Hypersonic Missiles

LETHALFORCE

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yes i know that but what im trying to say is find a customer that russia will approve of to. theres quiet a few countries that are in the market for asm's
There are a few countries waiting. The delay has been from Russia.
 

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@LETHALFORCE , the source you posted is mentioning about the present and future orders of 1000 and export potential of 2000.

But the maths doesn't add up. IA has four regiments of Brahmos.

Battery - 4 to 6 launchers with three missiles each, i.e. 12-18 ready to fire missiles.

Regiment - 3 x Batteries gives us 54-72 missiles, ready to fire.

Complete ready to fire number could be 108-144.

Lets assume a reloader for each launcher with 3 missiles. So additional 108-144. Plus two or maybe even three reloads worth in store. It should give us anywhere between 540-720. And keep in mind that the fourth regiment was ordered late i.e for mountain strike corps.

Order for 216 Brahmos-A also don't make much sense when the lighter but "equally effective" Brahmos-NG is in works. Which begs the question why would IAF order this huge amount of heavier version when lighter one will be available to them in few years or it could be that they are downplaying the range of Brahmos-A.
 

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Reason I am giving higher number

During the gulf war 2,000 tomahawk cruise missiles sub launched on Baghdad
Over three days before ground assault started. If india has a scenario on two different fronts I am hoping we have the numbers ready.
 

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Reason I am giving higher number

During the gulf war 2,000 tomahawk cruise missiles sub launched on Baghdad
Over three days before ground assault started. If india has a scenario on two different fronts I am hoping we have the numbers ready.
Precisely what I am trying to convey. India needs thousands and thousands of Tomahawk equivalent. Brahmos is not a tomahawk equivalent, Nirhbay is.
 

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http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/02/14/mobile_agni_game_changer_or_risky_gambit_41351

Mobile Agni: Game changer or risky gambit?
14 February 2015 RAKESH KRISHNAN SIMHA
In a giant leap for India’s deterrence capability, the country recently conducted the third consecutive successful launch of the Agni V strategic missile. Road mobile strategic missiles were developed by Russia because they are more survivable but considering the security environment in South Asia, it could be a risky option.


Agni V strategic missile. Source: Photoshot

With the third consecutive successful launch of the Agni V strategic missile, India is on the cusp of attaining strategic deterrence. This is the big boys club where you have enough missiles for a devastating second strike after suffering a full-on nuclear attack.

The aspect of the missile that will keep the Chinese – among others – awake at night is that it was cold launched from a hermetically sealed canister mounted on a tractor-erector-launcher (TEL). “Launch from a canister integrated with a TEL enables launch in minutes as compared with a silo – or open – launch. It also has advantages of higher reliability, longer shelf life, less maintenance and enhanced mobility,” says the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO).

A mobile system will allow India to keep the Agni Vs constantly moving along its road network. They can also be hidden off the road, in secret bunkers or forests, thereby keeping the enemy guessing all the time. Throw in several dozen dummy canisters and trucks, and you add more uncertainty about the exact whereabouts of the real Agni V missiles.



Hidden monsters

Russia was the first country to develop road and rail mobile ICBMs. Whereas America has its nuclear triad (silo-based, submarine-based and air-launched nuclear weapons), Russia has a four-pronged approach with its land mobile ICBMs.

“By dispersing a portion of its land-based nuclear arsenal throughout its great wilderness, Russia makes it very hard for the US to hit all of its nuclear emplacements during a 'first strike' scenario,” says the military website Foxtrot Alpha. “This greatly enhances Russia's land-based nuclear arsenal's deterrence factor. Just the threat of a second-strike ability, not just from Russia's SSBN submarine force that America works very hard to track, but from road-mobile ICBMs, and very capable ones at that, makes Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) a continuing reality.”

By 1991 Russia had 56 rail-based RS-22 missiles, or SS-24 Scalpel, as they were known in the West. The Scalpel had a range of around 11,000 km with 10 warheads, each being able to hit a different target. And at 100 tonnes it was a true monster that was bigger and more accurate than the biggest US ICBM, the Peacemaker.

