India-China 2020 Border conflict

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As usual, Russia is missing not that it matters here but should give an idea what they are thinking.
 

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As usual, Russia is missing not that it matters here but should give an idea what they are thinking.
Russians have stopped thinking for us, as one said, theres no permanent friends only interests. Russia was our best friend but has got closer to Communist China.
 

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Ruskies are Full on Whoring for China..
Russians know that India will reduce buying from Russia the weapons we used to because Russians were selling a lot to China so anyhow they are inching closer towards cryna and porkistan, ruskies are participating in Aman naval exercise in Karachi also.
 

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Interesting stuff.

I was going to ask why Russia should be bothered too much over the informal coaliting between Japan, Australia ,the US and India.

Could Russia's historical territorial dispute with Japan over the Kuril Islands, which were seized after World War II , be a factor in the country's "apprehensions" ?









China,after the Sino-Soviet split supported Japan's claims to the islands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute



Now,it seems China may be supporting Russia in the Kuril, and in exchange Russia ,with its navy, might be supporting China over Japan, in the Senkaku Islands




" ....the People's Republic of China (PRC) started taking up the question of sovereignty over the islands in the latter half of 1970 when evidence relating to the existence of oil reserves surfaced.Taiwan (the Republic of China; ROC) also claims the islands. The territory is close to key shipping lanes and rich fishing grounds, and there may be oil reserves in the area.....

......... 9 June 2016, a group of three Russian warships and a Chinese Navy frigate sailed just off the edge of the 12 nautical miles territorial zone through the Senkaku Islands for a few hours. Japan has promptly summoned a Chinese ambassador in Tokyo with the demand for the warship to leave. This was the first time a Chinese Navy was involved in the dispute."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands_dispute
 

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There are plenty of leftist Jews like that, especially in the west. It’s a common phenomenon.
Majority of Western jews are Left-Liberals, it's a default.
The Chinese diaspora folks meanwhile are "go with the flow" politically while doing whatever they need/want either way, something their PRC govt and it's spies have also picked up.
It's a good "model" so to speak, your actual intentions should proceed either way, no matter which party rules, or which ideology your wealthy benefactors subscribe to.
 

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As usual, Russia is missing not that it matters here but should give an idea what they are thinking.
Russians have stopped thinking for us, as one said, theres no permanent friends only interests. Russia was our best friend but has got closer to Communist China.
China is the largest investor in Russia in various economic sectors, China is also Russia's largest trade partner both ways after the EU countries.
Our defense purchases pale in comparison because we're absent everywhere else in Russia economically.
If they have to chose between us and batmunching land grabbers, you know who they will chose, there is absolutely no contest.

We are a 1.3 billion people strong, 5000 year old civilization with some $3 trillion dollar economy, our diaspora is one of the most educated and skilled( atleast in Western countries ),
we must stop acting like some 2rs small country dependent on some Phoren Godfather for Arms supplies and "protection".
 

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China is the largest investor in Russia in various economic sectors, China is also Russia's largest trade partner both ways after the EU countries.
Our defense purchases pale in comparison because we're absent everywhere else in Russia economically.
If they have to chose between us and batmunching land grabbers, you know who they will chose, there is absolutely no contest.

We are a 1.3 billion people strong, 5000 year old civilization with some $3 trillion dollar economy, our diaspora is one of the most educated and skilled( atleast in Western countries ),
we must stop acting like some 2rs small country dependent on some Phoren Godfather for Arms supplies and "protection".
Diplomatic support is another thing, I have no problem if they stop selling us weapons but because if they come too close to China then they will sell unlimited arms and weapons to the chinks.
 

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China is the largest investor in Russia in various economic sectors, China is also Russia's largest trade partner both ways after the EU countries.
Our defense purchases pale in comparison because we're absent everywhere else in Russia economically.
If they have to chose between us and batmunching land grabbers, you know who they will chose, there is absolutely no contest.

