IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Foxbat]

The PAF and their F-16 fleet size is a black box which they only know of. How many planes are currently operational how many are lost in accidents is a mystery.

Between the 8 year period between 1986 to 1994 the PAF lost 8 F-16s in "accidents". This includes one which might have been shot down by a Russian Mig-23 but is counted as a own goal by another F-16.

For 15 years between 1994 to 2009 the PAF lost only 1 F-16 in an accident.

For the next 10 years between 2009 and 2019 not a single one was lost.

Interesting point to note during the 1980s-90s the PAF only had 34-45 F-16s and the maximum attrition rate along with a full supply of spares and support from the US.

When the numbers went by to 70+ the attrition rate became nearly zero and during this period it was under sanctions and spare part supplies were stopped. So 1 lost in 25 years with 70+ operational and 8 lost in 8 years with average of 40 operational.

I think someone is fudging the number's

Source: http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas.../airforce/PAF/

 

[ezsasa]

The PAF and their F-16 fleet size is a black box which they only know of. How many planes are currently operational how many are lost in accidents is a mystery.

Between the 8 year period between 1986 to 1994 the PAF lost 8 F-16s in "accidents". This includes one which might have been shot down by a Russian Mig-23 but is counted as a own goal by another F-16.

For 15 years between 1994 to 2009 the PAF lost only 1 F-16 in an accident.

For the next 10 years between 2009 and 2019 not a single one was lost.

Interesting point to note during the 1980s-90s the PAF only had 34-45 F-16s and the maximum attrition rate along with a full supply of spares and support from the US.

When the numbers went by to 70+ the attrition rate became nearly zero and during this period it was under sanctions and spare part supplies were stopped. So 1 lost in 25 years with 70+ operational and 8 lost in 8 years with average of 40 operational.

I think someone is fudging the number's

Source: http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas.../airforce/PAF/

See that’s where you missed the trick.. pakis use their #smartbum to think, and you don’t..

If F-16s were always parked, how will they crash..

 

[Neptune]

Don't expect any information coming out of their collective anuses as anything resembling the truth.
They lost the benefit of the doubt when they thought they could hide thousands of their casualties or lie to the one half about losing the other half of their country.

So did Pakistan ‘release’ some groundbreaking, earth shattering evidence of the supposed SU-30mki downing? I think by now someone would have posted it on here; however, so far I hear crickets. The Pakistanis were bluffing......Pakistanis are brainwashed enough to take their governments words. Its impossible to hid the wreckage of an SU-30 MKI in clear daylight in a country with a population of 1.3 billion people, of which 650+ million people have cellphones, not including cameras. Even in Pakistan where only 44 million people have cellphones, at least three different people captured Abhinandan‘s Mig-21. Likewise, the MI-17 wreckage completely dispels the Pakistani narrative of some elaborate Indian cover up, since Indian military personnel never confiscated anyone’s cameras or closed off the wreckage enough to prevent civilians from viewing it.

I can’t stress enough that in the past 10-30 years or so nearly every aircraft that has been shot down has been captured on video or photographed. This includes many crashed Indian aircraft. The Pakistanis can’t account for this discrepancy nor the MI-17 wreckage as I mentioned before.

The Pakistanis are dwarfs with infertility complex; they will probably build a few more shrines of fake SU-30 downing and spend millions more on ceremonies and events honoring and awarding Pakistan pilots with fake kills

 

[Kra]

I don't know 339&!3)₹_?₹?_

 

[Neptune]

The PAF and their F-16 fleet size is a black box which they only know of. How many planes are currently operational how many are lost in accidents is a mystery.

Between the 8 year period between 1986 to 1994 the PAF lost 8 F-16s in "accidents". This includes one which might have been shot down by a Russian Mig-23 but is counted as a own goal by another F-16.

For 15 years between 1994 to 2009 the PAF lost only 1 F-16 in an accident.

For the next 10 years between 2009 and 2019 not a single one was lost.