Being able to move around the Soviet rail network of 145,000 km, the Scalpels were difficult to detect and track. This made them largely immune to an American first strike.

Russia then went on to develop a road mobile leviathan. “The giant Topol-M road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile is one frightening creation of mankind,” says Foxtrot Alpha. “It can hide in cities, forests, or even nuclear-attack hardened bunkers. It'll travel at over 15,000 MPH while taking evasive action and pumping out decoys on the way to its target. Not only is the road-mobile Topol-M hard to hit once it is in the air, or at the edge of space for that matter; it is also very hard to find on the ground as they can hide pretty much anywhere.”

Risks of mobility

But what works for Russia – or for that matter China, which also has a road mobile ICBM – may not necessarily work for India. During the Soviet years, Russia was not an easy place to travel, with its own citizens requiring passes to travel internally. There were regions and cities that were off limits to most civilians, forget foreigners. Under such circumstances, one could operate these rail and road mobile ICBMs, without the threat of terrorists or spies trying to sabotage or infiltrate these missile groups.

Russia is a lot freer place today but even now foreigners require passes to visit certain areas. Besides, the vast landmass ensures that mobile ICBMs will always be hard to find or track.

India’s highways and interior roads – where the mobile ICBMs are likely to operate – just not as secure. The biggest threat is from terrorists who may hijack an ICBM and blackmail the country’s leadership. Or worse, figure out a way to actually launch the missile. The usual picture of a terrorist is that of a wild-eyed jehadi from Karachi or Kerala, but increasingly they are coming from engineering and electronic backgrounds. The next generation of jehadis may even get training to crack the launch codes of a captured strategic missile from radicalised sympathisers among the Pakistan Army’s field commanders who already operate such missiles.

Providing extra security for land mobile ICBMs will only compromise secrecy and thereby defeat the purpose of having them on mobile platforms. Considering that India is a soft state where radicalised groups brag about their aim to destabilise India and also openly associate with jehadis, it might be worthwhile to rethink the decision and look at launching more ICBMs from sea-based platforms.

Cost of upward mobility

An article published by Lt Col Ilshat Baychurin in Rossiyskaya Gazetaon November 18, 1995 illustrates the complexity and costs that come with operating mobile strategic missiles: “Each railroad combat missile system is designed for lengthy autonomous performance of alert duty on patrol routes. In addition to the cars where the missiles themselves are hidden, the railroad train has cars which accommodate a dining room and a mobile kitchen. One of the cars is earmarked for rest time for personnel not on alert duty. It consists of the compartments to which we are accustomed, the only difference being that they contain additional built-in third berths and a foyer with a television set and tables for board games. In addition, there are air conditioners and a shower. Provision is also made for a technical maintenance car.

“As regards the personnel of the railroad missile complex, each serviceman has a strictly defined range of official duties. Great responsibility is entrusted to the combat launch crew, but those who ensure the working of the harmonious mechanism of this unique train of its kind also have a hard time. The people who are responsible for the train's movement, communications, guarding, and for material and medical provision for the missile-carrying train perform particularly strenuous service. Considering that the trains are designed for lengthy autonomous movement, success depends on the quality of everyone's work.”

You get the picture: road mobile systems don’t come cheap or easy.


Range theory

While the government press releases continue to describethe Agni V as a 5500 km range IRBM or intermediate range ballistic missile, Chander described the missile as an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

Chander was asked to resign hours before the launch, so the missile man really had nothing to lose – and everything to gain – by revealing the missile’s true scope. In fact, the Chinese – who were observing the test – believe India deliberately flew the missile in a flat trajectory to curtail its range to 5500 km whereas the Agni V is, in their opinion, capable of 7000-8000 km.

With incremental increases, the Agni’s arc will sooner than later cover the US mainland. You see, it all comes down to this: when you are powerful everybody thinks you are great and your jokes are funny too.
 

