Imported Single Engine Fighter Jet Contest

[VIP]

Hope you know that
IAF is same people who will stand btw you and enemy when the situation arises

While your sitting in comfort in your home

Hope you will show same enthusiasm when a car company give you outdated car while you paid full

We have immense respect for our armed forces and we expect best for them, doesn't mean they do corruption in defense deals. Hope you understand we mean no disrespect to forces but the history says it all about corrupt practice of the bosses sitting at the top.

 

[VIP]

By 2021, all of the MIG squadrons except fulcrums will have to retired from the services. These retirements will leave a huge gap in the desired and operational squadrons.

And all knows that all political parties needs fundings for their expenses and BJP has a lot of Gujrati tycoons. Now, keep this thread politically clean and discuss about the topic.

Good Day

Is this an attempt to paint ambani-adani agent rhetoric over such media hitjob?

 

[TPFscopes]

Sorry but recently watched the CNBC report and the HAL personnel said specifically that they apply RAM coating to the current production variant.

The video is available on youtube..

You may believe on that video. DRDO got a patent for RAM in late 2015 and it was tested on one of the prototype but it is never applied to any of the serially produced Tejas (atleast on non of the delivered air frame)
And whatever RCS is present in media is only a speculation.
Also, HAL requested for improved RAM coat which needs less care and maintenance.
@proud_indian

1) Is there any planned weight reduction on MK-1A as I have seen two conflicting reports. 1st says there will be a major weight reduction and 2nd says there will be some weight gain due to radar?

The Uttam aesa is about 34Kgs more than ELTA 2032 MMR. Hence, in overall, there will be a weight drop. Exact figure is still unknown.

2) When can we expect the first MK1-A roll out?

If we get FOC by june'18 than you can expect first prototype by dec'19. These are approximate figures.

Is this an attempt to paint ambani-adani agent rhetoric over such media hitjob?

Not really.. because somebody has to come forward with JV.

 

[proud_indian]

The Uttam aesa is about 34Kgs more than ELTA 2032 MMR. Hence, in overall, there will be a weight drop. Exact figure is still unknown.

Do you think we'll see Uttam AESA on MK1-A? Maybe on MK-2 but certainly not on MK1-A !

 

[TPFscopes]

Do you think we'll see Uttam AESA on MK1-A? Maybe on MK-2 but certainly not on MK1-A !

LCA's prototype LSP-2 is being integrated with Uttam aesa. If successfully tested than you might see it with MK1A.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Do you think we'll see Uttam AESA on MK1-A? Maybe on MK-2 but certainly not on MK1-A !

ELM2032 is not alone in that cone, but some metal plates to balance the weight.... UTTAM is 110kg Without LCS.... But with more tha double the capability of ELM2032

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[proud_indian]

ELM2032 is not alone in that cone, but some metal plates to balance the weight.... UTTAM is 110kg Without LCS.... But with more tha double the capability of ELM2032

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I really don't get it what you are trying to say and what is has to to do with the post you quote?

 

[proud_indian]

LCA's prototype LSP-2 is being integrated with Uttam aesa. If successfully tested than you might see it with MK1A.

offtopic but do you have any idea what's going on with Rustom?

 

[TPFscopes]

offtopic but do you have any idea what's going on with Rustom?

You mean TAPAS 201?
Its 2nd prototype will touch the sky in few weeks.

 

[proud_indian]

You mean TAPAS 201?
Its 2nd prototype will touch the sky in few weeks.

yeah that's what I meant. Will it have SAR and other payload this time?
They are supposed to make about 10 prototypes and one of them is twin boom single engine configuration. Maybe you could tell us something we don't know happening behind the curtains .

 

[cyclops]

http://idrw.org/tejas-far-behind-competitors-not-enough-to-protect-indian-skies-iaf/


Tejas – the indigenously made Light-Combat single engine fighter – isn’t enough to protect Indian skies, the India Air Force (IAF) has told the government. The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said.
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only. Recently, the IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can’t meet India’s requirements.

Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the “endurance” of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.

“In other words, for target that needs about 36 bombs to be destroyed, one will have to deploy six Tejas as against just three Gripen or F-16,” the IAF has told the government.The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16.

