IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[asianobserve]

Don't quote Indian Media, according to them K9 vajra is a "tank self propelled hovercraft" they know ratshit abou Defense matters, instead i would suggest you to pay attention on specific words used by IAF spokesman.
"During combat, use of F-16 by PAF&multiple launches of AMRAAM were conclusively observed.Prompt&correct tactical action by Su-30 aircraft,in response to AMRAAM launch,defeated the missile", note the usage of words - " prompt and correct tactical actions by Su 30".

Ignorance much more laziness is not an excuse for media. It s the job of reporters to learn the topic they are reporting. Besides, all news articles submitted for print or reporting must be fact-checked and proof-read.

 

[Aghore_King]

Ignorance much more laziness is not an excuse for media. It s the job of reporters to learn the topic they are reporting. Besides, all news articles submitted for print or reporting must be fact-checked and proof-read.

Our Media houses are TRP hungry beasts, they don't give a fck about fact checking, there is a reason why we jingoes calls them Presstitutes...

 

[mayfair]

Ignorance much more laziness is not an excuse for media. It s the job of reporters to learn the topic they are reporting. Besides, all news articles submitted for print or reporting must be fact-checked and proof-read.

There's a big difference between MUST and ARE.

This is why so-many news stories are either redacted or clarifications are issued later.

 

[rone]

Military establishment is not fool enough to publish classified resolution for ego satisfaction, becoz if mil stat pics went out with its calssified resolution it's a easy counter for enemy's, also commerical sats not have same resolution of mil stats

 

[asianobserve]

Military establishment is not fool enough to publish classified resolution for ego satisfaction, becoz if mil stat pics went out with its calssified resolution it's a easy counter for enemy's, also commerical sats not have same resolution of mil stats

Commercial sats have hi res photo capability at least on par with or even better than 80's military sat imaging quality, which is already very good. Note that even 60's military sat photos are already good enough to count humans on the ground. So spotting an F-16 wreck on the ground will not be much of an issue to modern commercial satellites.

 

[asianobserve]

There's a big difference between MUST and ARE.

This is why so-many news stories are either redacted or clarifications are issued later.

But claiming that an AMRAAM missile was shot down by an MKI is a whole different ball game. This attempt at word play is beyond media carelessness or laziness. This has some intentional slant to it.

 

[ezsasa]

Commercial sats have hi res photo capability at least on par with or even better than 80's military sat imaging quality, which is already very good. Note that even 60's military sat photos are already good enough to count humans on the ground. So spotting an F-16 wreck on the ground will not be much of an issue to modern commercial satellites.

Point is not that commercial satellites cannot take picture, it is about the golden hour.

Pakis are very good at coverups, enough historical examples to prove that.

Better take the re-scan of the crash site before evidence is destroyed.

 

[asianobserve]

Point is not that commercial satellites cannot take picture, it is about the golden hour.

Pakis are very good at coverups, enough historical examples to prove that.

Better take the re-scan of the crash site before evidence is destroyed.

What better evidence of Pakistan's loss than a proof of the cleaned up crash site (plane crash makes a peculiar impression or destruction on tge ground)? Surely not even the Pakis can totally regrow the trees or shrubs burned down by the crash or patch up the crater left by the crash in 48 hours... So even if the Pakis are able to remove the debris in 24 hours, clear signs of the crash will remain on site and visible from satellites for several more days after that.

 

[Immanuel]

First, IAF has a process of BDA and thorough debriefing, while they can give initial info based on all data. They only credited the shot to Wing Co. after conclusively reviewing all proof once he got back. IAF clarified an F-16 was shot down, keep in mind Netra and whole other bunch of sensors were recording everything. Why should IAF need to prove anything actually? IAF is professional AF that not only trains and operates with other AFs, they have proven themselves to be very deadly in all grand exercises. So please for those asking for proof, have patience or choke on it.

