HAL Prachand - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH)

[aspdeepak]

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Looks like an AI generated image

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Forces are right...WHY WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PUT HELINA MISSILES ON PRACHAND..i strongly believe there is some major flaw in Prachand Helicopter..

Forces demand more Firepower on LCH Prachand – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[tomthounaojam]

Forces are right...WHY WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PUT HELINA MISSILES ON PRACHAND..i strongly believe there is some major flaw in Prachand Helicopter..

Forces demand more Firepower on LCH Prachand – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

If they can fire it from Rudra I don't think it is a problem for Prachand

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Forces are right...WHY WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PUT HELINA MISSILES ON PRACHAND..i strongly believe there is some major flaw in Prachand Helicopter..

Forces demand more Firepower on LCH Prachand – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

LCH Prachand has the exact same mission computers as that of the ALH-WSI.
There are more than 100 ALH-WSI in service and dozens more on order.
Helina has already been integrated and test fired from ALH-WSI.
Unless the Forces place their propsed bulk order of 156 LCH, you won't see Helina being fired from LCH.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

LCH Prachand has the exact same mission computers as that of the ALH-WSI.
There are more than 100 ALH-WSI in service and dozens more on order.
Helina has already been integrated and test fired from ALH-WSI.
Unless the Forces place their propsed bulk order of 156 LCH, you won't see Helina being fired from LCH.

Lets take it on other way ..Here Forces are asking for more fire power..if the order for 156 LCH then why cant we build a demo and show it to forces..obviously Proof of pudding is in tasting it.

 

[patriots]

The report on lch is from idrw
So don't take it seriously

Then still helina is not deployed with alh rudra

Hal lch lsp is in production


Integration of helina with hal lch ।।।।
Won't be a problem as it is already integrated with lch rudra

 

[Chinmoy]

Forces are right...WHY WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PUT HELINA MISSILES ON PRACHAND..i strongly believe there is some major flaw in Prachand Helicopter..

Forces demand more Firepower on LCH Prachand – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

There is no Flaw in LCH, the flaw was in the 2006-7 decision.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Forces are right...WHY WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PUT HELINA MISSILES ON PRACHAND..i strongly believe there is some major flaw in Prachand Helicopter..

Forces demand more Firepower on LCH Prachand – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Lets take it on other way ..Here Forces are asking for more fire power..if the order for 156 LCH then why cant we build a demo and show it to forces..obviously Proof of pudding is in tasting it.

First of all the quad rack of lch is not yet developed. How will it carry missiles ?
Hellina has been test fired By rudra so there is no need of integration it is already integrated. As both using sem2sem mission computer, avionics,visionics..

this are the additional requirements of army
anti tank guided missile
Tube launched loitering Munition
intergrating a locally developed 20mm cannon.
And a2a variants of drdo's vshorad..

l already Felt army is doing some drama as recently some news came out drdo is gonna develop a 20mm gun and Turret.. this gun will take years now to develop I think import lobby is just hurting indias capabilities of we don't buy it now how are we gonna export it ? ?
dalals are working hard...

another thing is if army doesn't order until this requirement are not fullfilled then it simply means dalas have taken over.. because for this simple requirements they have stucked the whole deal..

anti tank missile is done - can we mass produce have we build manufacturing plants is big question.. army has nothing to do with it will get it soon. Before they will receive whole fleet of lch.Hellina deliveries will began.

we already have many tube launched loitering Munition so no problems

same is the case with vshorad as hellina almost developed under testing hasn't got under mass production. But how does this hinder capabilities of lch if they order it early ??
they will get it soon when it will be ready. They are sticking whole damn deal bc.

talking about 20mm did they realised now m@ kod rhe the kya bc itne saalo se ab inko indigeneous 20mm chahiye. This will again waste so much time for its development and then testing and then industry partner to manufacture... And what's wrong in having a imported 20mm. Do they gonna face some problems atleast they should have kept condition to add indigeneous 20mm in later models..and starts the production

1 year has passed to inauguration of that asias biggest manufacturing plant in Karnataka. It is stand still.. if anybody knows that isnt ready to be operational do Inform

Hal has made and delivered initial lch units even before ordering but at the same time we were ready to pay in advance for import of armies 11 apaches..