Interesting point to note during the 1980s-90s the PAF only had 34-45 F-16s and the maximum attrition rate along with a full supply of spares and support from the US.

When the numbers went by to 70+ the attrition rate became nearly zero and during this period it was under sanctions and spare part supplies were stopped. So 1 lost in 25 years with 70+ operational and 8 lost in 8 years with average of 40 operational.

I think someone is fudging the number's

Source: http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-databas.../airforce/PAF/

Earlier F-16s had higher attrition rates due to probably reliability issues. Part of it also is that Pakistani pilots never got much flying hours. After-all the Pakistani economy is comparable to poor African nations.

I spoke of the Afghanistan debacle before. Apologies for bringing it up again. The Pakistanis claimed they downed a Mig-23 bort number 55. I actually posted many pictures of that very same aircraft (bort 55) after it encountered Pakistan F-16s. Pakistan lied; the Mig-23 had some light shrapnel damage after it was ambushed but it landed and the Mig-23 pilots got on the tail of the Pakistani F-16 and would have shot at least 1 F-16 down but were officially forbidden to engage Pakistan aircraft. Interesting enough the Pakistanis ambushed the Mig-23s but somehow ended up with Mig-23s locking on to at least 1 F-16. Quiet embarrassing actually that a heavy, outdated interceptor that was never designed for dogfights achieved such feat. The Pakistanis still celebrate that fake shoot-down despite actually nearly getting shot down and failing their mission even after having the element of surprise. Point is it’s 100% proven that Pakistan lied about that encounter.

The Pakistanis also hid the loss of another F-16 when encountering other Soviet Mig-23s. It took them a month to acknowledge the loss but they claimed it was friendly fire. The Afghan government at the time outright said that a Soviet Mig-23 shot the F-16 down.

The Russians shot down hundreds of allied aircraft during the Korean War with one pilot having around 21kills. The Russian government kept it secret for decades so don’t expect the Russian government to reveal anything anytime soon. Notice too how humble the Russians were, in contrast the Pakistanis are boastful narcissists.

 

[Neptune]

I don't know 339&!3)₹_?₹?_

I don’t know of any other air force that pulls these shenanigans. Most pilots are generally forbidden to speak to media or discuss any operations, some pilots especially Israel hid their faces and Russian pilots often deny shooting down enemy aircraft.

Clown Air Force.

 

[Neptune]

Just a reminder. Send that Pakistan video and the pictures of the fake Pakistan awards and patches to the Russians. Hopefully they will rebuke Pakistan and cancel future arms delivery due to defamation since they invited foreign military observers to this fake event.


Official arms exporter: http://roe.ru/eng/


Sukhoi: https://www.uacrussia.ru/en/corporation/company/sukhoy/


Official Russian government Twitter accounts: https://twitter.com/kremlinrussia_e?lang=en

https://twitter.com/governmentrf?lang=en


Share this on social media. Use the email links and fax numbers to contact the Russians and let them know Pakistan is essentially smearing their intellectual property in front of foreign military observers.

 

[aarav]

I don’t know of any other air force that pulls these shenanigans. Most pilots are generally forbidden to speak to media or discuss any operations, some pilots especially Israel hid their faces and Russian pilots often deny shooting down enemy aircraft.

Clown Air Force.

Looks more like a bollywood award show with all those cuts and fake applause ,as if fake claim of SU30 wasn't enough paki momeen even claims to engage 9 platforms even though only 6 were air borne,all this shenanigans and no evidence ,all the claims by pakis about intercepting radio chatter is big BS,they were more obsessed about indian women controller getting award,talk about felling the burn,all this propaganda is for jihadi consumption,they did this type of bollywood ceremony after kargil too,to keep the morale of jihadis high , saurabh kalia's torturer was highest awardee and that those pakis who deserved real award were left to die ,only after indian army recommendation he got it,tells you about the facade of pakis

 

[Dazzler]

So much for Abhi shooting the F-16. The fourth missile...

