HAL Prachand - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH)

[Rohan Naik]

Who said LCH is toothless

Milk tooth

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Climb rate of LCH is so high that a ceiling on the same is put to control it to prevent Air frame to be damaged.

That makes it ideal for high altitudes. With such a good club rate.

As long as a decent ATGM is integrated, that should be all that’s required for the IA. I keep hearing SPIKE ER. Which’s not too bad.

I do not know anything about the NAG or SAINT. People keep giving mixed reports of its timeline.

Now, I know this is asking for much from a light helicopter. BUT. It would be awesome if they are able to come up with a DIRCM type countermeasure system at a later on date. MANPADS threat is the most that this thing is going to face.

 

[Flying Dagger]

That makes it ideal for high altitudes. With such a good club rate.

As long as a decent ATGM is integrated, that should be all that’s required for the IA. I keep hearing SPIKE ER. Which’s not too bad.

I do not know anything about the NAG or SAINT. People keep giving mixed reports of its timeline.

Now, I know this is asking for much from a light helicopter. BUT. It would be awesome if they are able to come up with a DIRCM type countermeasure system at a later on date. MANPADS threat is the most that this thing is going to face.

DIRCM will be included Israel have offered and we have our own program going on. Radar will be integrated too. Overall this may turnout a mini Apache for us with better agility and better designed for our mountain terrain.

Now it is army which needs to push for it and ATGM asap else they'll found themselves helpless later with high casualities.

At most well buy 60-70 Apache over next 5-7 years but with LCH they can easily field more than that if they start production now since HAL can easily produce 15-20 of these every year .

 

[Akula]

Milk tooth

With addition of ATGM, LCH will show it's "32si".

 

[Bleh]

Ok. Apparently I was wrong abut the accuracy of unguided rockets.

The due to the nose mounted imagers on Rudra & LCH don't need to fire it at closeup forward dash like vintage Mi-35 or Mi-17... Hydra rockets can be used at ranges of upto 6km & 8km against mortar/MMG positions or infantry formations.
Below 3km reportedly it's as accurate as LGBs.

Timestamp 1: forward dash firing at ±2km range.Timestamp 2: halting to fire long-ranged volley.

 

[patriots]

Thales Belgium (BL VTS) – Rockets 70mm (2.75”) : Laser guided rocket FZ275 LGR

Thales Belgium (BL VTS) - FZ275LGR SAL-Laser Guided Rocket closing the gap between the long-range high-value missiles and the shorter range gun and unguided rockets

fz.be

Performance

• Range : 1500m up to 6000m
• CEP<1m (at 6km range)

Features

• Calibre : 2.75” (70mm)
• Nominal length : ~1800mm
• All up round weight : 12.5 kg (before burn)/9.1 kg (after burn)
• Guidance : SAL (Semi-Active Laser)
• Steering type : 4 folding canards
• Laser : compatible with STANAG 3733 or used defined code

Compatibility
FZ275 LGR can be fired from standard FZ rocket launcher.


Laser Guided Rocket
FZ275 LGR : Semi-Active Laser (SAL) Guided Rocket
The FZ275 LGR guided rocket closes the gap between the long-range high-value missiles and the shorter range guns/cannon and unguided rockets, thus affording a full range of precision effects from a platform to defeat soft and light armoured targets.
This rocket complies with the armies’ requirement for precise and reliable ammunitions capable of reducing exposure to danger and avoiding collateral damage which nowadays causes injuries to civilians.

• FEATURES
• PERFORMANCE
• TARGETS
• OPERATIONAL NEEDS
• BENEFITS
• SAL TECHNOLOGY
• COMPATIBILITY
• CONFIGURATIONS
• WARHEAD

Benefits
The FZ Guided Rocket FZ275LGR is an easy-to-use, cost-effective, flexible system expanding platforms range of precision effects.
The FZ Guided Rocket provides superior accuracy and lethality, coupled with safety and durability offering state-of-the-art capability with an extremely low Cost/Kill from existing launchers.
The FZ275 LGR provides the end user with substantially decreased cost per kill :