We are a 1.3 billion people strong, 5000 year old civilization with some $3 trillion dollar economy, our diaspora is one of the most educated and skilled( atleast in Western countries ),
we must stop acting like some 2rs small country dependent on some Phoren Godfather for Arms supplies and "protection".
Diplomatic support is another thing, I have no problem if they stop selling us weapons but because if they come too close to China then they will sell unlimited arms and weapons to the chinks.
I am not that worried, Russia can't go that close to China because well they have their own set of differences but i guess our honeymoon with Russia has ended....lasted too long...
Russia can't leverage Pakis with us but with China they will try that....
 
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Oh looks like Ruskies got upset over Jaishankar's comment
Frankly, keeping the Russians and western nations especially the US happy at the same time is diplomatically not going to work for us anymore. This is mainly because the US is moving to a position where it considers Russia-China a joint pole that is of tremendous threat to the US‘ pole position. Biden’s advisors have clearly said they will go beyond sanctions to punish Russia - such as counter cyber hacking, and other ways that degrades Russia’s ability to continue hacking attacks on the US. Everyone and their mother knows that Russians and CCPandas are jointly responsible for hacking US institutions. Combined with the IP theft sanctions , hacking sanctions, HK sanctions, business sanctions etc. on China, the US has effectively made Russia-China into a declared adversary. Russia with just 145 million people with a rapidly declining population cannot take on the US. So, it has no choice but to align with China.
Now india is caught between the devil and the deep sea. Due to PLA’s immense idiocy and strategic blunder, India had no option but to introduce the QUAD which effectively means the US, NATO have a strong foothold in Asia now backed by immense strength india has.
Finally, we all know that the US does not play the dual camps game. That is, you are either in the US camp or not. India cannot be in the Russian and US camp at the same time. NATO members found that out the hard way as the US threatened defunding (shutting down ) NATO, and then sanctioned Turkey under CAATSA.
India has very significant cards to play with the US. India’s large market size is the new oil. And US companies want a big piece of that. India must negotiate preferential access for US companies in India in exchange for top technology transfer (including jet engines , scramjets, EMALS, space technology like rovers, semi cryogenic engine, 7-10nm chip design, autonomous technologies, drones and drone swarms, EMP weapons etc. ) and joint research into future weapons.Now how much US will transfer to India will squarely depend upon how much money the US can make out of Indian markets and how quickly they can ramp up their own defense preparedness using cheaper Indian labor. This is a major reason reason why we need to become a $5-6 trillion economy in double time. Without this size, the US will not be attracted enough to make strategic deals.Without this size, we won’t be considered a serious adversary. Also, at this economic size, Russia will also benefit from India’s immense markets and will have to listen more to India’s strategic concerns such as no major weapon sales to Porkis.
India is really the wild card IMHO. If India becomes a huge economy, everything in Asia and beyond will change considerably. If India degrades to become the next Africa, then we will simply be ignored like Africa is by the major powers and will continue to play low intensity games with Pakshitstan, with both countries acting as pawns of major powers.
 

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I am not that worried, Russia can't go that close to China because well they have their own set of differences but i guess our honeymoon with Russia has ended....lasted too long...
Russia can't leverage Pakis with us but with China they will try that....
Our domestic arms sector is shit. And there is no support for them also. LCH is not ordered yet, when will it enter production? When Attack helos will become outdated?
 

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Diplomatic support is another thing, I have no problem if they stop selling us weapons but because if they come too close to China then they will sell unlimited arms and weapons to the chinks.
They ARE close to the Chinks.
They are also OK with the Chinese stealing their tech after buying just 10 pieces of whatever aircraft or other product they design only to reverse engineer and clone it, because they are too dependent on Chinese money in other fields.

Under Budhen rule, more pressure will be applied on Ruskies, pushing them further into Chang's loving arms.
 

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Our domestic arms sector is shit. And there is no support for them also. LCH is not ordered yet, when will it enter production? When Attack helos will become outdated?
Russia still earns billions by selling us arms so it is not going to stop, but we will as we are seeing diversify our sources and your question about procurement of indigenous systems well we wish we had any answer for that....
 

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I think Biden is not good for India so, can anyone can explain how India Russia and China will react under him
 

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Chinese General Zhao Zongqi, man behind violent Ladakh clashes removed

Xi Jinping has replaced him with General Zhang Xudong, who has never served along the Indian border.


The People's Liberation Army's Western Theatre Command oversees the China-India border.


why is chinese putting their tail between the legs and cowering?
 
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