 

[angeldude13]

I don’t know of any other air force that pulls these shenanigans. Most pilots are generally forbidden to speak to media or discuss any operations, some pilots especially Israel hid their faces and Russian pilots often deny shooting down enemy aircraft.

Clown Air Force.

It's propaganda dude. How do you think they make fool of jahil pakistani awam?

Some inbred paki was claiming that an paki airforce pilot shot down 5 Indian Airforce jet in 30 or 45 seconds.
At that time I thought you've got to be a special dumb kinda inbred to believe in fairytales like these but
then I saw the massive propaganda ran by the pork army around the year to control these inbred pukes.

Inbreeding and Propaganda = disaster porki quom.

 

[angeldude13]

So much for Abhi shooting the F-16. The fourth missile...



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We have a inbred pork in the house guys. Take it easy, have fun and try not to make him leave early.
Don't throw too much technical stuff at him. His inbred brain can take only so much.
@sayareakd

 

[Neptune]

So much for Abhi shooting the F-16. The fourth missile...




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I see nothing but a spent missile motor and a seeker that is designed to blow off before impact due to the explosive charge. The engine will not melt because its designed to sustain the burn of solid fuel, the only part that should be missing is the mid section that houses the propellent so Pakistan proved nothing here.

Answer this, where is the mysterious SU-30mki wreckage? 650 million cellular users in India and zero managed to capture photos or video of the SU-30, no one even captured the explosion or fireball on a clear day. Yet every other aircraft shot down recently yielded video of them going down or wreckage, a few examples: the Israeli F-16 that was shot down by Syria, Russian SU-24 shot down by Turkey, the Libyan Mig-23s shot down by France,’Syrian SU-22s shot down by the US but every aircraft Pakistan shoots down seems to never be found and Pakistan can’t ever provide HUD images even of that famous incident where a Pakistani pilot shot down 5 Indian aircraft in a few seconds




Explain why India did not hide the Mi-17 wreckage? Explain why no one had their phones confiscated explain why the Indian military allowed civilians to get so close to the wreckage? And Pakistan claims India is hiding SU-30 wreckage, so why not hid the MI-17 wreckage? After all India took months to investigate what happened to it.

Explain why Pakistan can’t provide satellite images of the wreckage since they should know the location? Explain why no third party has found any satellite wreckage?

Explain why Pakistan has not provided the names of the downed pilots or any proof of the shoot down?

Explain where is the 2 other pilots Pakistan claimed to have captured?

Explain when Lockheed sued India?

Explain how Pakistan claimed they didn’t use F-16s but then....AMRAAM wreckage was found.

Another aircraft Pakistan shamelessly claimed to have shot down and to this day Pakistanis get boners talking about it. The only problem is Pakistanis got embarrassed in this skirmish and lied:

Pakistan Air Force is built on lies.

 

[Deathstar]

So much for Abhi shooting the F-16. The fourth missile...



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Sorry dude u have to ask that lynched pilot unfortunately , we dont care u recognise him or not

 

[Sayaaf]

Sorry dude u have to ask that lynched pilot unfortunately , we dont care u recognise him or not

Which lynch pilot ? He is alive and giving interviews to Tv channels. 55:40.


You got any other proof for lynch pilots ?

 

[Sayaaf]

I see nothing but a spent missile motor and a seeker that is designed to blow off before impact due to the explosive charge. The engine will not melt because its designed to sustain the burn of solid fuel, the only part that should be missing is the mid section that houses the propellent so Pakistan proved nothing here.



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Answer this, where is the mysterious SU-30mki wreckage? 650 million cellular users in India and zero managed to capture photos or video of the SU-30, no one even captured the explosion or fireball on a clear day. Yet every other aircraft shot down recently yielded video of them going down or wreckage, a few examples: the Israeli F-16 that was shot down by Syria, Russian SU-24 shot down by Turkey, the Libyan Mig-23s shot down by France,’Syrian SU-22s shot down by the US but every aircraft Pakistan shoots down seems to never be found and Pakistan can’t ever provide HUD images even of that famous incident where a Pakistani pilot shot down 5 Indian aircraft in a few seconds




Explain why India did not hide the Mi-17 wreckage? Explain why no one had their phones confiscated explain why the Indian military allowed civilians to get so close to the wreckage? And Pakistan claims India is hiding SU-30 wreckage, so why not hid the MI-17 wreckage? After all India took months to investigate what happened to it.

