Imported Single Engine Fighter Jet Contest

[WolfPack86]

sure , f16 is a 10th generation fighter jet classified project.....

I do not that mean that way. It has to kept secret from media.

 

[WolfPack86]

when time come Govt may announce decision on procurement of F -16.

 

[Dovah]

Do not discuss other fora. Specially on Military threads.

 

[WolfPack86]

DONE DEAL FOR SWEDISH FIRM SAAB? IAF PLANES FLYING GRIPEN FORMATION SPARKS SPECULATION
The Swedish aerospace firm SAAB, which manufactures the Gripen fighter planes, is in the running to bag a major contract to provide 100 single-engine fighters to the IAF and is locked in a direct contest with US defence firm Lockheed Martin.

There were a few red faces in the Indian Air Force today as the Surya Kiran aerobatics team which performed several heart-stopping mid-air manoeuvres during the Air Force Day celebrations at the Hindon Air Base also, among other air formations, flew what was called the “Gripen formation”.

The Swedish aerospace firm SAAB, which manufactures the Gripen fighter planes, is in the running to bag a major contract to provide 100 single-engine fighters to the Indian Air Force and is locked in a direct contest with US defence firm Lockheed Martin, which is currently offering its latest F16 figher jet to IAF. So, the "Gripen formation" performance by the Surya Kiran could not go unnoticed and sparked some speculations.

Responding to the act, the Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa, who was at the function to mark the 85th Anniversary of the Indian Air Force said "it has nothing to with Gripen".

“No, it has got nothing to do with that. It is just an aircraft shape with an canard in the front. It can be Rafale, it can be Gripen, anybody with a canard in front...(even a) Sukhoi-30. They just called it Gripen. It means nothing. Nothing to do with Gripen,” the Air Chief said after consulting one of his fellow officers before replying.

The Indian Air Force is aiming to significantly upgrade its combat capabilities by inducting 100 single-engine fighters in its squadrons. A Request for Information (RFI) document—which essentially collects written information on the capabilities of various bidders—is likely to be issued soon.

Both Lockheed Martin and SAAB are offering the latest variants of their respective fighter planes—the F-16 Block 70 and Gripen E, respectively.

Since these fighter planes have to be built by an Indian firm in collaboration with a foreign defence firm, Lockheed Martin has paired up with TATA Group and SAAB has tied up with Adani Group to manufacture these planes.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/10/done-deal-for-swedish-firm-saab-iaf.html

 

[Kshithij]

I hear that Tejas is less maneuverable than F16. But that in other areas it is comparable.

Instantaneous maneuverability of Tejas is high but sustained is low due to delta wing design

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It does not effect the tactics employed in dog fights, you can read about more on arab Israeli dogfight details from Israeli air-force official page ..

The delta wing the Tejas has is not a regular delta wing of Mirage 2000, Its crank delta ..

Instantaneous maneuverability of Tejas is high but sustained is low due to delta wing design

 

[Kshithij]

It does not effect the tactics employed in dog fights, you can read about more on arab Israeli dogfight details from Israeli air-force official page ..

The delta wing the Tejas has is not a regular delta wing of Mirage 2000, Its crank delta ..

Tejas:

Mirage 2000:

Actually, both LCA and Mirage 2000 are similar designs. The only difference is that Tejas has wings at a small downward angle.

Yes, modern warfare involves long range shooting and hence instant maneuverability may be better suited and can make Tejas better survivable than F16. But, in a typical high maneuver game, Tejas bleeds energy fast.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You need to read my post again, specifically regarding the bold part ..

Yes, modern warfare involves long range shooting and hence instant maneuverability may be better suited and can make Tejas better survivable than F16. But, in a typical high maneuver game, Tejas bleeds energy fast.

 

[Pulkit]

http://idrw.org/tejas-far-behind-competitors-not-enough-to-protect-indian-skies-iaf/


Tejas – the indigenously made Light-Combat single engine fighter – isn’t enough to protect Indian skies, the India Air Force (IAF) has told the government. The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said.
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only. Recently, the IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can’t meet India’s requirements.

Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the “endurance” of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.

“In other words, for target that needs about 36 bombs to be destroyed, one will have to deploy six Tejas as against just three Gripen or F-16,” the IAF has told the government.The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16.

