India-China 2020 Border conflict

[skrivetelugu]

was the galwan river blocked released to make the killing of 20 indian soldiers look like a natural act? they have thrown boulders too if i remember!

 

[another_armchair]

Michele Flournoy and her co-writer have minced no words in laying out the Chinese threat threadbare.
Short, crisp and to the point. If she indeed heads the Pentagon, I can say our AcheDin may continue. Depends on what the Dems have in mind.

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[12arya]

India On Verge Of Losing The Holy Kailash Range To China As Demands Grow Not To Abandon It Again?

The Indian media recently reported that Indian and Chinese military commanders were nearing a ‘breakthrough’ in the negotiations to mutually disengage from the tense situation at the eastern Ladakh border. F-35 vs F-15: Why Qatari F-15 Eagles ‘Stand No Chance’ Against Israeli / Emirati F-35...

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India On Verge Of Losing The Holy Kailash Range To China As Demands Grow Not To Abandon It Again?


The Indian media recently reported that Indian and Chinese military commanders were nearing a ‘breakthrough’ in the negotiations to mutually disengage from the tense situation at the eastern Ladakh border.


The top Indian defense officials were quoted to have said that the two countries were finally proposing to pull-back troops, tanks, howitzers and armored vehicles in the Pangong Tso area.

In the eighth round of high-level military talks that took place on November 6 between the armies of the two countries, Indian media claimed that China had agreed to move its troops back to Finger 8, which was the original position of its troops before April 2020.

The Indian government is also reported to have claimed that the negotiations ended with both sides accepting to declare the Finger 4 and Finger 8 a ‘no-patrol’ zone for both the armies.
The Indian troops seized control of dominating heights on the strategically important Kailash Range during the night of 29 August, a move that infuriated the Chinese.

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has since then been adamant and has persistently demanded that disengagement must begin with the Indian troops withdrawing from the Kailash Range because India has ‘altered the status quo’.

Mount Kailash

Indian troops rushed to occupy positions on the Kailash Range to deny any further strategic advantages to the Chinese and halt their advances into the Indian territory and prevent them from altering the status quo.
What the Indian media failed to report was that the proposed new agreement entailed a difficult decision for India, which is to withdraw its troops from the Kailash range. The entire Kailash range is being converted into a buffer zone, disallowing the troops from both the sides to patrol it.

According to Lt Gen H S Panag, who has served more than 40 years in the Indian army as GOC in Northern Command and Central Command, “It seems to be a quid pro quo agreement for the PLA to withdraw east of Finger 8 (north of Pangong Tso) and us withdrawing from the Kailash Range.”
Writing for The Print, HS Panag says, “It is pertinent to mention that all buffer zones which are likely to be created are on our side of the LAC, denying us the right to patrol, deploy or develop infrastructure, which we had up to April 2020. Given the yawning differential between the military capabilities in China’s favor, this kind of agreement was inevitable.”He adds that the Kailash Range is one area where the alignment of the 1959 Claim Line offers a major strategic advantage to India, and for the first time since 1962, we are holding it in strength.
“This, negates the strategic advantage the PLA had gained due to its preemptive operations in the Depsang Plains, Hot Springs-Gogra and north of Pangong Tso.”

The two countries had fiercely fought for Kailash Range in the 1962 war, which the Indian troops had to abandon due to lack of force strength and psychological games played by China. Lt. Gen. Panag believes that in 1962, the Indian Army had psychologically collapsed and abandoned the Kailash Range and Chushul Sector when, militarily, there was no need to do so.

Lt. Gen. Panag blames the 1962 withdrawal on flawed strategic planning, weak leadership and lack of reconnaissance efforts by the Indian army to study troop strengths on the other side.
“Today we must not pull back from it merely to declare a political victory. More so, when we gain very little in return. What more can the Chinese want?”, he writes in the scathing article.

Other than its strategic advantages for India, the Kailash ranges are considered holy in the Hindu religion, practiced by the majority of people in India. The ranges stretch from Mount Kailash in Tibet till south of Pangong Tso lake including Rechin La, Mukhpari, Gurung Hills and Magar hills are thought to be about 450 km across.

It would be a fatal mistake to Withdraw from Kailash range now and help out the Chinese. In 1962 also the Chinese were trying to secure the Kailash range. We had Vacated it in panic Because we were then Worried sick about losing Leh. we cant repeat that error
— Maj Gen (Dr)GD Bakshi SM,VSM(retd) (@GeneralBakshi) November 13, 2020

The Indian Army again took control of roughly 60-70 km of the Kailash Ranges along the RechinLa, Mukhpari, Magar and Gurung Hills upto Hainan coast on Pangong Tso lake, on 29-30th August 2020.
The Indian pilgrims used to visit Kailash Mansarovar from Ladakh via Demchok but the route now stands closed after Tibet was illegally occupied by China, which is where the holy abode of Lord Shiva lies now.
The state-based Global Times, essentially the mouthpiece of the Chinese government, quoted its government saying that the two countries were about to implement a disengagement plan under reciprocal principle with the premise that India should firstly withdraw staff who illegally crossed lines on the southern side of the Pangong Tso Lake, which includes the Kailash Range.

It mentioned that the ‘disengagement plan’ reported by the Indian media was not accurate and that India has always had “unrealistic” ideas about the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and disregarded history, “unilaterally believing that Fingers 4 to 8 are its patrolling areas, and has sought to gain bargaining chips in talks by fishing for interests in the disputed border area.”

Why there are contradictory reports by the media groups of the two countries is unknown, however, the Indian side seems to have conceded to withdrawing from strategic positions, which is most likely going to displease the masses in India, and even the pro-government population for the sentimental value attached to Kailash.

