India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Jimih]

Xi Jinping is 68 years I guess. Kitna din lasting Karega Woh? How much life expectancy is in China?

By 2050 35% Chinese would be 60 or above.

 

[scatterStorm]

I don’t know why Indians like to move BrahMos to su30 so much, because it exposes the fact that India does not have bombers. This is also the biggest problem of the Indian Air Force. All combat missions used by the Indian Air Force require fighter jets to solve. , The related support system is quite weak

That's because IAF still to this day isn't a proper offensive force. Let me re-enlighten you a bit. An airforce whose military and state objectives are to go out and gain air superiority over a theatre makes up as an offensive force.

USAF air doctrine has been simple:

1. Gain air superiority
2. Later bring in the big guns for total collateral damage, that's what you call bombers.

Chinese air doctrine is complicated but still lacks a lot in terms of stage two of the campaign operations. Both in terms of technology and quality of military hardware.

We don't require H20s as we do not have an expansion plan, plus H20 can only come in if PLAF will ever gain air supremacy over the North eastern region. Which is a debate for another time.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Ye list padho Sab ke sab

 

[scatterStorm]

What I dont get is why everyone wants India to beat China or be like China. Why is also there this assumption that we are globally projecting? We simply are not.

In the broad theme the only difference between China and India is China essentially followed an ASEAN model - that is take on massive amount of debts to build up GDP through construction projects that consume huge amounts of commodities and promote an exports led growth based on mass manufacturing using cheap labor.
The ASEAN model has failed before and it could fail again.
For some reason, people believe that the China's version of ASEAN model is a success, while it is actually not. Chinese banks reel for bad debts and NPAs much more than Indian banks do.

Here is a sample - just these 3 articles alone should tell you the scale of corruption and bad banking practices in China. It is much worse than in India. Believe it or not, we do better than China in all corruption rankings. Nirav Modi, Mehul Choksi are small fry compared to what the Chinese criminals pull off and many of them are in top membership of the CCP itself, active to this day.

China's $2.14tn of bonds coming due unnerves foreign investors

Country faces massive debt servicing costs for infrastructure by 2023

asia.nikkei.com

Embattled Huarong to sell multibillion-dollar assets

As rescue plan gets underway, disposals will see its assets shrink to about 1tn yuan

asia.nikkei.com

China graft busters shocked by corrupt Baoshang Bank regulators

Report claims government watchdogs took bribes and 'ate everything'

asia.nikkei.com

Here is how even their bullet train projects are getting canceled:

As debt mounts, Beijing halts two high-speed rail projects

Fate of $20bn in new lines depends on outcome of 'deep' review

asia.nikkei.com

The major difference between China and India is China has taken 5 times India's debt to bankroll its economy and so all the numbers look big. There is nothing magical about it. India can take debt 3 or 4 times the existing values and build everything at breakneck speed and we will "look" like China too with unnecessary expressways, high speed rail lines and bridges to nowhere, devastated environment etc.

Further, India's institutional financing mechanisms for infrastructure projects are already more sophisticated than China's

Here is an example:
China is planning to introduce REITs to finance infrastructure - obviously as the state-run bank monoliths are unable to do so, saddled with massive bad debts. India has been using REITs for several years now.

China seeks to lure investors into REITs to finance infrastructure

Government intends to build $770bn market to support infrastructure projects

asia.nikkei.com

People keep on saying India must be the next China. Do these guys even understand what they are asking for?
- do they want a massive debt based approach to solving poverty?
- do they want rampant crony capitalism and corruption to dominate our lives?
- do we want to devastate our lands with toxic waste and become food insecure like China has become, and become food import dependent?
- do we want to build massive, wasteful projects that are empty and have devastated environments all over?
- do we want to make our lands and waters insanely toxic?

If people thought that the Ganges is polluted, they have no idea what river pollution actually looks like. In the rivers near Shanghai and other places such as Hubei, people saw tens of dead pigs flowing down river and thousands of fishes dead from toxic spills floating like garbage.
Even today, Shanghai's water quality is terrible and very few water bodies are actually fit enough to supply clean drinking water. We do not have such issues.
For people advocating "we need to 'become' like China" mantra they have no idea what destruction their massive debt fueled growth has done to their people, who have had no say in how China should grow. They were treated as expendable peasants, and subjected to grave human rights violations in the name of development.
These idiotic tweets never say at what cost China increased its GDP and if such massive human rights violating GDP growth is suitable for countries at all.

