India-China 2020 Border conflict

[ezsasa]

While gains were made in the Middle East, we saw how PM Modi was led by MEA into making an impromptu stopover at Nawaz Miyans for a Chai-Pe-Charcha but in return had Pathankot AFB explode on his face.

Am glad we have been able to resist MEA + US pressure to 'talk' to Pakistan after URI.

Wait a few years, your misconceptions on this will be cleared.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Wait a few years, your misconceptions on this will be cleared.

The misconception in this case being? Are we really taking to Pak??

 

[omaebakabaka]

Wait a few years, your misconceptions on this will be cleared.

My take is that whenever any "peace" or "fake peace" is initiated by Pakis, their army gets cocnerned and pulls some stunt to put their govt in place. Pathankot is our fault 100%.....that should have never happened talks or not at a forward airbase and that operation was flawed also to flush those worms.

 

[Flying Dagger]

You do realise Samsung is a Korean company, Plus good news Apple has started manufacturing hardware here. Apple one is launched in India, and finally got the first fucking time Indians can now order a 32 core iMac grill.

Realise it is Korean ? So what ...

The contractors for Apple are doing assembly here and saving on taxes. Though it's much better than getting nothing from the apple pie but that's it .

But we need to bring the real manufacturing here and Japanese companies do have the tech for us but don't have a market even their domestic one is lost to apple and samsung. So a bargain can be reached with better offer for our company in a jv.

 

[Lancer]

@Echelon Four

 

[Knowitall]

Looks like the weather wane has detected a complete rout of Orangy in US elections.
What we see is a mere 're-adjustment' on our part.
We - The Dhoti Shivering ones.

Readjustment is being hyped to stupid levels without people actually understanding the whole issue.

The Readjustment we did is really great from a area denial and war-fighting perspective but it is absolutely useless to be used as a negotiation tactic.

What are we gonna tell to the Chinese hey look we occupied heights inside our own LAC so you leave our territory and we leave ours. This is just stupid.

Of course they are going to reject our demands.

The only worthwhile thing we can negotiate is black top helmet top and a few other surrounding hills and china as one of the previous tweet pointed out will only leave the gogra hot springs area for that. Its stupid if you expect them to leave all 4 areas for so little.

 

[scatterStorm]

People hear this lady out.

@36.50 holy grail of the great Russian-Chinese alliance conspiracy theory. This women is smart. Delight to here her.

What if Russia and China have partnered up to block tech alliance of US-India, and that we are caught up in the rabbit hole of keeping both nations happy, while covertly China is getting benefited. Russia could sell China gas at subsidized rate as per agreement, granted if they throw India into a cold war state, and as usual we go begging for arms from Russia.

In layman, while China virus H-bomb has impacted nations economically so that China can use this opportunity to increase more trade surplus, it's not about money here but it's about speed of gaining stability, this is a calculated move, which allows China to surpass US economy by 2035, this completing the vision 2035.

Like many folks pointed out, especially @Bhadra there's a far sinister role being played out here.

 

[another_armchair]

My take is that whenever any "peace" or "fake peace" is initiated by Pakis, their army gets cocnerned and pulls some stunt to put their govt in place. Pathankot is our fault 100%.....that should have never happened talks or not at a forward airbase and that operation was flawed also to flush those worms.

By that argument, Uri is also 100% our fault. Can we stop indulging in victim shaming?
Without Pak sponsored terrorists, we wouldn't have to keep draining our resources on fighting them with one hand tied to our backs only to be lectured by mangy dogs like Erdogan and Imrand.

 

[another_armchair]

Readjustment is being hyped to stupid levels without people actually understanding the whole issue.

The Readjustment we did is really great from a area denial and war-fighting perspective but it is absolutely useless to be used as a negotiation tactic.

What are we gonna tell to the Chinese hey look we occupied heights inside our own LAC so you leave our territory and we leave ours. This is just stupid.

Of course they are going to reject our demands.

The only worthwhile thing we can negotiate is black top helmet top and a few other surrounding hills and china as one of the previous tweet pointed out will only leave the gogra hot springs area for that. Its stupid if you expect them to leave all 4 areas for so little.

China isn't going back till Xi is at the helm regardless of the costs its troops face at the border.

The re-adjustment is how India deals with China in a post Trump world. We can already see joint statements and MEA elbowing into negotiations between IA and PLA.

I am totally OK if MEA provides sanctimonous lip service while GoI+Forces go about their business which is what appears as of now.

 

[Knowitall]

@36.50 holy grail of the great Russian-Chinese alliance conspiracy theory. This women is smart. Delight to here her.

What if Russia and China have partnered up to block tech alliance of US-India, and that we are caught up in the rabbit hole of keeping both nations happy, while covertly China is getting benefited. Russia could sell China gas at subsidized rate as per agreement, granted if they throw India into a cold war state, and as usual we go begging for arms from Russia.