• significantly less rockets/target
• minimizes platform time-on-target and rounds/target
• frees up assets faster for other missions

The FZ275 LGR can be also integrated to various platforms (aircraft, helicopter, UAV, Land Vehicle, Light Assault Aircraft, Naval platform).
The FZ275 LGR can be easily integrated into the logistics and support system

• Simple field installation
• Minimal training required

Operational needs

• compatible with existing conventional 2.75“ rocket system
• limited integration work
• high first hit probability
• improved stand-off range
• pinpoint accuracy
• flexibility
• reduced collateral damage
• low cost guided ammunition
• lower platform vulnerability

Hope mod would have ordered some guided rockets too ..

 

[Bleh]

Thales Belgium (BL VTS) – Rockets 70mm (2.75”) : Laser guided rocket FZ275 LGR

Thales Belgium (BL VTS) - FZ275LGR SAL-Laser Guided Rocket closing the gap between the long-range high-value missiles and the shorter range gun and unguided rockets

fz.be

Performance

• Range : 1500m up to 6000m
• CEP<1m (at 6km range)

Features

• Calibre : 2.75” (70mm)
• Nominal length : ~1800mm
• All up round weight : 12.5 kg (before burn)/9.1 kg (after burn)
• Guidance : SAL (Semi-Active Laser)
• Steering type : 4 folding canards
• Laser : compatible with STANAG 3733 or used defined code

Compatibility
FZ275 LGR can be fired from standard FZ rocket launcher.


Laser Guided Rocket
FZ275 LGR : Semi-Active Laser (SAL) Guided Rocket
The FZ275 LGR guided rocket closes the gap between the long-range high-value missiles and the shorter range guns/cannon and unguided rockets, thus affording a full range of precision effects from a platform to defeat soft and light armoured targets.
This rocket complies with the armies’ requirement for precise and reliable ammunitions capable of reducing exposure to danger and avoiding collateral damage which nowadays causes injuries to civilians.

• FEATURES
• PERFORMANCE
• TARGETS
• OPERATIONAL NEEDS
• BENEFITS
• SAL TECHNOLOGY
• COMPATIBILITY
• CONFIGURATIONS
• WARHEAD

Benefits
The FZ Guided Rocket FZ275LGR is an easy-to-use, cost-effective, flexible system expanding platforms range of precision effects.
The FZ Guided Rocket provides superior accuracy and lethality, coupled with safety and durability offering state-of-the-art capability with an extremely low Cost/Kill from existing launchers.
The FZ275 LGR provides the end user with substantially decreased cost per kill :

• significantly less rockets/target
• minimizes platform time-on-target and rounds/target
• frees up assets faster for other missions

The FZ275 LGR can be also integrated to various platforms (aircraft, helicopter, UAV, Land Vehicle, Light Assault Aircraft, Naval platform).
The FZ275 LGR can be easily integrated into the logistics and support system

• Simple field installation
• Minimal training required

Operational needs

• compatible with existing conventional 2.75“ rocket system
• limited integration work
• high first hit probability
• improved stand-off range
• pinpoint accuracy
• flexibility
• reduced collateral damage
• low cost guided ammunition
• lower platform vulnerability

Hope mod would have ordered some guided rockets too ..

But those not in popular use at all! Maybe CEP<1m isn't required for a 70mm mini-warhead, when you have cannon to accurately such engage light armoured or small targets at upto 5km range... Much cheaper.

 

[patriots]

But those not in popular use at all... Maybe CEP<1m isn't required for a 70mm mini-warhead, when you have cannon to accurately such engage light armoured small targets at upto 5km range.

Bro cannon s are not accurate upto 5 km.....may be accurate upto 2km

 

[Bleh]

Bro cannon s are not accurate upto 5 km.....may be accurate upto 2km

But cannon rounds are way too cheaper... Also see 4km ranged firing trial. Maybe not pinpoint, but still pretty fucking accurate.
If the driver is unaware he's being targeted & not actively maneuvering, any covoy or static vehicle will be successfully destroyed.

Only thing that are safe are Type-96/99 MBTs.

