeps yelling shit every now and then. And then they also got half dyk laws like caatsa which further poses huge threats to our defence interests. Russia offers geopolitical convergence over a wide spectrum which cannot be overlooked. Russia has also batted for our entry into the exclusive Nuclear Supplier’s Group (NSG) regardless of whether we sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)

So the question is: how do we play to both the amreeka and Russia? That should be our strategy. With China trying to emerge as a bipolar power in a hitherto unipolar world, Russia and Bharat are well placed to influence geostrategies in Asia and West Asia on a spate of issues if they join hands. Only a strong regional balancing force can checkmate Chinese ambitions. There is no reason why amerimutts should object as long as the 3 futiyas can be checked.
 

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I posted about this in other thread will just elaborate a few things to put things into perspectives ,

This amerimutt chutiyapa is what keeps Indo amreeka alliance very unreliable.Why would it be incorrect to assume that we have not given Russia its due for its friendship. More "Howdy Putin" events needed to have happened. We persisted in courting porky beggars till jem sponsored terror attacks at Uri (Sept. 2016) and Pulwama (Feb. 2019) brought us to our senses. Appeasing China has cost us dear, and serenading amreeka has not made our borders any safer. The Russians have always helped us militarily, no questions asked, and regardless of who says what. The claim may seem facile on the face of it, but there is no better imprimatur than recorded history to shut up sceptics.

Cold facts attest that Modi met Putin a number of times in the last two years, but always on the sidelines of summits like the Eastern Economic forum at Vladivostok in September 2019, at the BRICS parleys 2-3 months later, Sochi in May 2018, and G20 in the winter of the same year. Putin visited Bharat in December 2014 and October 2018, but neither occasion was accorded the status of a State visit. Why? Because the atmospherics would not have been eye-catching, and made these haramkhor amerimutts squirm. And when Chinese 3 futiya manwhores came barking at our door though they got a bloody nose at the hands of our brave men. Russia meets 65 per cent of our military needs. Still the man putin running the country since 2000, briefly as PM, and since 2012 as president, was found undeserving of a “Howdy Putin” moment. See the irony.


From my post in other thread


Putin is Bharat’s best bet in the coming years for a variety of reasons, not least of which is the instability plaguing the amerimutt body politic. Though President Donald Trump was outwardly an ally, it would be churlish to deny that his mercurial temperament makes him aashwasan mantri. Trump’s understanding of geopolitics, much less our culture and ethos, is shallow if not non-existent . Biden is 80 years old chinese sellout. Ever heard the Russians utter anything remotely derogatory about any of our national interests? The amerimutts rat asses keeps yelling shit every now and then. And then they also got half dyk laws like caatsa which further poses huge threats to our defence interests. Russia offers geopolitical convergence over a wide spectrum which cannot be overlooked. Russia has also batted for our entry into the exclusive Nuclear Supplier’s Group (NSG) regardless of whether we sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)

So the question is: how do we play to both the amreeka and Russia? That should be our strategy. With China trying to emerge as a bipolar power in a hitherto unipolar world, Russia and Bharat are well placed to influence geostrategies in Asia and West Asia on a spate of issues if they join hands. Only a strong regional balancing force can checkmate Chinese ambitions. There is no reason why amerimutts should object as long as the 3 futiyas can be checked.
Russians know their reach thats why they speak as much as they are...

We have given them ample deals and in return not getting as much in defence sector.

Apart from that we have nil relationship and unless P2P and economic relations flourish between two nation there isn't much Modi or Howdy Putin would do.

Another point being the language barrier while Most of Urban India can speak English same isn't the case with Russian. So if you were expecting a lot of Media going gaga over Putin visit that ain't happening.
 

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Russians know their reach thats why they speak as much as they are...

We have given them ample deals and in return not getting as much in defence sector.

Apart from that we have nil relationship and unless P2P and economic relations flourish between two nation there isn't much Modi or Howdy Putin would do.

Another point being the language barrier while Most of Urban India can speak English same isn't the case with Russian. So if you were expecting a lot of Media going gaga over Putin visit that ain't happening.
Good points but a question . I have heard this many times "But we are not getting as much in defence sector in deals with russians" . What does it exactly mean like ToT or something ? If you could elaborate on it . For example back in year 2020 ,The Russians were to expedite deliveries of the weapons systems under the 14 memorandums of understanding (MoUs) signed during at the Defexpo 2020 in Lucknow earlier this year , Defence deals with Russia are on the verge of crossing $16 billion .
 

