India-China 2020 Border conflict

[ezsasa]

Apple’s compromises in China: Five takeaways

An investigation by The New York Times revealed how Apple has risked its Chinese customers data and aided the Chinese governments censorship. Here are five takeaways from the report.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

I wish that we too become a large consumer market ruled by an authoritarian nationalist govt one day.

and then what? get welded inside your house to protect the large consumer market economy during the pandemic.

be careful what you wish for mate..

Cant choose bits and pieces, when you ask for it, you get all of it, in this case full force of an authoritarian regime.

 

[mist_consecutive]

and then what? get welded inside your house to protect the large consumer market economy during the pandemic.

be careful what you wish for mate..

Cant choose bits and pieces, when you ask for it, you get all of it, in this case full force of an authoritarian regime.

Rather few hundreds get welded than millions of getting COVID, thousands die, economy rollbacks 10 years, world media laughs at you, and neighbouring countries grab your territory.

 

[mokoman]

A senior member of a Chinese Communist Party think tank claims that China not only won a biological war against the United States in 2020, but also "put the US back in its place".

"put the US back in its place"

Yea right , i also remember sinoweebos / news articles saying same thing about Huawei.

US cant touch Huawei , sanctions wont affect sales.

Huawei will dominate phone sales world wide.

lol

US can still fuck up Chinese as hard as they can please

 

[ezsasa]

Rather few hundreds get welded than millions of getting COVID, thousands die, economy rollbacks 10 years, world media laughs at you, and neighbouring countries grab your territory.

will you or your loved ones be ready to be one of those few hundreds to be welded in?

 

[HawkisRight]

Rather few hundreds get welded than millions of getting COVID, thousands die, economy rollbacks 10 years, world media laughs at you, and neighbouring countries grab your territory.

Ironically then u wouldn't have luxury to say 'freely' what u say here

 

[mokoman]

will you or your loved ones be ready to be one of those few hundreds to be welded in?

Nope , i wouldnt mind if @shade and @mist_consecutive got welded in.

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few etc etc.

 

[mist_consecutive]

will you or your loved ones be ready to be one of those few hundreds to be welded in?

Naturally, this was coming. But see at the country level, who am I, or few hundreds like me compared to 1.3 billion countrymen ? We are minuscule and disposable.
That sounds morally wrong, but it is absolutely correct logically when compared to the safety of millions of countrymen.

Give up a member to save a family, a family to save a village, a village to save a country, and the country to save yourself.
~ Chanakya Niti-Sastra 3.10

Ironically then u wouldn't have luxury to say 'freely' what u say here

Depends on what I am saying. But then again people are getting arresting left & right criticizing Shiv Sena govt. and TMC as well. And remember, too much free speech also has led to the birth of Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Extreme-left, and communists who are poisoning the country slowly.

 

[ezsasa]

Naturally, this was coming. But see at the country level, who am I, or few hundreds like me compared to 1.3 billion countrymen ? We are minuscule and disposable.
That sounds morally wrong, but it is absolutely correct logically when compared to the safety of millions of countrymen.






Depends on what I am saying. But then again people are getting arresting left & right criticizing Shiv Sena govt. and TMC as well. And remember, too much free speech also has led to the birth of Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Extreme-left, and communists who are poisoning the country slowly.

as long as you recognise that Chanakya Neeti was framed for a different era under different circumstances.

What ever you think the takeaways of Chanakya Neeti are, what you quoted is not one of them.

Whole point of dharmic system of teachings is that you don’t follow every thing that has been said in the past blindly, take only the ones that are applicable to current age, and make new rules as per current age. Our next generation will review our work, take only that is applicable to them and they make their own new rules. So on and so forth.

we are already seeing what happens when large group of people follow 1200 year old instructions blindly.

 

[mokoman]

WHO approves Sinopharm vaccine in potential boost to COVAX pipeline

The World Health Organization (WHO) approved for emergency use a COVID-19 vaccine from China's state-owned drugmaker Sinopharm on Friday, bolstering Beijing's push for a bigger role in inoculating the world.

www.reuters.com

We were supposed to supply covishield to COVAX , who will then go onto vaccinate most of poor nations.