In layman, while China virus H-bomb has impacted nations economically so that China can use this opportunity to increase more trade surplus, it's not about money here but it's about speed of gaining stability, this is a calculated move, which allows China to surpass US economy by 2035, this completing the vision 2035.

Like many folks pointed out, especially @Bhadra there's a far sinister role being played out here.

Russia already fucked us hard when they fooled GOI by saying it's only an exercise don't worry.

They single handedly landed us into this situation.

Now they are fucking us by blocking our entry into quad.

But I agree with others you cant keep blaming others for your own shortcomings.

 

[omaebakabaka]

By that argument, Uri is also 100% our fault. Can we stop indulging in victim shaming?
Without Pak sponsored terrorists, we wouldn't have to keep draining our resources on fighting them with one hand tied to our backs only to be lectured by mangy dogs like Erdogan and Imrand.

Apples and Oranges.....attacks on airfields are very rare for a reason and URI is in active operations zone.

 

[cereal killer]

Readjustment is being hyped to stupid levels without people actually understanding the whole issue.

The Readjustment we did is really great from a area denial and war-fighting perspective but it is absolutely useless to be used as a negotiation tactic.

What are we gonna tell to the Chinese hey look we occupied heights inside our own LAC so you leave our territory and we leave ours. This is just stupid.

Of course they are going to reject our demands.

The only worthwhile thing we can negotiate is black top helmet top and a few other surrounding hills and china as one of the previous tweet pointed out will only leave the gogra hot springs area for that. Its stupid if you expect them to leave all 4 areas for so little.

Thing is people are not used to see these re adjustments often under MMS rule when we used to just roll over.
Army has only given political establishment some leverage coz earlier when it all started it was all about pleading & it was pathetic to see.
Now this is about pushing home the advantage. This is where seems to be the hesitation.

 

[another_armchair]

Apples and Oranges.....attacks on airfields are very rare for a reason and URI is in active operations zone.

Was PNS Mehran operationally active?

The bad guys with guns will always have first mover advantage. Learn to live with it. Unless a cost is imposed on their facilitators and handlers, we will keep blinking after every punch in the face that comes out of nowhere.

 

[Knowitall]

China isn't going back till Xi is at the helm regardless of the costs its troops face at the border.

This is an other misconception shown by both Modi and GOI.

There is no point in pleasing XI the actual power in China lies with the politburo.

So even if you drink nariyal pani with xi it won't change much.

People selected in this committee have no terms limit and decide on all important matters.

We must not see this as a issue started by xi but rather china itself.

 

[Knowitall]

Thing is people are not used to see these re adjustments often under MMS rule when we used to just roll over.
Army has only given political establishment some leverage coz earlier when it all started it was all about pleading & it was pathetic to see.
Now this is about pushing home the advantage. This is where seems to be the hesitation.

The only way we actually gain something in the negotiations is by capturing land on their side of the LAC till then we can dream on.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Russia already fucked us hard when they fooled GOI by saying it's only an exercise don't worry.

They single handedly landed us into this situation.

Now they are fucking us by blocking our entry into quad.

These are just rumours we have our own resources and assets. It's not like we didn't knew what they were planning at all and if we didn't knew that's our shortcoming. We failed at multiple levels and need restructuring at Chinese front.

 

[another_armchair]

Russia already fucked us hard when they fooled GOI by saying it's only an exercise don't worry.

They single handedly landed us into this situation.

Now they are fucking us by blocking our entry into quad.

Why blame Russia?

The security of Indian borders and its citizens rests with GoI. That includes the entire Govt. machinery.

For how long with the second most populous country in the world keep running to Russia, USA, UN falana dimkana each time we get bitchslapped and humiliated by some random Paki chut with just two fantasies -
1) Marrying his prettiest cousin
2) Bleeding India

 

[omaebakabaka]

Was PNS Mehran operationally active?

The bad guys with guns will always have first mover advantage. Learn to live with it. Unless a cost is imposed on their facilitators and handlers, we will keep blinking after every punch in the face that comes out of nowhere.

Agreed they have the first mover advantage but it was just too easy for them to get in, the operation could certainly been executed better atleast based on the recreated version.

 

[Dessert Storm]

China isn't going back till Xi is at the helm regardless of the costs its troops face at the border.

The re-adjustment is how India deals with China in a post Trump world. We can already see joint statements and MEA elbowing into negotiations between IA and PLA.

Dear Sir, It's not just Xi, it's the CCP. CCP ain't going back with or without Xi, unless handed a defeat. That world you are referring to is four years away. Those are negotiations between IA and CMC. Let SJ play his games. He's really good at it.

 

[Knowitall]

These are just rumours we have our own resources and assets. It's not like we didn't knew what they were planning at all and if we didn't knew that's our shortcoming. We failed at multiple levels and need restructuring at Chinese front.

Agree it is understandable russia has its own geo political compulsion and would rather not see us drift away better we change ourselves and stand on our feet.