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How about:
1) first get every newer Agni version into the SSBNs; and
2) then just make a large number of movable pontoons for ICBM sized stuff, but with reduced ranges and increased throw weights.
 

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Now, work underway for hypersonic cruise missile

Jatinder Kaur Tur | TNN | Nov 8, 2015, 04.53

JODHPUR: The success of BrahMos-I, world's first and only operational supersonic cruise missile developed in an Indo-Russian joint venture, has paved the way for developing a hypersonic cruise missile, BrahMos-II. Work is already underway for developing another version for cruising at Mach 5 speed (five times the speed of sound), as compared to the current Mach 2.8.

Chief of BrahMos Aerospace, Dr Sudhir Mishra, in a telephonic conversation with the TOI said, "it shall take 3-4 years for developing the BrahMos version that can cruise at Mach 5 speed, almost double the current version".

Mishra said that while the current engine was being upgraded for the hypersonic versions of future, it shall take up to 7-10 years for developing a new hypersonic engine. When quizzed about the possibility of exporting the BrahMos to other countries, he said that whenever a government nod or decision comes along, they are ready to fulfil all commitments.

"For exporting defence equipment, the decision has to be taken by the government as is the norm all over the world. However, BrahMos is being admired by many countries," he said. On being asked about possibility of another similar endeavour between India and Russia, he said that there was no such plan on the cards right now.

If the official sources are to be believed, more than a dozen countries have expressed interest in buying variants of this 'uninterceptable' supersonic cruise missile.

While for the export, a fine-tuning from both the governments would be required, the Russian counterparts of BrahMos have been vocal about the interest shown by various countries in BrahMos supersonic cruise missile which has demonstrated its supreme operational capability during test fires of the Army

Hypersonic version of BrahMos to cruise at Mach 5, twice the speed of current version

BrahMos right now are the supersonic cruise missiles with a range of 290-km and a cruising speed of Mach 2.8

BrahMos has been developed with a major contribution from private sector industries


Brahmos is capable of being launched from land, sea, sub-sea and air against sea and land targets




BrahMos is a joint venture between DRDO of India and NPOM of Russia.




BrahMos was setup with a 50.5% funding from India and 49.5% Russia and has already made profits, much more than the set up cost
 

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Brohmos-II aka Zircon hypersonic cruise missile tested in Russia on this Thursday at speed Mach 6.
 

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Brohmos-II aka Zircon hypersonic cruise missile tested in Russia on this Thursday at speed Mach 6.
 

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Could the US's new hypersonic missile spark World War 3?

An artist’s rendering illustrates what a hypersonic missile could look like as it travels along the edge of Earth's atmosphere.Raytheon
The US has reportedly created a new missile as part of the Pentagon's development of hypersonic technology. But the US military has insisted that the weapons will carry conventional missiles rather than nuclear ones, as the arms race with China and Russia grows more intense.

The new missiles – according to information released on 13 April – will reportedly fly at five times the speed of sound (3,800mph) and make them virtually impossible to detect using radar. Researchers are still working on manoeuvre techniques and developing ways of being able to fully control the weapons.

The Pentagon's Defense Advanced Projects Research Agency (Darpa) has spent over $34m (£48m) on hypersonic aircraft and weapon projects. Hypersonic aircraft would be able to fly at between five to 10 times the speed of sound.

New nuclear fears
In an article titled The Problem With The Pentagon's Hypersonic Missile, published by Defense One, three hypersonic projects – including the Lockheed Martin Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 program, the Raytheon Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept (HAWC), and the Raytheon/Lockheed Tactical Boost Glide – are being examined over whether they would remain conventional weapons, or whether they would spurn the other military superpowers, China and Russia, into developing more nuclear weapons.

The concerns are that hypersonic missiles will allow the US to launch nuclear weapons that could strike targets at longer ranges, in less time than conventional ballistic missiles require, and move so fast current missile defence systems and fighter jets could not intercept them.