I have no hopes left amca will have the same fate
Tejas Mk2 is having same fate..

 

[Anupu]

First of all the quad rack of lch is not yet developed. How will it carry missiles ?
Hellina has been test fired By rudra so there is no need of integration it is already integrated. As both using sem2sem mission computer, avionics,visionics..

this are the additional requirements of army
anti tank guided missile
Tube launched loitering Munition
intergrating a locally developed 20mm cannon.
And a2a variants of drdo's vshorad..

l already Felt army is doing some drama as recently some news came out drdo is gonna develop a 20mm gun and Turret.. this gun will take years now to develop I think import lobby is just hurting indias capabilities of we don't buy it now how are we gonna export it ? ?
dalals are working hard...

another thing is if army doesn't order until this requirement are not fullfilled then it simply means dalas have taken over.. because for this simple requirements they have stucked the whole deal..

anti tank missile is done - can we mass produce have we build manufacturing plants is big question.. army has nothing to do with it will get it soon. Before they will receive whole fleet of lch.Hellina deliveries will began.

we already have many tube launched loitering Munition so no problems

same is the case with vshorad as hellina almost developed under testing hasn't got under mass production. But how does this hinder capabilities of lch if they order it early ??
they will get it soon when it will be ready. They are sticking whole damn deal bc.

talking about 20mm did they realised now m@ kod rhe the kya bc itne saalo se ab inko indigeneous 20mm chahiye. This will again waste so much time for its development and then testing and then industry partner to manufacture... And what's wrong in having a imported 20mm. Do they gonna face some problems atleast they should have kept condition to add indigeneous 20mm in later models..

1 year has passed to inauguration of that asias biggest manufacturing plant in Karnataka. It is stand still..

Hal has made and delivered initial lch units even before ordering but at the same time we were ready to pay in advance for import of armies 11 apaches..

I have no hopes left amca will have the same fate
Tejas Mk2 is having same fate..

Bro the source is IDRW.

 

[Chinmoy]

First of all the quad rack of lch is not yet developed. How will it carry missiles ?
Hellina has been test fired By rudra so there is no need of integration it is already integrated. As both using sem2sem mission computer, avionics,visionics..

this are the additional requirements of army
anti tank guided missile
Tube launched loitering Munition
intergrating a locally developed 20mm cannon.
And a2a variants of drdo's vshorad..

l already Felt army is doing some drama as recently some news came out drdo is gonna develop a 20mm gun and Turret.. this gun will take years now to develop I think import lobby is just hurting indias capabilities of we don't buy it now how are we gonna export it ? ?
dalals are working hard...

another thing is if army doesn't order until this requirement are not fullfilled then it simply means dalas have taken over.. because for this simple requirements they have stucked the whole deal..

anti tank missile is done - can we mass produce have we build manufacturing plants is big question.. army has nothing to do with it will get it soon. Before they will receive whole fleet of lch.Hellina deliveries will began.

we already have many tube launched loitering Munition so no problems

same is the case with vshorad as hellina almost developed under testing hasn't got under mass production. But how does this hinder capabilities of lch if they order it early ??
they will get it soon when it will be ready. They are sticking whole damn deal bc.

talking about 20mm did they realised now m@ kod rhe the kya bc itne saalo se ab inko indigeneous 20mm chahiye. This will again waste so much time for its development and then testing and then industry partner to manufacture... And what's wrong in having a imported 20mm. Do they gonna face some problems atleast they should have kept condition to add indigeneous 20mm in later models..and starts the production

1 year has passed to inauguration of that asias biggest manufacturing plant in Karnataka. It is stand still..

Hal has made and delivered initial lch units even before ordering but at the same time we were ready to pay in advance for import of armies 11 apaches..

I have no hopes left amca will have the same fate
Tejas Mk2 is having same fate..

Before going hyper, please read the news again. Although its from IDRW, but do read it again.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Before going hyper, please read the news again. Although its from IDRW, but do read it again.

Why aren't they ordering lch prachand now ? By the time they will starts receiving they will get hellina..
What is stopping them from ordering it ?

 

[Chinmoy]

Why aren't they ordering lch prachand now ? By the time they will starts receiving they will get hellina..
What is stopping them from ordering it ?