The cost of maintaining the Tejas is much higher than the other fighters. Also, both the F-16 and Gripen has a life-span of 40 years against just 20 of Tejas. And, in some areas the vintage Russian made Mig-21 is better than Tejas, the IAF is understood to have told the government.

India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years.

So far, the IAF has ordered 123 Tejas fighters but wants a better single-engine fighter to make up for the huge-shortfall in the fighter strength. Of the 123 Tejas fighters, only 40 will be Tejas Mark-1 and the rest 83 will be an upgraded version.

 

[Pulkit]

Can Anyone please tell me that's not what IAF Said? Please Please

 

[aditya10r]

Okay understandable,then why the hell did you ask for a light aircraft when you want capabilities of a medium aircraft??????

And also the mk2 will have higher payload and range than the mk1a,so better wait for it and stay committed to Tejas program.

And when f-16 and Gripen had failed in MMRCA program then why are these guys considering them now????..

 

[tejas warrior]

http://idrw.org/tejas-far-behind-competitors-not-enough-to-protect-indian-skies-iaf/


Tejas – the indigenously made Light-Combat single engine fighter – isn’t enough to protect Indian skies, the India Air Force (IAF) has told the government. The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said.
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only. Recently, the IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can’t meet India’s requirements.

Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the “endurance” of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.

“In other words, for target that needs about 36 bombs to be destroyed, one will have to deploy six Tejas as against just three Gripen or F-16,” the IAF has told the government.The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16.

The cost of maintaining the Tejas is much higher than the other fighters. Also, both the F-16 and Gripen has a life-span of 40 years against just 20 of Tejas. And, in some areas the vintage Russian made Mig-21 is better than Tejas, the IAF is understood to have told the government.

India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years.

So far, the IAF has ordered 123 Tejas fighters but wants a better single-engine fighter to make up for the huge-shortfall in the fighter strength. Of the 123 Tejas fighters, only 40 will be Tejas Mark-1 and the rest 83 will be an upgraded version.

The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

Wish this is true.

 

[kstriya]

The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

Wish this is true.

Why don’t they name and sack the IAF officials who quoted the limitations based on their GSQR or requirements for a lightweight fighter to replace MIG 21, I hope They would have been reprimanded by the DM or MOD officials

 

[mayfair]

IDRW has the same credibility as the Hakeem Usmani Gupt rog viseshyagya advertisements that begin to appear on walls running alongside railway tracks as one begins to enter NCR railway zone.

That said, even a broken clock is right twice a day- if it is indeed true that GoI has ordered IAF to scarp the MII-SE tender, it certainly calls for a lungi dance.

LCA all the way.

 

[Steven Rogers]

http://idrw.org/tejas-far-behind-competitors-not-enough-to-protect-indian-skies-iaf/


Tejas – the indigenously made Light-Combat single engine fighter – isn’t enough to protect Indian skies, the India Air Force (IAF) has told the government. The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said.
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only. Recently, the IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can’t meet India’s requirements.

Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the “endurance” of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.

“In other words, for target that needs about 36 bombs to be destroyed, one will have to deploy six Tejas as against just three Gripen or F-16,” the IAF has told the government.The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16.

The cost of maintaining the Tejas is much higher than the other fighters. Also, both the F-16 and Gripen has a life-span of 40 years against just 20 of Tejas. And, in some areas the vintage Russian made Mig-21 is better than Tejas, the IAF is understood to have told the government.

India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years.

So far, the IAF has ordered 123 Tejas fighters but wants a better single-engine fighter to make up for the huge-shortfall in the fighter strength. Of the 123 Tejas fighters, only 40 will be Tejas Mark-1 and the rest 83 will be an upgraded version.

They are quoting problems from 2009-10 report which was represented by CAG to, while most of their claims are highly questionable, LCA is on production and availability of spares will be significantly improved since HAL has started producing the aircraft en-masse, this fucking lobby and corrupt Indian officers will get retirement clause with the LM and saab for the sake of a contract which is nothing but assembling.

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[VIP]

Okay understandable,then why the hell did you ask for a light aircraft when you want capabilities of a medium aircraft??????

And also the mk2 will have higher payload and range than the mk1a,so better wait for it and stay committed to Tejas program.

And when f-16 and Gripen had failed in MMRCA program then why are these guys considering them now????..

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[binayak95]

Hey Bhagwaan. Everybody is blowing steam over a non-issue. The IAF is not saying that it does not want the Tejas. Its saying that the Tejas platform will take time to mature and enter full ops service. The IAF has already committed to both the Mk1A and the MKII.
All that the IAF is saying is that while the Tejas programme matures, it wants the Gripen to stand in for sheer numbers.