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Good points but a question . I have heard this many times "But we are not getting as much in defence sector in deals with russians" . What does it exactly mean like ToT or something ? If you could elaborate on it . For example back in year 2020 ,The Russians were to expedite deliveries of the weapons systems under the 14 memorandums of understanding (MoUs) signed during at the Defexpo 2020 in Lucknow earlier this year , Defence deals with Russia are on the verge of crossing $16 billion .
TOT , Cost benefit and quality fail everywhere. For e.g. Famous Admiral Gorshkov and Mig29k deal .

Most deals are political in nature and done to maintain power balance with west and russia.


They have backtracked on their promises of TOT or offer them too late or slow that by the time we learn out of it it's too late and the world has moved on to another dimension.
 

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No deal for withdrawal and disengagement is possible in all of LAC in Ladakh. Reasons - India will refuse to vacate Kailash heights and China is in no shape to abandon Finger 4, no matter how small their occupation is. Some analysts have given it an unusually large move forward by the Chinese. That got restricted when Indian troops occupied a few heights on top of Finger 4 In early September. Hence their occupation although politically important is not worth much.

What is more important is that India occupying most of Kailash heights putting their base of Moldo in direct guns and artillery range. Also long range artillery puts even their main supply route between Sinkiang and Tibet in artillery range. That is why they want some kind of disengagement in which India withdraws from Kailash range. Remember that two vehicles furlough by the Chinese in Demchok area southern tip of LAC was deliberate and exploratory military move to bypass Indian occupation of Rezang La, Rachin La, Spanggur Gap and most heights above them (Kailash range). That made Indian Military Chief to make a hurried visit to Ladakh two days back. He was there to make sure that Indian defences are secure in the area and no Chinese sudden move would succeed......

Bravo....... Chinese are in a difficult situation also looking for disengagement with better terms. My question to them...... Why did you start this fight in the first place?
 

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No deal for withdrawal and disengagement is possible in all of LAC in Ladakh. Reasons - India will refuse to vacate Kailash heights and China is in no shape to abandon Finger 4, no matter how small their occupation is. Some analysts have given it an unusually large move forward by the Chinese. That got restricted when Indian troops occupied a few heights on top of Finger 4 In early September. Hence their occupation although politically important is not worth much.

What is more important is that India occupying most of Kailash heights putting their base of Moldo in direct guns and artillery range. Also long range artillery puts even their main supply route between Sinkiang and Tibet in artillery range. That is why they want some kind of disengagement in which India withdraws from Kailash range. Remember that two vehicles furlough by the Chinese in Demchok area southern tip of LAC was deliberate and exploratory military move to bypass Indian occupation of Rezang La, Rachin La, Spanggur Gap and most heights above them (Kailash range). That made Indian Military Chief to make a hurried visit to Ladakh two days back. He was there to make sure that Indian defences are secure in the area and no Chinese sudden move would succeed......

Bravo....... Chinese are in a difficult situation also looking for disengagement with better terms. My question to them...... Why did you start this fight in the first place?
The question is why doesn't anybody fight for real.. Somebody please fire some artillery and blow up some people..all this kabaddi and "winning without fighting" bull** is taking a toll on me..:frusty:
 

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Chinese communists in India: Why it is a cause of concern
 

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The question is why doesn't anybody fight for real.. Somebody please fire some artillery and blow up some people..all this kabaddi and "winning without fighting" bull** is taking a toll on me..:frusty:
‘Start a war by firing at them and they return the fire. Much can be achieved by posturing. Physical fight is the last resort.
 

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The question is why doesn't anybody fight for real.. Somebody please fire some artillery and blow up some people..all this kabaddi and "winning without fighting" bull** is taking a toll on me..:frusty:
" The only ones favoring a war are the ones who don't have to fight in it". In this era when tech can lead to mass slaughter of unimaginable proportions, war should be avoided at all costs but not the willingness to fight one. That willingness has to pe shown with calm fortitude and resolve. Shedding blood is the last resort.
 

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" The only ones favoring a war are the ones who don't have to fight in it". In this era when tech can lead to mass slaughter of unimaginable proportions, war should be avoided at all costs but not the willingness to fight one. That willingness has to pe shown with calm fortitude and resolve. Shedding blood is the last resort.
India needs to shed blood, lot of it to become power it wants.

Just one question why the fuxk we need to have large infra at LOC and LAC. Why our enemies specifically porks doesn't have such huge infra. The thing is they know whatever pak does, india will just retaliate kill few and its over.

They rightly believe that we are elephant who has chain in leg, but think it has no power or will to break that chain.

India need to be aggressive very aggressive.
We have military, nukes, money, will, and good leadership.
 
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Chinese communists in India: Why it is a cause of concern
Its a concern..but chinese sponsored media is "making" it a concern.. A scare tactic I would say.
Out int agencies would be aware of such long back and would already have had checks in place.
Despite all this 'chinese" influence,,we are kicking pakistan and china at our will and freedom.
 
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