India-China 2020 Border conflict

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He made a joke post that we lost Chusul , that it was occupied by PLA now . chusul lies right on LAC , a bit distance from Chinese positions.

It was picked up by a chinese guy from a chinese defence forum , he thought it was real .

From chinese forum , it spread to weibo , twitter .
Ya'll Nibbiars That was a classic. Still many people in the Mlecchas side think they captured the Chushul Airstrip. :pound::pound::pound::pound: :pound:
 

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Nepal admitting it will be akin to a husband accepting that he got AIDS from a 10$ prostitute in front of his family while cheating on his wife.

But they will have to accept it someday, and that's what makes it fun for India. Or if Oli keeps playing for China, we will just release the satellite images and run media stories. Let Oli's govt. face the heat from his local public :playball:
Isn't bad for india ?
China gobbling nepal bit by bit. Nepal and india both will be looser in this. Nepal should have been with indian union,oh well one more lost opportunity.
 

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Well.. they are not infantry in the first place.. We must have these chumps in the BSF and ITBP train under the Army, so that they can relieve the Army in certain duties..
Yes they aren’t infantry but the jobs of CAPFs are like the Military only, thats why they all should be well equipped and well trained to support the army and overpower the enemies.
 

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Ya I remember!!!
I remember the name bhumihar now.
mujhe abb yaad aaya ki yeh hai wahi bhumihar jiska post viral hua thha aur china ki ek journalist ne usse twitter pe daala tha😂.
yes I remember it absolutely.
That was a Paki Mullah who is using a probably stolen chinese identity.
 

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PLA is obsessed with US armed forces and Hollywood. And these things tend to happen. When you wanted to represent yourself as an expert in something but in reality you know nothing about it. :dude:

The mighty PLA this and that it's just an illusion.

@Haldilal What stolen identity bro?
Ya'll Nibbiars Eva Zheng. That twitter accounts is run by a paki mullah using a Stolen Chinese Identity.
 

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Stolen nahi, made up
Farhan Virk operates this #SAUSMF in which he creates fake Chinese, Nepali, Bhutanese, Pakistani, Afghan, Russian, Bangladeshi, Azerbaijani, Indian, Sri Lankan accounts for propaganda against India and PIB Has busted many fake news from such accounts but doesn’t ask twitter to take action against these accounts like irmak idoya, amanda chathu, michail boris, druk namgyel etc etc.
 

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Farhan Virk operates this #SAUSMF in which he creates fake Chinese, Nepali, Bhutanese, Pakistani, Afghan, Russian, Bangladeshi, Azerbaijani, Indian, Sri Lankan accounts for propaganda against India and PIB Has busted many fake news from such accounts but doesn’t ask twitter to take action against these accounts like irmak idoya, amanda chathu, michail boris, druk namgyel etc etc.
Even if they tell Twitter you think kuch hoga?
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Bans are only for RW people.
Baaki sab Jihadi, Librandu, Commie sab absolutely halal hai
 

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I disagree.

We shoudl not take on any of them but actually gurantee their security in return for some benefits.

It is better so we allow different systems to evolve and learn from the experience. That way we won't have homogeneity and get the strengths of diversity.
"Guarantee their security" from whom exactly? the people in these countries think( or are engineered into thinking ) that India is their #1 enemy, Oli, Rajapaksa etc then use these sentiments to get into power.

Lol @ diversity is strenght.
"diversity" in this country is it's biggest curse, it's a cross to bear since even massive social engineering projects by GoI will never able to truly unite this country.

If we had homogeneity, atleast in the sense of one group having some 60% majority perhaps we wouldn't have been invaded and humiliated for 1200-1500 years by assorted foreign invaders.

The Republic of India is a "compromise" between the Dwija Hindus, Ambedkarite Dalits, Momineen, and others, just look at the flag, I don't need to tell you what the colors mean, and the Ashok Chakra is an Ambedkarite Dalit symbol apparently, even blue is their color I guess.

The fact that we don't have a uniform civil code is again another display of the apparent "strength" of diversity.
This diversity is perhaps behind the reckless selfish behavior of most Indians, the bribe taking and enriching of self and family at the expense of others since so many years, inspite of 1.3 billion people we are all atomized here in form of mazhab, language group, jaati, kul etc
 

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Chinese would know how to render s400 ineffective.

Swamy is not wrong, as the system is very expensive. You cannot take the risk.

At least it cannot be deployed at the border.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. From what I've heard, the S-400 sold to China has radars (and related electronics) that are limited to "baby" mode. It also makes sense because Russia does not trust China, regardless of whatever political statements the Russians might make. The Russians are not about to give the secret family recipe to the Chinese, and the Chinese electronic warfare abilities are rather limited, even compared to India; forget about the Russians.
 

