India-China 2020 Border conflict

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everything is correct except the name. change Nehru to Patel.
Yes.. And who takes the fall, if things go wrong..? It's like blaming Defence minister Krishna Menon for 1962 debacle, and absolving Nehru.. or not crediting Narsimha Rao for the 1991 reforms, and giving all credit to Manmohan.. We need to remember that Nehru had much more at stake as the prime minister.. Yes, Patel was instrumental in Goa, and Hyderabad accession.. but Nehru was also important.. Its has always been fashionable to put the blame for all of India's early failures on Nehru's head, and credit of its successes on some one else..
 

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Region

Our focus today we will be on the Demchok, chumar area of India. Both are in the Leh district of Ladakh and come under the western sector region

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The dotted Line in the second Picture is the area claimed by the chinese as their own.

We will be focusing only on the bottommost region of the area and will move to the upper regions later on.

Who holds what


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Everything on the left side of the region is under Indian control and everything on the right side of the region is under Chinese control.

Both the sides have constructed roads and camps further down the area to mark their zones of control.


Red is the region under chinese control. This was captured long back as far back as 2012 by the chinese.

Topside Incursions
The chinese had also made a few more incursions on the topside of the Indus river during the same period.

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Furthermost point

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Topmost point


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Total area in the bottom region

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Topmost regions will be covered later on.



Red boundary area:- Claimed by both India & China
Blue line (follows Indus south-east till Demchok, then follows Charding Nullah till its origin at south-west):- Current control line. The left side is India, the right side is China.

@Knowitall I would not call it incursion, China captured (more like occupied because no one was there) these areas in the 1962 war.

And I want to insist on this point, no territory has been compromised by us in recent years (last ~20 years).

Chinese tent-pitching what we are talking about for few days is a civilian tent. And why that is different, is because Tibetian shepherd communities are nomadic in nature and they keep on crossing LAC in search of pasture.
So unless China puts any military presence on our soil in Demchok, this is nothing significant.

my Gadd...huge land grab by abbujaan china-- at least 36,000000000 sq miles- Pork trolls
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No land grab, this is just confusion of perception. Partly to blame here is GoI who never shows us our original control boundary.
 

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Red boundary area:- Claimed by both India & China
Blue line (follows Indus south-east till Demchok, then follows Charding Nullah till its origin at south-west):- Current control line. The left side is India, the right side is China.

@Knowitall I would not call it incursion, China captured (more like occupied because no one was there) these areas in the 1962 war.

And I want to insist on this point, no territory has been compromised by us in recent years (last ~20 years).

Chinese tent-pitching what we are talking about for few days is a civilian tent. And why that is different, is because Tibetian shepherd communities are nomadic in nature and they keep on crossing LAC in search of pasture.
So unless China puts any military presence on our soil in Demchok, this is nothing significant.



No land grab, this is just confusion of perception. Partly to blame here is GoI who never shows us our original control boundary.
Yup i deleted the post.
 

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Chinese tent-pitching what we are talking about for few days is a civilian tent. And why that is different, is because Tibetian shepherd communities are nomadic in nature and they keep on crossing LAC in search of pasture.
No nomad freely spend winters in a tent at more than 14,000 feet on the south side of the eastern Himalayas, where storms and snowfall are especially dangerous and access is impossible for six months of the year.

China is using concepts such as 'Beyul Concept' to convince Tibetan herders to claim and protect territory for China.

In short China is using Tibetans as 'Agents of Empire' in the Himalayas.
 

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Yup i deleted the post.
y delete it ? , you were correct.

Why? It was good :) Bit of correction for sure.

its lot more than 'intrusion' they been stealing grazing lands pastures from us since 1980's , pushing out our nomads using civilians and pla is their strategy.

also suits them nicely that we dont allow our herdsmen into LAC areas.
 

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Opinion

Of late china would have been monitoring INDO-US ties and if it feels that the ties aren't going in a positive direction, they might agree to disengage from one or two friction points (which might be of less significant) and then try to pull us away from US and closer to Russia and subsequently towards normalisation to Indo-china ties. But they will again come up with their salami slicing a few years later. And if after disengagement, the INDO-US ties don't detiorate they will come with much better preparation within months mostly in some other sector and this situation might get kinetic quickly.

And if they feel our ties with US continue to grow then these chai nashta meetings will continue.

So tomorrow's meeting MIGHT be significant.
 

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AMAZING news 😍😍

12th round of corps commander talks have ended with China agreeing to move back from gogra , depsang .

looks like its over fellas.

The latest round of talks will take place after a gap of three months. Indian military delegates met their counterparts to discuss disengagement of troops at the friction areas such as the Hot Springs, Gogra and the Depsang plains spread over 900 sq km land.Talks ended with both sides agreeing to further disengagement at all friction points - Hot Springs , Gogra and Depsang.A statement to this effect will made and further meetings will be conducted in the manner with which disengagement will be carried out.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-china-agrees-to-full-disengagement-talks-end-successfully-101627645870600.html
 
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