Answer lies in the report itself. That's why asked you to read it again.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Answer lies in the report itself. That's why asked you to read it again.

I know but what will happen if they order it now ?
They have said after integration they will order..
I don't think there is anything sceptical that they will order it and after receiving hellina will not work on LCH prachand..
Okay flight characteristic with quad rack pylon must be hunting them like (what if ) Something went wrong.. just my opinion


Anyways hope it gets done soon. Do we have any kind of pylons developed for it ?? As of now there is no update.. and also what about the 19 rockets rocket launcher pod hal has said about it in past. It has got a FZ275 LGR 12 rockets pod as of now, weights 183kg. Quoting official data.
It has not lifted more than 183 kg weight on each pylon..
Has it been tested for higher weights capacity ?
Hal has said it will carry 250kg bombs as well have they tested it there is no such image as of now.
Quad rack with 4x hellina will weight 250kg. They haven't made it yet..

There is no Flaw in LCH, the flaw was in the 2006-7 decision

Can you elaborate please?

 

[Chinmoy]

I know but what will happen if they order it now ?
They have said after integration they will order..
I don't think there is anything sceptical that they will order it and after receiving hellina will not work on LCH prachand..
Okay flight characteristic with quad rack pylon must be hunting them like (what if ) Something went wrong.. just my opinion


Anyways hope it gets done soon. Do we have any kind of pylons developed for it ?? As of now there is no update.. and also what about the 19 rockets rocket launcher pod hal has said about it in past. It has got a FZ275 LGR 12 rockets pod as of now, weights 183kg. Quoting official data.
It has not lifted more than 183 kg weight on each pylon..
Has it been tested for higher weights capacity ?
Hal has said it will carry 250kg bombs as well have they tested it there is no such image as of now.
Quad rack with 4x hellina will weight 250kg. They haven't made it yet..



Can you elaborate please?

First let's start from last.

What happened in 2006-7?

LCH was brain child of IA or should we say been conceptualized by IA as during the Kargil war, IAF was unable to provide fire support to IA at the Himalayan heights with Mi24's. So basically it was IA who asked for LCH and HAL set up on its development. As a stop gap measure for immediate use, HAL provided IA with ALH-WSI, which got inducted in 97 numbers into IA itself. So till now IA was going the Huey way and everything was right.

But even before the prototype of LCH came out, IAF played spoilsport into it where they basically highjacked the project from IA. If you would look into the news of that time, you could read about the turf war IA and IAF fought. At the end, our beloved Antony, who was RM at the time, allocated it to IAF instead of IA. So basically IA got kicked out of LCH project and from primary user, became secondary user.

So what we are seeing in LCH as of today is what IAF has opted instead of IA. Even in case of LSP, IAF got 10 out of 15 LSPs. So this demand of ATGM was not new. But instead of ATGM integration, A2A integration got priority. If it had been IAs project from day of conceptualization, LCH as of today would have been flying with SPIKE or any other ATGM along with rocket pods. Things just didn't stopped here. Same drama happened with Apache order. It was IA who after LCH saga pushed for Apache in their AAC. But again after a turf war, it was handed over to IAF by beloved Antony. Till date IA has not received their cut down share of Apaches.

Now coming to what would happen if they order it now?

They would have to replace them with existing systems, which are ALH-WSI basically. But as of now, ALH-WSI is capable of firing HELINA.

Whether LCH has flown with 4 FZ231?

 

[Satish Sharma]

Now coming to what would happen if they order it now?

They would have to replace them with existing systems, which are ALH-WSI basically. But as of now, ALH-WSI is capable of firing HELINA.

I think rudra isn't completing all requirements. It's service ceiling is abit more it's weight is more by 300kg compared lch.. it carries max 8 atgms.
It has less payload at higher altitudes
It is not that agile atleast not as much as a dedicated attack helicopter is. Big size

Whether LCH has flown with 4 FZ231?

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Those rockets pods it is carrying are the Thales belgium's fz275 I'm sorry for calling it fz231 they are just same systems made by same firm. We are calling fz276 to the whole systems. But actually the rocket pod launcher is called as fz231 and the laser guided rocket it uses is fz275. It also uses the unguided rockets .
Hal has published it way back. They also published in some armament loadouts. Anyways they even published it will carry 16 hellinas.

