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Why we shouldn't trust the ruskies.
Well this just came in time i guess...India is in very difficult situation bcoz China is on our door, under Biden us-india relations will not improve,russia is getting close to Pakistan
There many sources that if we buy f18 then Pakistan will have mig35
I don't think russia will go too close to pak as still our 70% weapons are getting imported from russia
Pls write your opinions
is it really a big loss?? most russians weapons have reached their potential and india has other suppliers.https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...india-russian-envoy/ar-BB1c6vJ3?ocid=msedgntp
Ruskies saying openly if we go quad way, pakistan is on table !!!
IMO this is a clear cut sign of us joining hands with QUAD and ruskies realising that their golden hen is slowly going away from them.... More so since we have increased weapon acquisition from Uncle sam and ruskies have lost quite a bit if business. Other hand this might be a indication of post putin era .. So ruskies joining chandaal chaukdi is a bad sign for us sandwitched in between 2 prime rogue nations
indian government has worked hard to keep india as a buyer of weapons and dependant on others.A military that sabotages its own defense industry has no future. The Indian army should be renamed to Import Army. Considering the limited budget and support from the Indian military the DRDO has done a wonderful job, India needs someone similar to the late Manohar Parrikar to push Indigenous weapon systems.
I think we still gave lots of money to ruskies ... so in a ideal world... it's more of a loss to them than us. we have other places to buy better weapons ...is it really a big loss?? most russians weapons have reached their potential and india has other suppliers.
It is a big loss as we will might face trouble in the coming decade.is it really a big loss?? most russians weapons have reached their potential and india has other suppliers.
quite possible that russians are just checking our response to take a call...they knows porkis can give them zilch in term of business and chinese are worse via way of their copy cats...It is a big loss as we will might face trouble in the coming decade.
S-400 t-90 spares for sukhoi russian nuclear tech etc etc can cause problems.
Govt needs to indigenize fast.
Why t-90 and s-400 are yet to come we must cancel these
Russian subservience to china is one of the main reason India moving towards the west. Its amazing how delusional Russia has become, Russia is making alliances with nations hostile to India (China, Turkey, Pakistan) because it benefits Russia and when India does the same, Russia starts whining like a little b*tch , It's completely unreasonable for Russia to expect India to compromise its national interest for Russia's sake.India is in very difficult situation bcoz China is on our door, under Biden us-india relations will not improve,russia is getting close to Pakistan
Pakistan is in no position to afford the mig35. And besides Russia is not doing any charity to India, India pays good money for Russian weapons, Pakistan's defence market and economy is minuscule when compared to India, losing the Indian defense market will be a huge loss for Russia.There many sources that if we buy f18 then Pakistan will have mig35
I don't think russia will go too close to pak as still our 70% weapons are getting imported from Russia
Pls write your opinions
very sad position to be in, imo we will never receive s-400.It is a big loss as we will might face trouble in the coming decade.
S-400 t-90 spares for sukhoi russian nuclear tech etc etc can cause problems.
Govt needs to indigenize fast.
Why t-90 and s-400 are yet to come we must cancel these
They have clearly chosen Chinese side don't know what more proof is needed??I think we still gave lots of money to ruskies ... so in a ideal world... it's more of a loss to them than us. we have other places to buy better weapons ...
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May be ruskies are just throwing a googly to judge how india reacts.... Should they choose to go china way.. for sure they will get step brotherly treatment and that might not be a favourable position for once mighty russians who took on capitalists..US of A
More over, the general public opinion in russia could go against chinese.... they do a history of fighting the chinese bat munchers....
Govt. should cancel s400 cause we would have similar system by the same timeline.very sad position to be in, imo we will never receive s-400.
as long as imported maal replaces things that were going to be imported maal anyway this is no issue as long as logistics,technical superiority and fast and cheap production are maintained.Well this just came in time i guess...
While one can say that ruskies will counter that with MIG 35 to porkis... questions remains if porkis can afford the price tag unless they really want to eat grass alongside their donkeys ...
I too Believe that this continuous selling by boeing is a bit of surprise... But i won't trust uncle sam in long term... so that leave us with French.....interesting times...
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may be ruskies think that we will develop a naval variant of tejas ....
To be fair to ruskies, they did not had a choice either..... they cannot be lone wolf in the pack looking for a herd to tag along... more so when u can only survive by being part of herd only ...They have clearly chosen Chinese side don't know what more proof is needed??
Nobody is criticizing them.. we are just discussing the way they are headed.... By supporting china , clearly they have put a knot in the relations...we never crossed that line... infact current situation can be attributed to ruskies as they gave us wrong intelligence of chinese troops just doing exercise ....I can't understand why people here criticize Russia and advocate to increase strategic relationships with the West. Either people don't know History or diplomacy or perhaps both.
My opinion always if anyone who is worthy of friendship in this hostile ever-changing World is Russia, if not Russia then no-one.
I had said PAK-FA will never come to India and I am almost sure S-400 will be the same . Smerches, KLUB'S etc...were also another where same thing happened . Most deals with Russians are major flops.Govt. should cancel s400 cause we would have similar system by the same timeline.
XRSAM!!!!!
I got your point. but blaming Russia for the Indo-China standoff is wrong and counter productive. Many here ( Not you ) advocating we should not import or cancel orders from Russia. Let me give a view of how friendship with Russia is far better than any west country ( Here I am not opposing friendship with the west ).Nobody is criticizing them.. we are just discussing the way they are headed.... By supporting china , clearly they have put a knot in the relations...we never crossed that line... infact current situation can be attributed to ruskies as they gave us wrong intelligence of chinese troops just doing exercise ....
Rest last part, it was different in 70's & 80 's i am sure you will agree that we have paid back the debt in triple measure .... I believe there are no friends in bigger world forum in post 2000 world.. it's all about u scratch my back and vice versa.. sad but true!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got your point. but blaming Russia for the Indo-China standoff is wrong and counter productive. Many here ( Not you ) advocating we should not import or cancel orders from Russia. Let me give a view of how friendship with Russia is far better than any west country ( Here I am not opposing friendship with the west ).
1) Nehru Panchseal's principle had paid us badly during the 1962 War so we had to have come in one of the superpowers fold So we had two choices either Soviets or USA. Though USA was very against of China even one occasion USA to go Nuke China if they fight with India again. USA was lenient towards Pakistan so India chose to go Soviet block as Russo-China relations were deteriorating ( Nikita Krushchov blamed Mao during a meeting by supporting Nehru on 1962 war ). Soviets Also offered lots of weapons and technologies.
2) It was the Soviets who helped India to break Pakistan into two otherwise this war would have been just the opposite. Soviet literally threatened the USA with nuclear war if the 7th fleet attacks India.
3) Russia traditionally helps its alley with money, Arms, and technology but the same is not true with the West. Americans abandoned Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine, Pakistan, and many more during testing time meanwhile Soviets had even managed Cuba at the door of the USA. So reliability is a big issue when you make strategic partnerships ( Remeber Henery Kissinger famous quote ).
4) Being a permanent member of the UN Russia has also supported on international forums while for the West it is a tool of blackmailing
5) Read the statements of our past and present PM/Presidents these statements are not jokes. When CAATSA passed by US congress Modi went to Russia immediately the next morning to talk with Putin. Russia doesn't have such laws to blackmail its allies.
6) at the present time Russia is facing lots of sanctions from western countries They don't have many options so they keep China at their side but practically Russia don't want a powerful China to compare to India but still, they are managing the balance. Had it been a western country they would have been started giving lectures to us by now.
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