India-China 2020 Border conflict

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johnq

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:hmm: They are continuing building up . on south bank Spanggur Tso . from sept 11 - oct 1

Preparations for coming winter/war

Any idea what those white structures coming up are ? living spaces ? , they are about 35m sqr

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This means that the Chinese are continuing to break the MEA agreement which says that neither side can add more soldiers to the LAC. Meanwhile I am sure that the MEA is continuing to enforce the agreement on Indian Army, preventing them from adding more soldiers to the LAC. The Chinese are probably using the additional soldiers to dig tunnels (covered with the white tents visible in the image) to get behind the Indian positions. If the Chinese continue to add soldiers, it may end up being a repeat of 1962, where the Chinese surround Indian positions with a 10 to 1 ratio. Except this time, the MEA and its agreements have replaced Nehru and Congress Party. It was the MEA agreements that prevented Indian Army from building permanent positions on the LAC, and they had to resort to foot patrolling in many areas. It was the MEA agreements that prevented Indian Army from starting firefights with Chinese soldiers even as the Chinese soldiers invaded deeper into Ladakh and built permanent barracks and defences on Indian territory.
 

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Chai neese soldiers

are they swearing at xitler for putting them in such conditions :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound:

are they doing maa-behan to their immortal leader in their native language :pound:

winter hasn't even fully started yet :pound:

did they really steal conquest of paradise by vangelis song :pound: :pound: :pound:

can sombody please translate their dard-e-bhari-awaaz

:pound::pound:
 

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Chinese are probably using the additional soldiers to dig tunnels (covered with the white tents visible in the image) to get behind the Indian positions. If the Chinese continue to add soldiers, it may end up being a repeat of 1962, where the Chinese surround Indian positions with a 10 to 1 ratio.
Zero chance of the Chinese surrounding Indian positions with 10 to 1 ratio - a repeat of 1962!! In 1962, the Indian Army had 18000 troops mostly ill equipped and ill acclimatized and untrained in high altitude warfare with weapons of WW2 vintage and no CAS to support Indian troops or interdiction to destroy infra on the Chinese axes of advance! In contrast the PLA attacked with 180,000 troops who were mostly tough peasants used to the tough life and brainwashed by Chinese communist propaganda.

Even then they suffered huge casualties - from Galwan where they lost 870 PLA against an Indian Gorkha company of 76 who fought to the last round, to Rezang La, the site of the last stand of the 13 Kumaon, where 114 Indian soldiers out of a total of 120 were martyred fighting 5000 Chinese attacking with artillery support, killing 1300 PLA in the battle - without artillery or air support! The Indian side was led by Major Shaitan Singh, who was later posthumously awarded the Param Vir Chakra, India’s highest gallantry award for conspicuous bravery and self-sacrifice in the face of the enemy. There are dozens of such stories of bravery displayed by Indian troops in the 1962 war. So it wasn't a cakewalk by the PLA in 62. And the PLA knows it, never mind the nonsensical propaganda spewed out by the CCP controlled Global Times etc.

Now we have a mirror deployment, in fact we now have more troops along the LAC than the PLA including tanks, missiles, an air force ready to go and experienced well equipped battle hardened mountain troops trained in high altitude warfare and rapidly growing infrastructure along the LAC for swift movement of troops and logistics. (I haven't even touched upon the IOR front and the Malacca Strait along with the QUAD that's putting the PLAN in a fix). In contrast, the PLA pussy conscripts are used to the easy Starbucks life of single offspring Chinese parents who have zilch experience in fighting in mountainous high altitude areas, just passing time to complete their 4 years conscription period! And the PLA knows it and the reason why they have taken no risk at deep incursions as they know full well that a riposte by the Indian Army will be disastrous to them militarily as well as politically.

So, no. It can never be a 1962 repeat. Millions of cusecs of water have flowed under the bridge since then!
 
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Zero chance of the Chinese surrounding Indian positions with 10 to 1 ratio - a repeat of 1962!! In 1962, the Indian Army had 18000 troops mostly ill equipped and ill acclimatized and untrained in high altitude warfare with weapons of WW2 vintage and no CAS to support Indian troops or interdiction to destroy infra on the Chinese axes of advance! In contrast the PLA attacked with 180,000 troops who were mostly tough peasants used to the tough life and brainwashed by Chinese communist propaganda.

Even then they suffered huge casualties - from Galwan where they lost 870 PLA against an Indian Gorkha company of 76 who fought to the last round, to Rezang La, the site of the last stand of the 13 Kumaon, where 114 Indian soldiers out of a total of 120 were martyred fighting 5000 Chinese attacking with artillery support, killing 1300 PLA in the battle - without artillery or air support! The Indian side was led by Major Shaitan Singh, who was later posthumously awarded the Param Vir Chakra, India’s highest gallantry award for conspicuous bravery and self-sacrifice in the face of the enemy. There are dozens of such stories of bravery displayed by Indian troops in the 1962 war. So it wasn't a cakewalk by the PLA in 62. And the PLA knows it, never mind the nonsensical propaganda spewed out by the CCP controlled Global Times etc.

Now we have a mirror deployment, in fact we now have more troops along the LAC than the PLA including tanks, missiles, an air force ready to go and experienced well equipped battle hardened mountain troops trained in high altitude warfare and rapidly growing infrastructure along the LAC for swift movement of troops and logistics. (I haven't even touched upon the IOR front and the Malacca Strait along with the QUAD that's putting the PLAN in a fix). In contrast, the PLA pussy conscripts are used to the easy Starbucks life of single offspring Chinese parents who have zilch experience in fighting in mountainous high altitude areas, just passing time to complete their 4 years conscription period! And the PLA knows it and the reason why they have taken no risk at deep incursions as they know full well that a riposte by the Indian Army will be disastrous to them militarily as well as politically.

So, no. It can and never will be a 1962 repeat. Millions of cusecs of water have flowed under the bridge since then!
It was a mirror deployment until the MEA negotiated the agreement which prevents either side from adding more soldiers to the LAC. Predictably, the Chinese Army never followed the agreement and continued to add more soldiers to the LAC. The image quoted in my earlier post is proof of that, as a lot more Chinese tents have popped up around Spanggur Gap and elsewhere. The question is, is the Indian Army still following the MEA Agreement negotiated in September and not adding any more soldiers to the LAC? If that is the case, and the Chinese continue to add more soldiers to the LAC as they build more protected positions and bases, then the Chinese will eventually outnumber the Indians by a big margin on the LAC.
Also, Chinese are big on deception, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese are using their numbers to dig tunnels to get behind the Indian positions, and my guess is that some of those tents are covering the positions of these tunnels.
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Yes, 3~5 tremors are pretty common in Ladakh as there's heavy intercontinental plate-tectonic activity. The Himalayas owe their heights to an ongoing collision between the Indian- and Eurasian plates.

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But I think the number of quakes have increased in recent times. Is this due to construction activities going on at both the sides of Himalayas, as blast techniques are used nowadays for faster construction?
 

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But I think the number of quakes have increased in recent times. Is this due to construction activities going on at both the sides of Himalayas, as blast techniques are used nowadays for faster construction?
I don't think so. Large-scale strip-mining causes more quakes (in places like Sichuan), than construction. We're free to bore tunnels all over the place.
 

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So how much more time until the passes are completely snowed-in and the weather is totally inhospitable for action?
 
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