Meanwhile, it is thoroughly hilarious to see Pukis sink deeper in their own shit filled gutter of lies.

One should know by now, India and Indians have a history of being a sober and sincere country on the world stage. while Puki's have been the proverbial warts infected asshole. If one can't note this world of difference between India and Pakistan, I would say their head is stuck firmly up their behinds.

 

[Bleh]

What better evidence of Pakistan's loss than a proof of the cleaned up crash site (plane crash makes a peculiar impression or destruction on tge ground)?

If you don't know the exact location of the crash site, you can't scan every inch of the country for our.
That's the reason radars are still used instead of just satellite imagery.

Nations consider Radar signatures readings as evidence, but that's not something to be released to public.

Lockheed Martin not saying a word, against the claim of their champion fighter jet being sir down for the 1st time by a vintage relic is proof enough. (..Actually Porkis once said LM will sue India Govt. for misinformation, but LM themselves publicly rejected that.)

 

[asianobserve]

First, IAF has a process of BDA and thorough debriefing, while they can give initial info based on all data. They only credited the shot to Wing Co. after conclusively reviewing all proof once he got back. IAF clarified an F-16 was shot down, keep in mind Netra and whole other bunch of sensors were recording everything. Why should IAF need to prove anything actually? IAF is professional AF that not only trains and operates with other AFs, they have proven themselves to be very deadly in all grand exercises. So please for those asking for proof, have patience or choke on it.

Whoever claims has the burden of proof.

If the IAF is claiming it has shot down a PAF plane especislly after its own plane was shot down then it must back up that claim with proof. An A2A kill isno easy task and if proven true this clsim is a big credit to the IAF and a huge blow to PAF.

Meanwhile, it is thoroughly hilarious to see Pukis sink deeper in their own shit filled gutter of lies.

One should know by now, India and Indians have a history of being a sober and sincere country on the world stage. while Puki's have been the proverbial warts infected asshole. If one can't note this world of difference between India and Pakistan, I would say their head is stuck firmly up their behinds.

Most people around the World are actually intelligent enough to see through fogs of lies. We know that Paki military is a pathological liar. So everything they claim will always be taken with a truckload of salt. But in the aerial clash between the IAF and PAF it was actually the PAF that was able to back up one of their claims that it shot down an IAF Mig21 by presenting its wreck and its captured pilot. But their other claim of shooting down an MKI appears to be a long shot at the moment, even more bleak than IAF's F-16 shot down claim.

 

[ezsasa]

First, IAF has a process of BDA and thorough debriefing, while they can give initial info based on all data. They only credited the shot to Wing Co. after conclusively reviewing all proof once he got back. IAF clarified an F-16 was shot down, keep in mind Netra and whole other bunch of sensors were recording everything. Why should IAF need to prove anything actually? IAF is professional AF that not only trains and operates with other AFs, they have proven themselves to be very deadly in all grand exercises. So please for those asking for proof, have patience or choke on it.

Meanwhile, it is thoroughly hilarious to see Pukis sink deeper in their own shit filled gutter of lies.

One should know by now, India and Indians have a history of being a sober and sincere country on the world stage. while Puki's have been the proverbial warts infected asshole. If one can't note this world of difference between India and Pakistan, I would say their head is stuck firmly up their behinds.

Chief has already declared last year that we are fighting a hybrid warfare, which includes information warfare.

Post BDA, the responses given by the forces are still within the realm of conventional warfare. Information warfare has not been addressed.

 

[asianobserve]

If you don't know the exact location of the crash site, you can't scan every inch of the country for our.
That's the reason radars are still used instead of just satellite imagery.

Nations consider Radar signatures readings as evidence, but that's not something to be released to public.

Lockheed Martin not saying a word, against the claim of their champion fighter jet being sir down for the 1st time by a vintage relic is proof enough. (..Actually Porkis once said LM will sue India Govt. for misinformation, but LM themselves publicly rejected that.)

