Imported Single Engine Fighter Jet Contest

[binayak95]

Let us not speak anything that is in our mind.

Do you have evidence that government wants F16?

On record conversation with several officers of the IAF. Trust me, brother. I don't quote things from the air.

 

[mayfair]

Hey Bhagwaan. Everybody is blowing steam over a non-issue. The IAF is not saying that it does not want the Tejas. Its saying that the Tejas platform will take time to mature and enter full ops service. The IAF has already committed to both the Mk1A and the MKII.
All that the IAF is saying is that while the Tejas programme matures, it wants the Gripen to stand in for sheer numbers.

The Govt wants the F-16.

Yeh mdeia waale beheki baatein pe mat jao.

The IAF was happy to take on Toothless tigers Su 30K, till MKI matured as a platform (not for many years after that). they were happy to accept initial Mirage 2000s with zero weapons systems.

Well they can always take Tejas and use it for training and feed in their user experience back to ADA/HAL so that improvements and future developments can be streamlined.

Why this fuss about a stand in fighter in Gripen E, a platform that is not even ready yet.

The fetish for shiny imported toys is deep seated it seems.

 

[binayak95]

The IAF was happy to take on Toothless tigers Su 30K, till MKI matured as a platform (not for many years after that). they were happy to accept initial Mirage 2000s with zero weapons systems.

Well they can always take Tejas and use it for training and feed in their user experience back to ADA/HAL so that improvements and future developments can be streamlined.

Why this fuss about a stand in fighter in Gripen E, a platform that is not even ready yet.

The fetish for shiny imported toys is deep seated it seems.

Not denying any of what you're saying. I also know that the IAF is quite impressed by the Tejas. But issues are cropping up with the Flying Daggers Ops. This are being sorted real time with full cooperation between IAF, ADA and HAL. But this will take time. No shortcuts around this.

 

[mayfair]

Not denying any of what you're saying. I also know that the IAF is quite impressed by the Tejas. But issues are cropping up with the Flying Daggers Ops. This are being sorted real time with full cooperation between IAF, ADA and HAL. But this will take time. No shortcuts around this.

I agree with this and this is how it should be. The proof of the pudding lies in eating and that of a plane in flying. For a combat jet, it's actually combat, but till then regular sorties will have to do.

If IAF is really committed to Tejas then all this talk of Gripen E as a stand in fighter doesn't make sense. For one, the plane is not even available, secondly, it will require a completely different set up for logistics, maintenance, overhaul and tactics, which will only cannibalise the resources to be used for Tejas.

GoI must be firm here- no Gripens or F-16s for the IAF. It's Tejas and only Tejas.

 

[Kshithij]

Not denying any of what you're saying. I also know that the IAF is quite impressed by the Tejas. But issues are cropping up with the Flying Daggers Ops. This are being sorted real time with full cooperation between IAF, ADA and HAL. But this will take time. No shortcuts around this.

And what is the hurry here? Why is it that IAF can wait for 70 years without indigenous plane but get seriously itchy to wait 5 years?

 

[TPFscopes]

Okay understandable,then why the hell did you ask for a light aircraft when you want capabilities of a medium aircraft??????

And also the mk2 will have higher payload and range than the mk1a,so better wait for it and stay committed to Tejas program.

And when f-16 and Gripen had failed in MMRCA program then why are these guys considering them now????..

None of F-16 and gripen failed in MMRCA but the truth is that both are bound less capable than winner.

IAF has only want more Rafales and more improved LCAs. They are only worried about the steep dive in number of squadrons. Here GoI want the SE deal to please their funding partners.

 

[Kshithij]

None of F-16 and gripen failed in MMRCA but the truth is that both are bound less capable than winner.

IAF has only want more Rafales and more improved LCAs. They are only worried about the steep dive in number of squadrons. Here GoI want the SE deal to please their funding partners.

Please substantiate about the blue lines above. Who are the funding partners? What are they funding? Is the SE deal free of cost for India?

Please understand that India is not forex surplus country like China and hence has to make tight choices for short and long term needs with priority of long term needs.

