IDF is a Pakistani Forum that Attacked DFI !

[A.V.]

Asim just when I came you left!!! Loser!!!

AV - let's accept that IDF is some website owned by some Pakistani dude - ki farq painda hai?

Tussi apni dunya vich khush rawao tey let others enjoy where they want to be.

And yes, sau annay ki baat, all those who are involved in JUVENILE activities such as hacking each others fora, please stop.

BOLD PART why attack DFI ? why host a hacked indian database? Why accuse DFI of attacks? Why IDF admin says he is supported by DEFF.PK to attack DFI?

Got any answers then reply dont divert the issue , your admin had no answers , the heck he dosnet know who IDF admin is , heck he said that def.pk webmaster is epicenter to all this attacks .

What more proof you need ELMO .

DFI was attacked yesterday night as well. where is the answer ELMO.

 

[A.V.]

Bloody hell, I didnt even know the existence of IDF till I came here.

I am so technologically and visually challenged that webby had to place the "Elmo skin" the last time around to make it easier for me to navigate.

I have never even been on IDF nor intend to. I have joined enough fora and barely get the time to post in others.

I do want to join BR but let's see - I dont have a paid account email or whatever they require.

Point being - close to a 1000 posts over NOTHING! All these hacking, DDOS attacks and venom against each other - Elmo doesn't like it.

what is this bold part against each other , we just made a thread and the epicenter is def..pk as claimed by asim himself go back 5 pages and read .

who attacked who ? all attacks originate form one place , there is no each other here , we have got nothing to do with any attacks , we have just opned a thread here to make members aware but the worst is the attacks originating form .



ELMO :- reply to any of the posts and claims i made with any substantial proff you have. you will have no idea about IDF its natural even ASIM had no idea and believ what the site was hosted on your server for 1.5 years and had links to your site on main page.posted opnely asked members to join that and mods knew everything .

whats is so strange now to deny it , even ASIM made a miserable attempt to deny it but could not

 

[Elmo]

BOLD PART why attack DFI ? why host a hacked indian database ? Why accuse DFI of attacks ? Why IDF admin says he is supported by DEFF.PK to attack DFI?


Got any answers then reply dont divert the issue , your admin had no answers , the heck he dosnet know who IDF admin is , heck he said that def.pk webmaster is epicenter to all this attacks .

What more proff you need ELMO .

DFI was attacked yesterday night aswell .where is the answer ELMO.

I got questions for you as well: can you prove that def.pk attacked DFI? Second, who and where did anyone accuse DFI of attacking?

For what webby told me, it's the Russians! No one said Indians!!!

 

[Elmo]

what is this bold part against each other , we just made a thread and the epicenter is def..pk as claimed by asim himself go back 5 pages and read .

who attacked who ? all attacks originate form one place , there is no each other here , we have got nothing to do with any attacks , we have just opned a thread here to make members aware but the worst is the attacks originating form .



ELMO :- reply to any of the posts and claims i made with any substantial proff you have

Elmo is an unpaid, overworked moderator who doesn't really care.

I have other stuff in the real world to do as well - such as saving lives. Which is wayyyyy bigger than the fora wars out here.

The against each other was the "venom" -

and AV, as for hacking and DDOS and proof for cyber-crimes, you are asking the wrong person.

How about this - close this thread, sticky it and bump it from time to time to highlight it. No point discussing it - will the 1001th post be any different, I doubt it. Let people decide.

 

[Daredevil]

I got questions for you as well: can you prove that def.pk attacked DFI? Second, who and where did anyone accuse DFI of attacking?

For what webby told me, it's the Russians! No one said Indians!!!

Timing and motivation was with def.pk and fake indian forum because we started exposing the nexus. Even DFI sister site which was not even 4 months old got DDOSed because we continued exposing the nexus. Otherwise why would a non-entity Indian political forum gets ddosed.

 

[Elmo]

Timing and motivation was with def.pk and fake indian forum because we started exposing the nexus. Even DFI sister site which was not even 4 months old got DDOSed because we continued exposing the nexus. Otherwise why would a non-entity Indian political forum gets ddosed.