IAF satellites, AWACS, ground based radars and other aircraft no doubt were monitoring the aerial engagement and thus have precise or at least defined data on the locations of the planes involved. So you do not need to look at every inch of Pakistani soil to find the crash site.

In fact, I will wager that minutes after the IAF Mig21 was shot down the IAF would be able to get a precise fix and picture of the crash site.

 

[Bleh]

IAF satellites, AWACS, ground based radars and other aircraft no doubt were monitoring the aerial engagement and thus have precise or at least defined data on the locations of the planes involved. So you do not need to look at every inch of Pakistani soil to find the crash site.

In fact, I will wager that minutes after the IAF Mig21 was shot down the IAF would be able to get a precise fix and picture of the crash site.

That's true. But unlike Gafoora replacing debunked lies with new ones every hour in the Paki twitter handle, India govt doesn't give enough shit to release sat photos... never did. A map was released with a few lines on it describe the flight path of all aircrafts. It was shared in the other thread somewhere.
Maybe they provided to radar signatures to LM or USA, because the kill was declared official after 3 (or 4?) whole days.

And as i said, Lockheed Martin kept completely mum against the claim of their champion fighter jet being shot down for the 1st time by a vintage relic.

 

[Dazzler]

In the meantime, IF Migs continue to display their favorite posture..

 

[ezsasa]

In the meantime, IF Migs continue to display their favorite posture..

This is what i call a favourite pose...

 

[asianobserve]

That's true. But unlike Gafoora replacing debunked lies with new ones every hour in the Paki twitter handle, India govt doesn't give enough shit to release sat photos... never did. A map was released with a few lines on it describe the flight path of all aircrafts. It was shared in the other thread somewhere.
Maybe they provided to radar signatures to LM or USA, because the kill was declared official after 3 (or 4?) whole days.

And as i said, Lockheed Martin kept completely mum against the claim of their champion fighter jet being shot down for the 1st time by a vintage relic.

The F-16 is not invincible. It can and has been shot down before. In fact I would go on to say that all modern fighters can be shot down by older fighters given the right tactics, luck and enough stupidity on the part of the pilot of the unfortunate aircraft, F-22 included. So it is definitely within reasonable probability that an F-16 was shot down by an older Mig-21. But possibility is not proof.

Anyway, even if a Mig-21 indeed shot down an F-16 it still does not mean that the Mig-21 is better than an F-16.

In your case, given a hypothetical situation wherein you are a fighter pilot and to go up against another pilot who is equally trained and experienced as you are on a 1 on 1 dogfight, will you choose Mig-21 over F-16?

 

[Bleh]

This is what i call a favourite pose...

They have their own too.. In that border village 2-4 km from the border, Khenkaran, where they were stopped trying to take Amritsar.

Anyway, even if a Mig-21 indeed shot down an F-16 it still does not mean that the Mig-21 is better than an F-16.

Of course it isn't! Whoever says Mig-21 is at par with F-16 is completely insane!!!

Mig-21Bison with all the tech (Radar, BVR, HMD, Jammer) upgrades is still an inferior, unreliable & much older platform. It's no match to the other's latest counterpart... F-21.

 

[ezsasa]

What better evidence of Pakistan's loss than a proof of the cleaned up crash site (plane crash makes a peculiar impression or destruction on tge ground)? Surely not even the Pakis can totally regrow the trees or shrubs burned down by the crash or patch up the crater left by the crash in 48 hours... So even if the Pakis are able to remove the debris in 24 hours, clear signs of the crash will remain on site and visible from satellites for several more days after that.

All you need is an axe and a heavy duty truck to cut a tree and drag it over to cover whatever small craters that the crash would have caused.

 

[Bleh]

All you need is an axe and a heavy duty truck to cut a tree and drag it over to cover whatever small craters that the crash would have caused.

Actually while trees can be transplanted... With many highways being widened, it's often been done in India. But Pakis might not have that kind of expertise.