 

[Aghore_King]

Please substantiate about the blue lines above. Who are the funding partners? What are they funding? Is the SE deal free of cost for India?

Please understand that India is not forex surplus country like China and hence has to make tight choices for short and long term needs with priority of long term needs.

But the IAF doesn't seems to acknowledge that....

 

[SELVAM]

Tejas far behind competitors, not enough to protect Indian skies: IAF

http://m.indiatoday.in/story/tejas-...g-21-fighter-planes-ajit-doval/1/1086425.html

Tejas – the indigenously made Light-Combat single engine fighter – isn’t enough to protect Indian skies, the India Air Force (IAF) has told the government. The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said.
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only. Recently, the IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can’t meet India’s requirements.

Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the “endurance” of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.

“In other words, for target that needs about 36 bombs to be destroyed, one will have to deploy six Tejas as against just three Gripen or F-16,” the IAF has told the government.The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16.

The cost of maintaining the Tejas is much higher than the other fighters. Also, both the F-16 and Gripen has a life-span of 40 years against just 20 of Tejas. And, in some areas the vintage Russian made Mig-21 is better than Tejas, the IAF is understood to have told the government.

India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years.

So far, the IAF has ordered 123 Tejas fighters but wants a better single-engine fighter to make up for the huge-shortfall in the fighter strength. Of the 123 Tejas fighters, only 40 will be Tejas Mark-1 and the rest 83 will be an upgraded version.

 

[SELVAM]

Now its clear who is behind sabatoging LCA. Hope government shows IAF their place.

 

[Steven Rogers]

That news could be false, or a lobby and promotion of videshi mall by our paid media house, team LCA hasn't encountered any such report.

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[Skdas]

Endurance of 59 mins ? They put in like 50lts of fuel or what? IAF south block needs a good old spanking...

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Sources said. HHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA. Back to work people.

 

[aditya10r]

None of F-16 and gripen failed in MMRCA but the truth is that both are bound less capable than winner.

IAF has only want more Rafales and more improved LCAs. They are only worried about the steep dive in number of squadrons. Here GoI want the SE deal to please their funding partners.

Crony capitalism.

So IAF wants to stick with 294 Tejas and 126 rafales.Thats good to hear.

May the SE fighter deal crashes and burns in hell.

 

[WARREN SS]

Now its clear who is behind sabatoging LCA. Hope government shows IAF their place.

Hope you know that
IAF is same people who will stand btw you and enemy when the situation arises

While your sitting in comfort in your home

Hope you will show same enthusiasm when a car company give you outdated car while you paid full

 

[Immanuel]

Silly to say the least, add A2A refueling, new gen weapons like SAAW, 250/500 kg guided HSLD, 1000kg Glide bombs, drop the weight and LCA Mk-1P is ideal for ops. endurance can easily be doubled.

These endurance figures for Gripen and F-16 can't be without A2A refueling.

 

[mayfair]

A blatant hit job as any. It appears that the SE tender is close to being junked and therefore, the squealing has begun.

P.S. @pmaitra @Kunal Biswas @LETHALFORCE @sayareakd @tarunraju @Dovah

Shouldn't this be merged with the existing Tejas thread?

 

[TPFscopes]

Please substantiate about the blue lines above. Who are the funding partners? What are they funding? Is the SE deal free of cost for India?

Please understand that India is not forex surplus country like China and hence has to make tight choices for short and long term needs with priority of long term needs.

By 2021, all of the MIG squadrons except fulcrums will have to retired from the services. These retirements will leave a huge gap in the desired and operational squadrons.

And all knows that all political parties needs fundings for their expenses and BJP has a lot of Gujrati tycoons. Now, keep this thread politically clean and discuss about the topic.

Good Day

 

[SELVAM]

Hope you know that
IAF is same people who will stand btw you and enemy when the situation arises

While your sitting in comfort in your home

Hope you will show same enthusiasm when a car company give you outdated car while you paid full

For how many years india will depend on other countries for our own security?

 

[tarunraju]

Shouldn't this be merged with the existing Tejas thread?

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