The Govt wants the F-16.

Yeh media waale beheki baatein pe mat jao.

 

[aditya10r]

The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

Wish this is true.

If the project is scrapped then I would offer 20kgs Prasad to shri Hanuman.

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These two jets have already failed in MMRCA tests,Tejas all the way.

Get back to the plan of 294 Tejas and 126 rafales.

 

[Kshithij]

http://idrw.org/tejas-far-behind-competitors-not-enough-to-protect-indian-skies-iaf/


Tejas – the indigenously made Light-Combat single engine fighter – isn’t enough to protect Indian skies, the India Air Force (IAF) has told the government. The response came after the South Block asked the IAF to scrap its plans of acquiring single-engine fighters from global, top sources told India Today.

The IAF said the Tejas is far behind its competitors like the JAS 39 Gripen manufactured by the Swedish aerospace company Saab and the US made F-16 manufactured by Lockheed Martin, sources said.
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only. Recently, the IAF made a presentation to the government to explain why Tejas alone can’t meet India’s requirements.

Documents accessed by India Today reveal that the IAF has told the government that the “endurance” of Tejas in combat is just about 59 minutes as against 3 hours of Gripen and nearly 4 fours for the F-16. Also, Tejas can carry a pay-load of about three tons against nearly six tons and seven tons by the Gripen and F-16 respectively.

“In other words, for target that needs about 36 bombs to be destroyed, one will have to deploy six Tejas as against just three Gripen or F-16,” the IAF has told the government.The IAF has also said Tejas needs 20 hours of serving for every hour of flying as against six hours for Gripen and 3.5 hours for F-16.

The cost of maintaining the Tejas is much higher than the other fighters. Also, both the F-16 and Gripen has a life-span of 40 years against just 20 of Tejas. And, in some areas the vintage Russian made Mig-21 is better than Tejas, the IAF is understood to have told the government.

India is desperate for single-engine fighters to replace aging MiG-21s. The country needs at least 42 fighter squadrons to fight a two front war, but currently has only 33 squadrons. And, at least another 11 fighter squadrons of the IAF will have to be retired in the next two years.

So far, the IAF has ordered 123 Tejas fighters but wants a better single-engine fighter to make up for the huge-shortfall in the fighter strength. Of the 123 Tejas fighters, only 40 will be Tejas Mark-1 and the rest 83 will be an upgraded version.

How is the track record of IDRW? Pretty bad. Why would anyone trust it?

Also, the fact that Gripen can store 6ton of payload vs 3-4 ton in Tejas would mean that 2 Tejas is needed in place of gripen. But, in terms of hardpoint, the difference in Gripen and Tejas is maybe 1 hardpoint. F16 has 2 more hardpoint. So, it is simply uncalled for to only consider payload.

Tejas needs 20 hour service for every hpur of flight - Tejas is made to appear worse than MiG2and JF17. Also, endurance of Tejas is about 1.5-2 hour in patrol and 1 hour in intense combat.

This is because Tejas has a fuel capacity of 3000 litres. Gripen and F16 have 4000 litres internal fuel. The endurance of these will be about 1 hour 10 minutes. Not really a big deal. The internal fuel ferry range is 1700km, which at mach 0.8-0.9 is about 1hour 45 minutes. With intensive combat mode, it will have to use afterburner and hence its combat radius becomes 450km. And its endurance is 1 hour. That is also pretty normal.

These presstitutes will simply corrupt the atmosphere with one sided article.

 

[Kshithij]

Hey Bhagwaan. Everybody is blowing steam over a non-issue. The IAF is not saying that it does not want the Tejas. Its saying that the Tejas platform will take time to mature and enter full ops service. The IAF has already committed to both the Mk1A and the MKII.
All that the IAF is saying is that while the Tejas programme matures, it wants the Gripen to stand in for sheer numbers.

The Govt wants the F-16.

Yeh mdeia waale beheki baatein pe mat jao.

If the project is scrapped then I would offer 20kgs Prasad to shri Hanuman.

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These two jets have already failed in MMRCA tests,Tejas all the way.

Get back to the plan of 294 Tejas and 126 rafales.

Let us not speak anything that is in our mind.

Do you have evidence that government wants F16?