I consider Chinese model an utter failure and not worth emulating mainly because of one reason - there is nothing original about it. It is just that everything is done on a big scale and quickly and cheaply. Nothing about their model shows it is sustainable, respecting human rights, innovative or even real poverty alleviating. They just play with statistics and numbers like rankings just to demonstrate that they have beaten the western world (forced Olympics athleticism not native to the Chinese traditional sports is a jarring example).

We do have to improve our scale and speed of alleviating poverty and building infrastructure but not at the super speeds and the massively corrupt ways the CCP does it, which has devastated their resources so much so that they have become food insecure; and created some international financial criminal enterprises the likes of which the world has never seen.

To add to your point, the fallacies in the Chinese economy is still there. Take an example of the Global chip shortage. See it tactically and strategically.

1. Chinese need a lot of rare-earth to come even close to Taiwan.
2. So they band up their gang over Tibet.
2. They started their own chip manufacturing company but turned out it was a sham.

That company recently filed for bankruptcy.

 

[Jimih]

To add to your point, the fallacies in the Chinese economy is still there. Take an example of the Global chip shortage. See it tactically and strategically.

1. Chinese need a lot of rare-earth to come even close to Taiwan.
2. So they band up their gang over Tibet.
2. They started their own chip manufacturing company but turned out it was a sham.

That company recently filed for bankruptcy.

China is aware of this new development and doing necessary course corrections. They are not like India.

For eg.

UK's largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

UK's largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

Located in Newport, South Wales, Newport Wafer Fab's chip plant dates back to 1982 and is one of just a handful of semiconductor fabricators in the U.K.

www.cnbc.com

 

[lixun]

That's because IAF still to this day isn't a proper offensive force. Let me re-enlighten you a bit. An airforce whose military and state objectives are to go out and gain air superiority over a theatre makes up as an offensive force.

USAF air doctrine has been simple:

1. Gain air superiority
2. Later bring in the big guns for total collateral damage, that's what you call bombers.

Chinese air doctrine is complicated but still lacks a lot in terms of stage two of the campaign operations. Both in terms of technology and quality of military hardware.

We don't require H20s as we do not have an expansion plan, plus H20 can only come in if PLAF will ever gain air supremacy over the North eastern region. Which is a debate for another time.

I’m trying to understand the goal of the Indian Air Force to provide air cover for the Indian armored forces in the future war with Pakistan. Therefore, India needs a fuel load, a large ammunition load, and su30omki with a certain ground attack capability. Pakistan conducts deep bombing of high-value targets, so it pays more attention to French fighters with strong ground capabilities, such as Mirage 2000 and Rafale fighters.

 

[Jimih]

I’m trying to understand the goal of the Indian Air Force to provide air cover for the Indian armored forces in the future war with Pakistan. Therefore, India needs a fuel load, a large ammunition load, and su30omki with a certain ground attack capability. Pakistan conducts deep bombing of high-value targets, so it pays more attention to French fighters with strong ground capabilities, such as Mirage 2000 and Rafale fighters.

Yes you are right Pakistan has conducted many deep bombings on High value targets.

 

[lixun]

By 2050 35% Chinese would be 60 or above.

The average life expectancy in China in 2019 is 78.7 years

 

[Jimih]

The average life expectancy in China in 2019 is 78.7 years

I quoted you your future

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I’m trying to understand the goal of the Indian Air Force to provide air cover for the Indian armored forces in the future war with Pakistan. Therefore, India needs a fuel load, a large ammunition load, and su30omki with a certain ground attack capability. Pakistan conducts deep bombing of high-value targets, so it pays more attention to French fighters with strong ground capabilities, such as Mirage 2000 and Rafale fighters.