Super mod - you gotta give proof!

It's not community acquired pneumonia or meningitis or some other infectious disease.

Causal relationships have to be proven as well -

 

[sadhartha]

Asim just when I came you left!!! Loser!!!

AV - let's accept that IDF is some website owned by some Pakistani dude - ki farq painda hai?

Tussi apni dunya vich khush rawao tey let others enjoy where they want to be.

And yes, sau annay ki baat, all those who are involved in JUVENILE activities such as hacking each others fora, please stop.

You don't think you delicately accepting? Or may be SUPPOSE was appropriate word?

 

[Elmo]

You don't think you delicately accepting? Or may be SUPPOSE was appropriate word?

Dont get into the semantics.

Iss tarah tau we'll have to open the thesaurus.

Lets' = suppose till proven otherwise. English is not even your mother tongue. and this post of yours will get deleted as well. so stay mum.

 

[Daredevil]

Super mod - you gotta give proof!

It's community acquired pneumonia or meningitis or some other infectious disease.

Causal relationships have to be proven as well -

What proofs? DDOS proofs? We have proof that we are attacked because we were down. DDOS by nature comes from 1000s of compromised IPs. I can give you all IPs if you want but that means nothing. As I said, the attacks started when we started the expose the nexus between your forum and the fake forum. And the next minute we get attacked. Timing and motivation suggests it must be you. who else has the beef with us at that exact timing that a sophisticated attack is launched on us. We never faced DDOSing in 3 years of our existence but viola the moment we expose we are attacked. That, my dear is called circumstantial evidence for a reason. Everything won't have a physical proof.

 

[LurkerBaba]

What proofs? DDOS proofs? We have proof that we are attacked because we were down. DDOS by nature comes from 1000s of compromised IPs. I can give you all IPs if you want but that means nothing. As I said, the attacks started when we started the expose the nexus between your forum and the fake forum. And the next minute we get attacked. Timing and motivation suggests it must be you. who else as the beef with us at that exact timing that a sophisticated attack is launched on us. We never faced DDOSing in 3 years of our existence but viola the moment we expose we are attacked. That is my dear called circumstantial evidence for a reason. Everything won't have a physical proof.

You forgot the part when an offer was made, to buy us out

 

[Elmo]

That, my dear is called circumstantial evidence for a reason. Everything won't have a physical proof.

And that my dear will be my reply to AV's insistence for proof. Not everything will have physical proof.

 

[Elmo]

@ everyone: i have read this entire thread from beginning till now.

It's just become a mud-slinging fest. Close it., make it a sticky, bump it from time to time and let the users decide. There is nothing to debate here.

 

[A.V.]

Defence ..pk is 5 times the size of small DFI forums and its a shame they engage in NET TERRORISM with the help of fake IDF .


well done net terrorists , all users you can either take it or leave it as you want . We have opened thread with documents and proof over these many weeks.

 

[Singh]

I try avoiding chopping posts but you make so many points !

Hey I'm just fresh out of grad-school, no Da needed!

I just came back from Kolkatta, so all bongs are dada's for me. Kemon achche ! Khoob Bhalo !

I get the ISI fund part by reading various posts in this forum and BR and also by a thread created by one of the forum admins. It's hard to get the official statement of this forum as everyone has the leeway of saying everything.

Rather appear incoherent and make a point than appear coherent and not make a point. We are a bit like Team Anna right now.

We all have busy professional and personal lives and spare whatever time we can for DFI. It is sometimes tough to co-ordinate.

You're stretching the matter too far, it's just the interweb and neither this forum or defense.pk are affiliated with respective nation that you represent. I hold loyalty to none of you.

Again, Abirda, you are misconstruing what I said.
My larger point is you have certain expectations from a forum, and we have a certain vision of how a forum is to be. We bought should strive for a golden mean.