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I wouldn't worry too much about it. From what I've heard, the S-400 sold to China has radars (and related electronics) that are limited to "baby" mode. It also makes sense because Russia does not trust China, regardless of whatever political statements the Russians might make. The Russians are not about to give the secret family recipe to the Chinese, and the Chinese electronic warfare abilities are rather limited, even compared to India; forget about the Russians.
Ya'll Nibbiars ye kya ho raha hai ye kya ho raha hai. Kuch nahi sirf Mlecchas ki barbadi ho rahi he.
 

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I still dont understand why Nepal and Bhutan are not parts of India or even Sri Lanka for that matter. We keep talking about PoK and all whereas it is much easier to assimilate Lankans, Nepalese and Bhutanese in the country due to common culture and religion.
It is only a matter of time now. Nepal is turning into another Tibet. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with a PLA garrison in Kathmandu fairly soon. Nepal will soon have a choice to make; fight for its freedom and join forces with India, or become another Tibet. PLA has already placed soldiers and equipment at key areas in Bhutan. I think Bhutan is much more likely to want to join India as an alternative to becoming another Tibet; but India will then have to actively fight and kill the Chinese as mere posturing and moving soldiers around will not work. The governments of India, Nepal, and Bhutan need to understand that the CCP doesn't mind sacrificing its soldiers to achieve its objectives. The only way to stop the takeover of these territories by the Chinese is to fight and decimate the PLA.
 

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Meet Cheeni's HAL & NAL in one XL dangerous package.

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Why Chinese aerospace giant AVIC, at risk of US sanctions, is a challenge for India

Defence experts say AVIC is a huge company that makes a plethora of equipment and is self-reliant, which is a challenge, given India’s LAC stand-off with China.


New Delhi: Aerospace giant Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) finds itself in the spotlight after news agency Bloomberg reported that it could be the next target of a United States crackdown.

The state-owned conglomerate, which has 100-plus subsidiaries and 450,000-plus employees — reportedly more than aerospace giants Boeing and Airbus combined — has over the years manufactured fighters, attack helicopters and transport and surveillance planes. Some of these were put on air display at the 70th anniversary celebrations of the Communist Party’s rule in China last year.

In June, the US put AVIC in a list of firms controlled or owned by the People’s Liberation Army, but the Bloomberg report said AVIC could join Huawei Technologies, ByteDance’s TikTok and Tencent Holdings’ WeChat as a target for US sanctions.

AVIC’s prowess is not just limited to military aircraft. The company’s website also details its other businesses, including making airliners and private jets with parts manufactured in joint ventures with American companies. It has diversified and expanded into finance services, automobiles, construction of airports, railroads and bridges etc. too.

At a time when India is locked in a stand-off with China at the Line of Actual Control in eastern Ladakh, multiple defence experts ThePrint spoke to said AVIC is a challenge for India due to its sheer size and the plethora of equipment it manufactures, and its self-reliance in defence technology.

ThePrint delves deep to explain what AVIC does, the story of its growth, the possible relevance of US sanctions, and how AVIC affects India.

Also read: ‘Make in India has failed in defence sector’ — experts highlight importance of self-reliance

AVIC’s military development
AVIC, in its current form, came into existence in 2008 through the restructuring of the China Aviation Industry Corporation Ι (AVIC Ι) and the China Aviation Industry Corporation ΙΙ (AVIC ΙΙ).

The burgeoning AVIC has, over the years, developed a range of fighters, choppers, transport and surveillance aircraft, aside from a range of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) or drones in recent times.

Some of the most well-known aircraft and equipment manufactured by AVIC and its subsidiaries include the J-20, J-10, JF-17 and FC-31 fighters; the Y-20 and Y-9 transports; the Z-9, Z-10, Z-19 and Z-20 helicopters; the PL-5, PL-9 and TY-90 missiles; the LS-6 bomb and the Wing Loong I & II drones.

The key AVIC machines in China’s PLA Air Force (PLAAF) include the J-20 stealth fighter and the Z-19E attack helicopter.

The Chengdu J-20, also known as ‘Mighty Dragon’, is a single-seat, twin-jet, all-weather, fifth-generation fighter aircraft that has stealth capabilities. Meanwhile, the AVIC’s website describes Z-19E as a dedicated attack helicopter which can be stored with advanced anti-tank missiles, air-to-air missiles, aerial rockets, and can attack enemy ground targets such as tanks, armoured vehicles and enemy air targets.

ThePrint had also reported about China’s indigenously developed military transport aircraft, the Y-20, which is being built in significant numbers. The strategic location of these aircraft at Qionglai — an important strategic transport airbase — gives China exceptional aerial capabilities against India.

Another aircraft AVIC makes is the JF-17, a light multi-role fighter jointly developed by China and Pakistan, which is equipped with beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile capability as well as air-to-surface attack capability.

AVIC’s inventory also has a range of UAVs such as Harrier, SW1, Nighthawk for intelligence surveillance reconnaissance (ISR) roles and other activities. Wing Loong I & II can also be used as combat drones UCAVs.