Pakistan conducts deep bombing of many HVTs ( when comrade )
Pakistan doesn't even operates mirage 2000 and rafales

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I’m trying to understand the goal of the Indian Air Force to provide air cover for the Indian armored forces in the future war with Pakistan. Therefore, India needs a fuel load, a large ammunition load, and su30omki with a certain ground attack capability. Pakistan conducts deep bombing of high-value targets, so it pays more attention to French fighters with strong ground capabilities, such as Mirage 2000 and Rafale fighters.

Role of IAF is to provide support to IA by bombing strategic targets , provide close air support and defend India's airspace

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Ye list padho Sab ke sab

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You can bet that Chinese are going to get dropped from these projects. They pretty much pissed off all the partners in this list, other than Germany, who are great supporters of the CCP, maybe because of their Nazi past - they are comfortable with the CCP‘s brutalities. Expect to take up China’s spot, as we get richer and can spend more on R&D.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

You can bet that Chinese are going to get dropped from these projects. They pretty much pissed off all the partners in this list, other than Germany, who are great supporters of the CCP, maybe because of their Nazi past - they are comfortable with the CCP‘s brutalities. Expect to take up China’s spot, as we get richer and can spend more on R&D.

That we will see, but saar what you say about this liMited cooperation between the two ?

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

China is aware of this new development and doing necessary course corrections. They are not like India.

For eg.

UK's largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

UK's largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

Located in Newport, South Wales, Newport Wafer Fab's chip plant dates back to 1982 and is one of just a handful of semiconductor fabricators in the U.K.

www.cnbc.com

They better not have even a small amount of US IP anywhere, or this deal is dead. Have the UK regulators approved this deal?

 

[Jimih]

Have the UK regulators approved this deal?

A U.K. government spokesperson told media that: “We are aware of the expected takeover by Nexperia of Newport Wafer Fab. While we do not consider it appropriate to intervene at this time, we will continue to monitor the situation closely and will not hesitate to use our powers under the Enterprise Act should the situation change.”

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

That we will see, but saar what you say about this liMited cooperation between the two ?

Germany and China? Unfortunately that will continue. German companies like Siemens and their building architects are majorly responsible for the limited amount of quality trains and buildings we see in China. A lot of German architects moved to China to design their insane number of skyscrapers. BMW’s and Mercedes’ largest market is China. So the Chinese have them by their balls and will steal every piece of German ip like they stole Siemens’ ip for their bullet train. Sad for Germany but they have no choice but to kiss up to China. Germany is why China escapes sanctions from the EU. But the EU refused to listen to Germany when they opposed the cancellation of FTA with China and instead started negotiations with India. So there’s all this tussle going on.
‘Fortunately , for the world, Germany has not developed chip-related technologies or any advanced warfare tech for the Chinese to steal from.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

A U.K. government spokesperson told media that: “We are aware of the expected takeover by Nexperia of Newport Wafer Fab. While we do not consider it appropriate to intervene at this time, we will continue to monitor the situation closely and will not hesitate to use our powers under the Enterprise Act should the situation change.”

This means there may not be an approval. Or , at the least, the approval will be a long drawn out process. And if the US cracks the whip, the deal is dead. It is not going to be easy for the CCP chimps to lay their hands on any semi conductor capacity.

 

[scatterStorm]

He's still a white monkey in the opinion the Chinese tho

He isn't, he gets paid by the board. He doesn't give two fucks to the Chinese state. If he sets up a factory, he will get paid. However he is also a visionary, so if sees something, he will say about it. But it could be also seen as white monkey.

 

[scatterStorm]

China is aware of this new development and doing necessary course corrections. They are not like India.

For eg.

UK's largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

UK's largest chip plant to be acquired by Chinese-owned firm Nexperia amid global semiconductor shortage

Located in Newport, South Wales, Newport Wafer Fab's chip plant dates back to 1982 and is one of just a handful of semiconductor fabricators in the U.K.

www.cnbc.com

Let's set that "to be acquired" to never going to be... we saw what happened when they tried with ... drumrolls:

Spoiler

Wuhan Hongxin Semiconductor Manufacturing Co

See that ghostly factory being abandoned.

A Cautionary Tale For China's Ambitious Chipmakers : NPR

 

[tommy]

they stole Siemens’ ip for their bullet train.

Do you have any source to read further on this.