Reports suggest that the new generation of missiles can switch between two modes: scramjet –which uses air flowing at supersonic speeds through its engine to further accelerate the missile – and a "boost glide" system – this would extend the range of missiles by making them 'skip' across the Earth's upper atmosphere.


The Pentagon says that the new Hypersonic missile technology would be used in conventional weapons only, but the technology's capabilities are making other nations 'nervous'. (Reuters)
"Hypersonic weapons can be more survivable because of the extreme speed and high altitude. They would be hard to stop,' said JR Smith, director of Raytheon's Advanced Land Warfare Systems.

"At this point, our hypersonics program is really a technology development program, purely focused on 'conventional' payloads, said Stephen Welby, assistant defense secretary for research and engineering at The Pentagon. "There's nothing in the budget related to modelling, researching, or exploring nuclear-armed hypersonics.

"It's 2020 for the missile, 2030…. until you get into something that's refurbishable and probably 2040 until you get into something that's a totally reusable type of capability."

Last year, four flight tests of the X-51 WaveRider – the US's prototype hypersonic aircraft – had taken place in June. During the last test the aircraft flew more than 230 nautical miles at Mach 5. It was launched from under the wing of a B-52 bomber and travelled at a height of 70,000 ft.


Source Link: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/could-uss-new-hypersonic-missile-spark-world-war-3-1555182
 

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Russian Zircon missile to go into serial production in 2018
19 April 2016 TASS
The system is expected to be unveiled in the air-launched and ship-based variants. Its characteristics are classified.


The Project 11442 Pyotr Veliky (Perter the Great) nuclear-powered missile cruiser will carry the type following its upgrade. Source:mil.ru

Russia’s cutting-edge hypersonic missile Tsirkon (Zircon), which is now undergoing state tests is expected to go into serial production in 2018, a source in the Russian military-industrial complex told TASS on Tuesday.

"State tests of Zircon are scheduled for completion in 2017 in accordance with the contract, and the missile’s serial production is planned to be launched next year", the source said.

In mid-February, a source in the Russian shipbuilding industry told TASS that Russian cutting-edge hypersonic missile 3M22 of the 3K22 Zircon system was in the development trials. The Project 11442 (NATO reporting name: Kirov-class) Pyotr Veliky (Perter the Great) nuclear-powered missile cruiser will carry the type following its upgrade, a shipbuilding industry source told TASS. According to the source, the Pyotr Veliky cruiser will start its repairs in the third or fourth quarter of 2019. Its repairs and upgrade are planned to be complete in late 2022, with the ship to be equipped with Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missiles.

The tests of the 3K22 Zircon system are planned for completion by 2020. The system is expected to be unveiled in the air-launched and ship-based variants. Its characteristics are classified. According to open sources, the new missile’s range may reach 400 kilometers and it will travel five to six times faster than the speed of sound.

Hypersonic weapons are missiles and aircraft capable of reaching speeds of Mach 5 and more - or five times the speed of sound. They are extremely difficult to intercept due to their overwhelming speed and maneuvering capabilities. Hypersonic technologies in general, used in weapons systems and prospective aircraft, were seen by experts as a game changer in future warfare.
 

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Will be a real Glide Vehicle like USA, Russia and China or mere ground test?
This will probably be a test for the autonomous breathing for full 20 secs all ground tests have been completed

HSTDV

Hypersonic Technology Demonstrator Vehicle programme is to demonstrate a scramjet engine integrated vehicle performance in autonomous mode. In addition to provingthe design and performance of the scramjet engine the HSTDVwill also be able to prove the associated technologies including aerodynamic design, aero-thermal design, materials and hot structures at hypersonic flight Mach numbers. The HSTDV mission involves launching the hypersonic air-breathing vehicle called Cruise Vehicle (CV) to a Mach number of 6.5 at an altitude of 30-35 km using a rocket launch vehicle.

A single scramjet engine burning kerosene fuel powers the cruise vehicle for a sustained operation of 20 second duration.
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