Since Poonawallah/We fucked that up.

Chinese will take over.

Another geopolitical win for Chinese.

I hope we still can ramp up production and prevent that from happening.

 

[mokoman]

Naturally, this was coming. But see at the country level, who am I, or few hundreds like me compared to 1.3 billion countrymen ? We are minuscule and disposable.
That sounds morally wrong, but it is absolutely correct logically when compared to the safety of millions of countrymen.






Depends on what I am saying. But then again people are getting arresting left & right criticizing Shiv Sena govt. and TMC as well. And remember, too much free speech also has led to the birth of Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Extreme-left, and communists who are poisoning the country slowly.

Saw some study that claimed that totalitarian goverments wont last.

CCP with social points , and supreme ruler Xi Jingping will make that statement come true.

This is a guy who forced Chinese state TV to run a quiz show on himself.

Long term , this wont last.

 

[ezsasa]

Saw some study that claimed that totalitarian goverments wont last.

CCP with social points , and supreme ruler Xi Jingping will make that statement come true.

This is a guy who forced Chinese state TV to run a quiz show on himself.

Long term , this wont last.

CCP has so far been able to “find solutions” which they observed in US & USSR, but they will probably be blindsided by problems that are going to arise from within under their current system.

Chinese virus is a good example, their carefully cultivated global image over decades got destroyed once they allowed virus to spread around the world by choice instinctively.

 

[johnq]

WHO approves Sinopharm vaccine in potential boost to COVAX pipeline

The World Health Organization (WHO) approved for emergency use a COVID-19 vaccine from China's state-owned drugmaker Sinopharm on Friday, bolstering Beijing's push for a bigger role in inoculating the world.

www.reuters.com

We were supposed to supply covishield to COVAX , who will then go onto vaccinate most of poor nations.

Since Poonawallah/We fucked that up.

Chinese will take over.

Another geopolitical win for Chinese.

I hope we still can ramp up production and prevent that from happening.

I think this is going to backfire on China big time, because the Chinese vaccines already had low reliability to begin with. I doubt they will be effective against the newer variants, especially if the mutations combine, which is very likely considering what we have seen so far.

 

[mist_consecutive]

as long as you recognise that Chanakya Neeti was framed for a different era under different circumstances.

What ever you think the takeaways of Chanakya Neeti are, what you quoted is not one of them.

Whole point of dharmic system of teachings is that you don’t follow every thing that has been said in the past blindly, take only the ones that are applicable to current age, and make new rules as per current age. Our next generation will review our work, take only that is applicable to them and they make their own new rules. So on and so forth.

we are already seeing what happens when large group of people follow 1200 year old instructions blindly.

Okay, let's leave dharma, Chanakya neeti, China, or any other reference.

We have two choices, choose the one which seems better as a country's future -

1. Force-quarantine initial cases and hunt down any defaulters - It might seem inhumane (forcing people and even children away from family and world for 15-20 days). Containing contamination in seclusion zones completely sealed away from the outside world.
   
   Pros:- No burden on healthcare, specialized COVID hospitals will deal with the patients. Lesser casualties due to abundance of healthcare, and no spread throughout the country. The economy keeps functioning, we are making & exporting vaccines. No mass poverty, children getting orphaned and economic recession.
   
   Cons:- Might come off as brutal, media will cry human rights violation, personal suffering for the affected population (extremely tiny, ~5000 in total at max).
   
   
2. What has taken place in India till this day - Idiots and terrorists spreading infection, people escaping from quarantine (frankly the religion of peace spreading COVID by sneezing and spitting on food should have been charged with conspiracy for mass-murder), mass-religious gatherings. I can just go on and on.

 

[ezsasa]

Okay, let's leave dharma, Chanakya neeti, China, or any other reference.

We have two choices, choose the one which seems better as a country's future -

1. Force-quarantine initial cases and hunt down any defaulters - It might seem inhumane (forcing people and even children away from family and world for 15-20 days). Containing contamination in seclusion zones completely sealed away from the outside world.
   