We are not perfect, if you give us feedback or suggestion we will hear you out. Use the suggestion and feedback subforum, or send PM to one of us. You are unfortunately making points on a thread, where you can be easily misconstrued or your intentions may be seen in a different light.

Once again that was spoken keeping a broader perspective in mind, not limiting to but including this forum. I don't know what goes on behind the curtail just as I didn't know what really happened to Neo.

Neo used to frequent DFI after he was ousted from Defpk. I have had long chats with him on Shoutbox. I consider our team to be quite well informed on the happenings of the forum world.

That being said, atleast I am not doing anything behind the curtains ? Apologies if I don't understand what you are trying to imply.

Being passionate is fine as long as you keep a civil limit, once again that is not directed to you but some other posters in this forum.

Next time this happens please report the post, or send a PM to one of the concerned members. We generally tend to be a bit civil but the incidents of past few weeks have us also riled up. At least those who used to call us boring will stop complaining now.

Yes, but it's not clear if Tariq is indeed a Pakistani, he has his own defense as well.

Is there even a Tariq ?

The moot point is IDF is run by Pakistanis, that is unacceptable.

But anyway what implication are you talking about really? We all went through AUP and know not to share personal info in interweb, Defense professionals know that more than anyone else.

The members of the defunct IDF also went through AUP, when they got hacked they couldn't get back up because so much of their personal info was out in the open. And today most of the fake forum members' ids have been harvested from the hacked db.

Personally,being an admin, I am privileged and humble to be privy to a lot of classified information. I have also learned immensely about India from so many of our members. If I wish to turn rogue right now, I can do some damage. That's all I am going to say.

Why would you sell, if they offered you to buy out that means you did create a ripple, at this point selling will be very stupid idea.

This was when they had just come out with bharatmilitary. But anyways I digress.

I have no issues with you waging an information war against def.pk, that's the correct thing to do as can be witnessed by presence of Asim here, I have issues with name callings and the condensing tone towards those who visit other forums. Don't you think needless profanity makes your case rather weak one?

It certainly doesn't make our case stronger, but you have to put yourself in our shoes. I understand why you feel hurtful. This is a case of misunderstanding and judging each other. I hope you haven't taken anything to the heart ?

Give us some time, we will ensure that there is civility no matter whatever our differences. In the meanwhile, don't get inflamed just bear for a bit.

PS: Reminds me of Zakir Naik's response; a man said to him why do you call non muslims kaafirs, its hurtful and rude, zakir naik said if you don't want to be hurt by being called a kaffir, convert to islam.

 

[Yusuf]

@ everyone: i have read this entire thread from beginning till now.

It's just become a mud-slinging fest. Close it., make it a sticky, bump it from time to time and let the users decide. There is nothing to debate here.

There was nothing to debate here at the outset. It was an information thread.

You didn't have to join the "debate".

 

[tarunraju]

You forgot the part when an offer was made, to buy us out

Oh I remember that.

 

[Ray]

All one can say it that all this is most amazing and so cloak and dagger!

The house of card collapses!

 

[Yusuf]

The thread will be updated when he mods get any new info. The thread Remains closed. Let's get on with other topics.

 

[A.V.]

Some of the points by defence...pk owner ASIM when confronted on this thread. Read and see how futile an attempt he made to deny all and make a fool of all the users.

Asim why is WDN accusing us or attacking us ?

My reply :-

No reply . NO proff major DDOS cant be proven 10000 of ips attacking same time, but tariq khan of WDN did open his mouth wide about attacks all over proff is posted.

Indirect question :- Asim IS cheenalmai involved ?

Cheenamalai = webmaster defence ..pk ?

ASIMS reply :-

Lol @ Cheenamalai - ISI codename?

Proved :-

This is what we call ignorance. Sorry to see that you don't know your Cheenamalai friend . You are not even aware of your own webmaster's e-mail. Wow, just wow.




WHY is TARIQ KHAN and his forum Accusing us ?

ASIM S REPLY :-

Who the heck is Tariq Khan? Anyway IDF is no longer in anyway associated with PDF. And no I don't think you guys are capable of attacking PDF

My reply :-

LOL what a joke , you dont know who is tariq khan ? because he dosent exist maybe.