Another Indian military expert wrote that it seemed the Modi government “was willing to give away the Kailash range to the PLA on a plater” as a price for taking the September 10 Moscow agreement forward.
There is genuine concern among the Indian political and military analysts that if the strategically important mountain range is lost, the PLA may never let India take it back. So, it’s going to be challenging for the Modi government to maneuver the country out of this deadlock, where it stands between a rock and a hard place.

 

[shade]

EurasiaTimes and Asia Times are chong shill websites known to publish anti India articles

Good 12arya posted the whole article, no need to give them clicks.

Also lol that article they quote Panag and anonymoose “sources” to back their claim

 

[Tactical Doge]

Please laugh or cry

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How 'bout both

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

And rest 60 pc will be grounded in next decade. Chinese mall.

Some of These chinese jets also have fractures,does that make them inoperable forever or permanently reduce their life time in service.becaise you can bet of the jf17 is grounded,then PAF is properly f**ked as they are counting on jf 17 to be their bread and butter ,their other ac are really old and will have to be mass retired or kept in storage not to mention most are obsolete by our standards.

 

[Deadtrap]

 

[johnq]

India should not make any disengagement agreement with China. China is having a very tough time with their deployment at the LAC. By putting forward this proposal, China has blinked, because it's desperate to pull its troops back during the winter. All India has to do is to wait China out during the winter, because Chinese will pull back on their own as things get worse. I only hope that the Indian negotiators can see this, and call China's bluff. After China pulls back during the winter, India can at the very least reclaim area on Indian side of LAC, and maybe a few bonuses. Victory is within India's grasp, unless Indian bureaucrats decide to throw it away with a foolish agreement that China will eventually break anyways to backstab India.

 

[johnq]

We could see action between December and March with active support from Quad if at all things go kinetic.

All hope is not lost and Russia is likely to take a neutral stand but if Quad and US get involved, Russia will likely side with China. That's the grapevine doing the rounds.

Russia will never side with China against a partner like India. Russians doesn't really trust China, it's more a temporary relationship of convenience against the west. India-Russia relationship is more long-term, while India's relationship with US/Quad is more temporary and mostly because of China. After all, the US was supplying F-16s and AMRAAMs to Pakistan earlier, and put sanctions on India after the nuclear tests.

 

[ganesh177]

We could see action between December and March with active support from Quad if at all things go kinetic.

All hope is not lost and Russia is likely to take a neutral stand but if Quad and US get involved, Russia will likely side with China. That's the grapevine doing the rounds.

Even if quad is supporting india, it will be hell of a difficult task for Russia to do anything that will harm india. If they do anything stupid then kiss a goodbye to india forever.

 

[Cheran]

And yes, as reported, a thinning of positions along the Kailash Range seems to have been agreed upon and will likely precede the disengagement on the North Bank of the Pangong Tso.

via Saurav Jha Twitter

Hope not true.

 

[NAMICA]

And yes, as reported, a thinning of positions along the Kailash Range seems to have been agreed upon and will likely precede the disengagement on the North Bank of the Pangong Tso.

via Saurav Jha Twitter

Hope not true.

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Chutiya kata liya phir se.

 

[FalconZero]

And yes, as reported, a thinning of positions along the Kailash Range seems to have been agreed upon and will likely precede the disengagement on the North Bank of the Pangong Tso.

via Saurav Jha Twitter

Hope not true.

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precede? Why? Weren't chiense suppose to go back first? If chinese are not cleaning up Depsang region then why are we thining the Kailash range regions? Especially when all of the positions are well within the our side of LAC....WTF is going on rn. Also, where's a source for his tweet? What does 'as reported', who reported?

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

And yes, as reported, a thinning of positions along the Kailash Range seems to have been agreed upon and will likely precede the disengagement on the North Bank of the Pangong Tso.

via Saurav Jha Twitter

Hope not true.

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Oh thou nameless wretched babu of defence ministry , why ye not adoreth thyself with the garment which covers thy wife's bosoms .
Why ye never wearth bangles and shaketh them in front of thy masters from chinas

 

[Cheran]

precede? Why? Weren't chiense suppose to go back first? If chinese are not cleaning up Depsang region then why are we thining the Kailash range regions? Especially when all of the positions are well within the our side of LAC....WTF is going on rn. Also, where's a source for his tweet? What does 'as reported', who reported?

1. As i understand, the issue at Depsang predates the current standoff at Pangong Tso. So it *could* be taken up later
2. Yes, you are correct, Chinese need to rollback their formations/structures first as they started this
3. He himself as reported this some time back
4. There are conflicting news coming out with respect to this "disengagement", need to wait & see
5. Also this 'buffer zone' is within our perceived LAC

 

[NAMICA]

More money to bat munchers.

 

[Cheran]

Rajpaksa Bros. Xinnie the Chooh ke kutte hai, what else do you expect?

Well well well, ChuChi Admiral Zheng He's "treasure chect" is just of Sri Lanka.

Now Sri Lanka and shiet is ours

 

[FalconZero]

More money to bat munchers.

China already has FTA with all those nations, without countries like India or USA, RCEP is pretty much useless...thank god we are not part of it and have FTA with the concerned countries directly.

 

[FalconZero]

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Well well well, ChuChi Admiral Zheng He's "treasure chect" is just of Sri Lanka.

Now Sri Lanka and shiet is ours

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Chinkis are literally pests...

 

[NAMICA]

China already has FTA with all those nations, without countries like India or USA, RCEP is pretty much useless...thank god we are not part of it and have FTA with the concerned countries directly.

Yes only dog eating communities would benefit from this shitty agreement.