   Pros:- No burden on healthcare, specialized COVID hospitals will deal with the patients. Lesser casualties due to abundance of healthcare, and no spread throughout the country. The economy keeps functioning, we are making & exporting vaccines. No mass poverty, children getting orphaned and economic recession.
   
   Cons:- Might come off as brutal, media will cry human rights violation, personal suffering for the affected population (extremely tiny, ~5000 in total at max).
   
   
2. What has taken place in India till this day - Idiots and terrorists spreading infection, people escaping from quarantine (frankly the religion of peace spreading COVID by sneezing and spitting on food should have been charged with conspiracy for mass-murder), mass-religious gatherings. I can just go on and on.

current democratic governance system not just in India but rather anywhere in the world is designed in such a way that, people can do many stupid things with no accountability but an elected government is accountable for smallest of mistakes.

Since I recognise ground realities as an important factor, option 2 is what you get.

if you wanted option 1, debate should have happened 80 years ago. No such debate happened when constitution was being debated .

 

[Cheran]

One year after Galwan clash, defence ministry to decide on Shinkun La tunnel

While the Borders Roads Organization wants a shorter 4.5km tunnel under the 5,091 metre pass on the existing road alignment readied by 2024, the NHIDCL prefers an elaborate 13.5km tunnel and a new road to secure the shortest route on Manali-Darcha-Padun-Nimmu-Leh axis.

www.hindustantimes.com

A year after the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) transgressed into Gogra-Hot Springs and Pangong Tso area of eastern Ladakh, the Union defence ministry is on the verge of deciding the alignment of strategic Nimmu-Padum-Darcha road to feed supplies to Indian military formations in Ladakh sector. The new alignment will be the third axis to Ladakh and will be least exposed to the adversary as compared to Srinagar-Zoji La-Kargil axis

Key to this new alignment is a proposed tunnel under 16,703-feet Shingo or Shinkun La, which gets snowed in and blocks traffic movement during at least three winter months. Situated on the border between Himachal Pradesh and Ladakh, the high mountain pass has snow round-the-year with BRO constructing motorable roads on both sides of the pass.

According to geology study conducted by Snow and Avalanche Study Establishment on behalf of the BRO, the Manali based institute recommended three options of constructing tunnels to obviate the pass. The first option was a 4.25km tunnel located at an distance of 36.5km from Darcha (99 km stone on Manali-Sarchu road). The north portal of the proposed tunnel is 41km from Darcha. The other two proposed options are 7km tunnel and a 13.81km tunnel.

For the BRO, the 4.25km tunnel is a preferred option as it addresses the most difficult portion of the road and remaining road could be kept open with snow clearance effort and some avalanche structures. The time for construction of this tunnel, which is already on the road axis, will be three working seasons and the road-tunnel will be completed by 2024.

According to BRO, this option offers the best gradient, least overburden and least support requirements with Afcons, who constructed the Atal Tunnel, moving their equipment to build the tunnel under Shinkun la on a war footing.

Please explain this in simple words

In negotiations we should never believe what CCP says. If they say that they will withdraw gradually, it generally means that they are planning something else, we need to be vigilant.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I think this is going to backfire on China big time, because the Chinese vaccines already had low reliability to begin with. I doubt they will be effective against the newer variants, especially if the mutations combine, which is very likely considering what we have seen so far.

It has serious 73 side effects. I have started one thread on it. please check.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Naturally, this was coming. But see at the country level, who am I, or few hundreds like me compared to 1.3 billion countrymen ? We are minuscule and disposable.
That sounds morally wrong, but it is absolutely correct logically when compared to the safety of millions of countrymen.






Depends on what I am saying. But then again people are getting arresting left & right criticizing Shiv Sena govt. and TMC as well. And remember, too much free speech also has led to the birth of Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Extreme-left, and communists who are poisoning the country slowly.

Here is what the ancient wisdom of sanatana stated....
a family can be sacrificed to protect a village and village can be sacrificed to protect a country....needs of many outweigh the needs of few...

However these are based on everyone following their dharma which is generally not true starting from the govt to an individual or the otherway around in modern times

 

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