 

[Satish Sharma]

 

[Chinmoy]

I think rudra isn't completing all requirements. It's service ceiling is abit more it's weight is more by 300kg compared lch.. it carries max 8 atgms.
It has less payload at higher altitudes
It is not that agile atleast not as much as a dedicated attack helicopter is. Big size

Now if you again read the news.

For this exact same reason, LSPs are required. Based on their performance, user would know how much unit they have to purchase.

 

[JBH22]

First let's start from last.

What happened in 2006-7?

LCH was brain child of IA or should we say been conceptualized by IA as during the Kargil war, IAF was unable to provide fire support to IA at the Himalayan heights with Mi24's. So basically it was IA who asked for LCH and HAL set up on its development. As a stop gap measure for immediate use, HAL provided IA with ALH-WSI, which got inducted in 97 numbers into IA itself. So till now IA was going the Huey way and everything was right.

But even before the prototype of LCH came out, IAF played spoilsport into it where they basically highjacked the project from IA. If you would look into the news of that time, you could read about the turf war IA and IAF fought. At the end, our beloved Antony, who was RM at the time, allocated it to IAF instead of IA. So basically IA got kicked out of LCH project and from primary user, became secondary user.

So what we are seeing in LCH as of today is what IAF has opted instead of IA. Even in case of LSP, IAF got 10 out of 15 LSPs. So this demand of ATGM was not new. But instead of ATGM integration, A2A integration got priority. If it had been IAs project from day of conceptualization, LCH as of today would have been flying with SPIKE or any other ATGM along with rocket pods. Things just didn't stopped here. Same drama happened with Apache order. It was IA who after LCH saga pushed for Apache in their AAC. But again after a turf war, it was handed over to IAF by beloved Antony. Till date IA has not received their cut down share of Apaches.

Now coming to what would happen if they order it now?

They would have to replace them with existing systems, which are ALH-WSI basically. But as of now, ALH-WSI is capable of firing HELINA.

Whether LCH has flown with 4 FZ231?

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Indian airforce should leave CAS function to army aviation wing.
IAF should move to take over missile and space force role.

 

[Chinmoy]

Indian airforce should leave CAS function to army aviation wing.
IAF should move to take over missile and space force role.

If I am not mixing up names, after the turf war on Apaches, when journalist asked about why IAF and IA were on loggerheads regarding attack copters. ACM Browne famously quoted that, we don't want mini airforces cropping up in the country.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

First let's start from last.

What happened in 2006-7?

LCH was brain child of IA or should we say been conceptualized by IA as during the Kargil war, IAF was unable to provide fire support to IA at the Himalayan heights with Mi24's. So basically it was IA who asked for LCH and HAL set up on its development. As a stop gap measure for immediate use, HAL provided IA with ALH-WSI, which got inducted in 97 numbers into IA itself. So till now IA was going the Huey way and everything was right.

But even before the prototype of LCH came out, IAF played spoilsport into it where they basically highjacked the project from IA. If you would look into the news of that time, you could read about the turf war IA and IAF fought. At the end, our beloved Antony, who was RM at the time, allocated it to IAF instead of IA. So basically IA got kicked out of LCH project and from primary user, became secondary user.

So what we are seeing in LCH as of today is what IAF has opted instead of IA. Even in case of LSP, IAF got 10 out of 15 LSPs. So this demand of ATGM was not new. But instead of ATGM integration, A2A integration got priority. If it had been IAs project from day of conceptualization, LCH as of today would have been flying with SPIKE or any other ATGM along with rocket pods. Things just didn't stopped here. Same drama happened with Apache order. It was IA who after LCH saga pushed for Apache in their AAC. But again after a turf war, it was handed over to IAF by beloved Antony. Till date IA has not received their cut down share of Apaches.

Now coming to what would happen if they order it now?

They would have to replace them with existing systems, which are ALH-WSI basically. But as of now, ALH-WSI is capable of firing HELINA.

Whether LCH has flown with 4 FZ231?

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Just one question arises from this, if IA had inducted ALH-WSI so far back then what took it so long to get an ATGM integrated onto it?