Also read: Apart from FDI limit increase, Modi govt’s defence reforms won’t boost ‘Make in India’

How India stacks up against AVIC equipment
India’s answer to the JF-17 is the indigenously developed Light Combat Aircraft ‘Tejas’, which has been inducted into the Indian Air Force (IAF). However, the force is yet to place an order for 83 of these aircraft that it plans to buy.

Another indigenously developed machine inducted into the IAF is the Advanced Light Helicopter ‘Dhruv’, while the Light Combat Helicopter was also recently tested at Leh.

On the development front, India’s AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) programme — a fifth generation-plus fighter — is expected to take seven years, though the IAF has planned two squadrons of the AMCA Mark 1 and five squadrons of the AMCA Mark 2.

A senior IAF officer said that the AVIC is bigger than some of the best known defence companies of the world combined, and India has a long way to go to match it.

“The sheer size can’t be matched by any other organisation. In terms of indigenous defence technology, India has achieved some, but it will take some time to reach China’s level, because they have invested heavily on defence production through the AVIC,” the officer said.

The officer said self-reliance in defence technology is achieved by very few countries, such as the United States, France and Russia, and China has virtually reached that point through the AVIC, though it still lacks in certain core technologies.

“During a war, it is self-reliance which matters, as a country is not dependent on anyone. India has started on that, but there is a long way to go,” the officer said.

“Availability of spare parts and capabilities to replace machines are of vital importance to sustain in a war, and your indigenous industries play a big role in that,” he added.

“AVIC has multiple subsidiaries which can make multiple custom-made products for China based on its immediate requirements. So, it is something India should watch out for in the years to come,” the officer added.

Another senior IAF officer told ThePrint that technology is the game-changer in the modern battlefield. “India and China have been at loggerheads since April, so the looming fear of US sanctions on AVIC would add to the international pressure to curb Chinese intrusion in technology and industry,” the officer said.

“Most of the weapons are being manufactured by AVIC and its subsidiaries in-house, with little assistance from outside. The effect on AVIC due to US sanctions can be understood only once sanctions are imposed and the future of existing projects is defined,” the officer added.

A third senior IAF officer said aircraft engine manufacturing technology is limited to a few countries because of the superior metallurgy required, and the complexity of manufacture and R&D. India’s Kaveri engine programme was also stalled because of technological hurdles.

What India needs to do
Vishal Nigam’s book Dragon in the Air, which talks about the transformation of China’s aviation industry and the PLAAF, states that a few experts have described the evolution of China’s aviation industry as the third leg of the world’s aviation industry after America and Europe.

Nigam says the reasons attributed to the high growth trajectory and quick turnaround of AVIC include availability of capital for weapons acquisition, “spin-in benefits” from the commercial aviation sector, and integration into the global production chain.

“The basic tenet that emerges vests on building a civil aviation sector which would in the future be capable of augmenting the PLA’s requirements, not through ‘conversion’, but through a process of integration,” Nigam notes in the book.

“These factors largely provide a framework for assessing the effectiveness of reforms and strengthening China’s indigenous defence capabilities.”

Jayadeva Ranade, former member of the National Security Advisory Board, told ThePrint that AVIC has a lot of cash, and despite Covid-19, the shares of state-owned defence enterprises went up because of the demand.

Ranade, who heads the Centre for China Analysis and Strategy, said the US sanctions applied on military technology and Chinese tech companies like Huawei are affecting laser imaging and production of microchips, among other things.

“So, manufacturing of high-end military equipment — such as guidance systems and radars — by AVIC would be also affected by sanctions on the purchase of microchips etc.” he said.

Asked for his opinion on how India stacks up against AVIC equipment, Ranade said while a lot of service officers say its aircraft are not of good quality, India should be concerned.

“Their aircraft technology can’t match Western aircraft. But India has a limited capacity to manufacture, and that is a cause for concern for India,” he said.

“The Chinese thinking is on the lines of swarm technology. Even if you have 100 aircraft, they will think of manufacturing 500-600 aircraft in one go,” Ranade added.
 
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Article by Subbu Swamy, contains good points about India-China conflic , shade thrown at late FinMin Arun Jaitly in typical bitter subbu-swami fashion, shilling for US military maal, shilling against Russia, and subtle digs at Modi sarkar
 

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Aksai Chin was gone in 1962. The Chinese are now building strongholds in proper Ladakh, areas which used to be occupied or patrolled by India. By the way, Ladakh and Arunachal is also their land if you ask the Chinese. And so is Sikkim, Nepal, Bhutan, etc. Chinese never say no to land.
If you ask a chinese they will even say whole Japan, South & North Korea and Vietnam are their land. Chinese are international level of landgrabers.
 

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Since they base all their claims on the Qing empire's territories, what you described is exactly their end goal
At this point even after achieving this they wouldn't stop they will keep grabbing more and more i wouldn't be surprised if china say whole indian sub continent and Russia was under Qing dynasty according to some allegedly ancient documents.
 

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