The cost of maintaining the Tejas is much higher than the other fighters. Also, both the F-16 and Gripen has a life-span of 40 years against just 20 of Tejas. And, in some areas the vintage Russian made Mig-21 is better than Tejas, the IAF is understood to have told the government.

India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years.

So far, the IAF has ordered 123 Tejas fighters but wants a better single-engine fighter to make up for the huge-shortfall in the fighter strength. Of the 123 Tejas fighters, only 40 will be Tejas Mark-1 and the rest 83 will be an upgraded version.

Original article from India Today.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...g-21-fighter-planes-ajit-doval/1/1086425.html

India today has been shilling really hard for American maal for some time now.

Prasun Sengupta of Trishul Trident accuses Shiv Aroor of being in American pockets.
He says Lockheed Martin invited Aroor to an all expenses paid junket and after that Shiv Aroor has suspiciously been doling out pro American articles for a while now.

 

[Steven Rogers]

I really don't get it what you are trying to say and what is has to to do with the post you quote?

Wrong quote, I was quoting the one you quoted

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[torque456]

yeah that's what I meant. Will it have SAR and other payload this time?
They are supposed to make about 10 prototypes and one of them is twin boom single engine configuration. Maybe you could tell us something we don't know happening behind the curtains .

They recently released an image of it's SAR over HAL airport.

 

[torque456]

The views of recent news reports resonate with what idf parikrama said. I don't know if the news articles are actual quotes from iaf or they are simply basing it on what has been said on idf.

Most probably the work of lazy journalism because the figures qouted for Tejas are completely wrong.

But the penchant of defense personnel for foreign products is widely known. So, I wouldn't be surprised if they want limited numbers of Tejas.

What's worrying is no one from IAF is standing behind Tejas as they should. It's a true marvel and no one is appreciating that.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not a reliable source, It does not deserve more than 2-3 posts ..

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Tejas has only 59 minutes of endurance

A presentation by the Indian Air Force to the government has revealed some deficiencies of the Tejas fighter against the F-16 and Gripen.
The service is trying to explain its case for buying a single-engine fighter in the open market instead of increasing its order for Tejas.

One of the complaints against Tejas is that the jet can stay airborne for 59 minutes only, compare to more than 2 hours for the foreign fighters.

The payload of the indigenous jet is also less than halve of what the American and Swedish fighter can carry.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...g-21-fighter-planes-ajit-doval/1/1086425.html

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Tejas far behind competitors, not enough to protect Indian skies: IAF

Tejas - the indigenously made Light-Combat single engine fighter - isn't enough to protect Indian skies, the India Air Force (IAF) has told the government. The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said.

National Security Advisor Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue following which the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only. Recently, the IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can't meet India's requirements.
Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the "endurance" of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.

"In other words, for target that needs about 36 bombs to be destroyed, one will have to deploy six Tejas as against just three Gripen or F-16," the IAF has told the government.

The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16.

The cost of maintaining the Tejas is much higher than the other fighters. Also, both the F-16 and Gripen has a life-span of 40 years against just 20 of Tejas. And, in some areas the vintage Russian made Mig-21 is better than Tejas, the IAF is understood to have told the government.

India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years.

So far, the IAF has ordered 123 Tejas fighters but wants a better single-engine fighter to make up for the huge-shortfall in the fighter strength. Of the 123 Tejas fighters, only 40 will be Tejas Mark-1 and the rest 83 will be an upgraded version.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...g-21-fighter-planes-ajit-doval/1/1086425.html

 

[G10]

Tejas Crude specs are nearly same as mig 21. Tejas is certainly better than mig 21 but world has moved on. We have built something and we need to build on the experience. India cannot take on two front war on borrowed wings.

 

[sum1]

Pathetic if this is the way IAF is forcing MoD to buy more shiny toys (by badmouthing own products)

 

[binayak95]

Enough already about the Tejas article. Its fake news dropped by media that is paid for by foreign vendors. Neither the govt, nor the IAF is stupid enough to drop the Tejas project after all that it has managed to achieve.

And neither is the govt stupid enough to ignore the geopolitical windfalls of the F-16 deal.