Explain why Pakistan can’t provide satellite images of the wreckage since they should know the location? Explain why no third party has found any satellite wreckage?

Explain why Pakistan has not provided the names of the downed pilots or any proof of the shoot down?

Explain where is the 2 other pilots Pakistan claimed to have captured?

Explain when Lockheed sued India?

Explain how Pakistan claimed they didn’t use F-16s but then....AMRAAM wreckage was found.

Another aircraft Pakistan shamelessly claimed to have shot down and to this day Pakistanis get boners talking about it. The only problem is Pakistanis got embarrassed in this skirmish and lied:

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Pakistan Air Force is built on lies.

Asif ghafoor explained in his Press conference that 2 Pilots report was due to fog of war, as 2 units at 2 different locations saw abhinandan coming down. Hence He erroneously reporting 2 pilots which later corrected.

Just like Indians were initially claiming All the pilots and jets are accounted for on the day of 27 FEB and no aircraft was shot down

How A mi-17 was shot down by your own due to fog of war

So Asif ghafoor reporting 2 pilots was a mistake due to fog of war too.


The missile engine didn't leave the hardpoint. Why the engine section is still attached with hardpoint if it is still connected with hardpoint ?

Replace SU-30 wreckage questions and tell us where is F-16 wreckage ? Proof ?

 

[asianobserve]

This thread is a $hitshow of lies, half truths and jingoism.

There's no proof of F-16 shot down. With all the cellphones in Pakistan there's no single photo of debris that looks like F-16.

The same with MKI. There's simply no proof of Pakistani claim of its shot down.

The only established shot down was the Mig21 of Abhenadan.

I suggest this thread be transferred to the jokes section.

 

[shankyz]

Gafoora reporting 2 pilots was mistake in "fog" of war - Hahaha

Good. Now next:

Gafoora denied any F-16 or AIM usage, so why F16 pilots paraded in show and in memorial. Again "fog" of war that he forgot which planes participated.

Listen, there is a reason no one believes you and your pathetic country's lies anymore.

 

[Bosch]

Just like Indians were initially claiming All the pilots and jets are accounted for on the day of 27 FEB and no aircraft was shot down

Lies. India never claimed that all jets are accounted for.

This was the statement after f-16 was shot down.

 

[thethinker]

And right on cue, a day after Ghafoora's PAF event, the Chinese and Paki trolls suddenly find this thread and become active on this.


Magic!



"
Proud of our Air Force Shaheens under able command and leadership of Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan. India and Indian Airforce shall never forget 27 Feb 2019.
#MujahideenEaflakKoSalam"

Mods - please keep watch on Paki narrative building in this thread.

 

[Longewala]

This thread is a $hitshow of lies, half truths and jingoism.

There's no proof of F-16 shot down. With all the cellphones in Pakistan there's no single photo of debris that looks like F-16.

The same with MKI. There's simply no proof of Pakistani claim of its shot down.

The only established shot down was the Mig21 of Abhenadan.

I suggest this thread be transferred to the jokes section.

There is no proof of Osama bin laden's death, moon landing or that you have a brain.

Otherwise, we have sufficient, elaborate proof given by the IAF such as the sudden disappearance of the f-16 radar track.

And enough proof of Napakis lying through their teeth with previous f-16 versus mig-23 incidents or the infamous "shot down 5 IAF jets in 30 seconds" claim.

Anyone with a (unprovable) brain would know who to believe.

Anyway napak or their sympathiser have far bigger defeats in the last 70 years and bigger problems with their country.... so if denying Balakot, or the surgical strikes, or the f-16 kill gives them some khushi, to reh lo khush.
After all, it won't be too long before the Indian military enters their territory and bitch slaps them again.