ASIM pick your brains this tariq khan guys came to your forum , spreading links to his INDIAN site last year and inviting members openly and you allowed it , we have PMS sent form your forum to members asking them to join fake IDF , we have tariq khan threatening DFI with emails claiming :- EYE FOR AN EYE






So tariq khan says he got help from defence..pk ? [ [Today 03:05 AM] tariqkhan18 : IDF was started by me because of defence . pk ] ]


Asims Reply

It may be a revelation to you but I live in Dubai dude... He may know webmaster, however he's not anyone who shows up on our radar and if you go check again IDF is no longer associated with us.

My reply

Well done ASIM the webmaster of the forum you own is linked to this whole scam , can you deny this ?

see posts on the previous page , your WDN sites accused us of trying to attack just 2 days ago.

So you know nothing about the site which you own ? what a comment asim

IDF is not linked LOL , you are kidding , how does that matter ? this site was hosted on your network for over 1.5 years and you know nothing .


ASIM as owner of WDN do you know the registarar of turkery defence website whcih is hosted on your server and linked to your site ? or the owner of chinese defence registrant

No reply

ASIM Silent . Silent = Acknowledgement .

Originally Posted by Ray
Asim,

I am disappointed with you after reading AV's post.

I did not expect it from you!

Ray, you didn't expect it from me since I'm not the sort to be involved in the shenanigans they accuse me of.


Wow the owner of the site trying to deny facts , cant digest owner dosnt know what sites are hosted on his server , and what actions is taken by his site , or who is the webmaster of his website.





First he dosnet know Cheenamalai , his own webmasters email ? can you believe that , his his own forum has that image .

Second he says :- who the heck is tariq ? then says he knows webmaster . then implies webmaster is linked to attacking other websites with this tariq looser.

Then he never mentiones how his server hosted a hacked database for over 1.5 years , why his wdn scam has site names of other nations owned by tariq khan as registrant .


Asim tried to make an argument in denial and see the results .

next he will say what is defence..pk ? i dont know anything . LOL all this coming from owner and admin of defence..pk one of the biggest defence forums around.




SHAME SHAME i am sad to see defence..pk in this mindset and affairs as dirty as this .




Points in favour of Asim


What is the scam? That Tariq says he knows webmaster? I don't even know Tariq.

ANS :- SCAM is this this tariq khan owns sites on your network which goes by the name of chinese def , iran def and turkish def. and all WDN and hosted on your server.and he openly accepts to attacking us and accusing us .

I have no ownership of WDN nor any operative privilleges.


Ans :- Means def..pk is independent of WDN is it ? i dont see it that way . def..pk is the one who started WDN and , so well and good , you have no control over WDN attacking us either.


To tell you the truth, IDF being a non-entity for us never really mattered. Now that its gotten big enough we mutually decided to part ways. From this point on they are your headache.


Ans :- But you said you dont even know tariq ? how did you part ways when you dont even know him , Asim who is this guy of WDN who is representing your forum , he is the biggest crook then.

It's called professional collaboration. If DFI had shown the same maturity other sites also did we would have given you all professional perks and courtesies as well. We do not do this in exchange for ownership, just professionalism which this place severely lacks.

Ans : Yes DFI is a bad place , we know it because we dint accept the invitation to buy us out, Grapes are sour my friend . happens.....


You still haven't told me what do you want me to do about IDF... and what do you want me to do at PDF that would end this feud.

Ans The feud :- lol , its just one end friend WDN and its partners are attacking and blaming us , how can you stop this when you dont know or have rights to WDN.

Asim your good intentions will not matter until and unless you get hold of those WDN guy representing your forum and who is spreading this net terrorism., so get hold of that guy first and talk to him to stop attacking us.

 

[Daredevil]

Bump to the thread - to the new members and guests this is to inform you that IDF which is a pakistani run fake indian forum which has been thoroughly exposed by us earlier. Please read from the start.