 

[patriots]

But cannon rounds are way too cheaper.

Ya....
Canon s and rockets can pierce through....light armoured chini light tanks

 

[vishnugupt]

Ok. Apparently I was wrong abut the accuracy of unguided rockets.

The due to the nose mounted imagers on Rudra & LCH don't need to fire it at closeup forward dash like vintage Mi-35 or Mi-17... Hydra rockets can be used at ranges of upto 6km & 8km against mortar/MMG positions or infantry formations.
Below 3km reportedly it's as accurate as LGBs.

Timestamp 1: forward dash firing at ±2km range.Timestamp 2: halting to fire long-ranged volley.

The first firing of rockets by LCH was on convoy like structure, there are two targets on the same line of sight that is why rockets going up and down. Second firing ( day time ) is a long shot.
Apart from this, If one can see the stability of sensors during target acquisition LCH is remarkably stable compare to Rudra ( at least in this video ). Rudra is shaking while LCH is totally static

 

[Bleh]

The first firing of rockets by LCH was on convoy like structure, there are two targets on the same line of sight that is why rockets going up and down.

Exactly why you dont need laser-guided 70mm.
That was emulating an area target, like enemy logistic convoy or mortar-position The pilot is moving the nose up & down to cover all of the target in the volley.

This is the exact reason fighter jets rarely fire ATGMs but drop anti-armor clusterbombs on tank formations. Pin point accuracy hitting is not always necessary.

 

[vishnugupt]

Exactly why you dont need laser-guided 70mm.

Thst target is emulating an area target like enemy mortar-position. The pilot is moving the nose up & down to cover all of the target in the volley.

Actually, it's Pylon which moves not the whole helicopter.

 

[Bleh]

Actually, it's Pylon which moves not the whole helicopter.

But you got the point, right?

Footage is of the nose-mounted imager view. Targeting system is synced with the launches.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Happy Independence Day to all.

I really wish this year we pledge to be free from dependence on foreign maal as much as we can.

 

[Flying Dagger]

The first firing of rockets by LCH was on convoy like structure, there are two targets on the same line of sight that is why rockets going up and down. Second firing ( day time ) is a long shot.
Apart from this, If one can see the stability of sensors during target acquisition LCH is remarkably stable compare to Rudra ( at least in this video ). Rudra is shaking while LCH is totally static

Rudra (Dhruva ALH mkIV) is basically a transport heli which is armed. The purpose is to provide fire power to protect soldiers while transport. To provide a stop gap for army till attack helis become operational and an option to use in war.

For attack it is our Desi Mountain Hawk - HAL LCH , MOD need to open their purse for and fund development of IMRH.

 

[vishnugupt]

Exactly why you dont need laser-guided 70mm.
That was emulating an area target, like enemy logistic convoy or mortar-position The pilot is moving the nose up & down to cover all of the target in the volley.

This is the exact reason fighter jets rarely fire ATGMs but drop anti-armor clusterbombs on tank formations. Pin point accuracy hitting is not always necessary.

I think, In modern warfares, accuracy do matter because you cant go again and again to destroy the same target. Fighter jets are not preferable in the antiarmour role its simply exaggerated response with less accuracy. Target acquisition takes time so fighter jets have to expose them long in open sky and cant guide missile till it hits the target ( guiding till end increase hit probability ( Inputs ) compare to fire and forget ) it makes them vulnerable to enemy fire. On the other hand, Helicopter lurks toward the target with the precision wait, watch and analyze it, in order to minimize collateral damage

 

[vishnugupt]

But you got the point, right?

Footage is of the nose-mounted imager view. Targeting system is synced with the launches.

Only, Targeting system for gun sync with pilot vision. Rocket firing takes inputs from the computer, not from Pilot vision. Pilots only assigned a target or target area and position helicopter at attacking position.

 

[Bleh]

Only, Targeting system for gun sync with pilot vision. Rocket firing takes inputs from the computer, not from Pilot vision. Pilots only assigned a target or target area and position helicopter at attacking position.

No comments. Limited knowledge on this.

I think, In modern warfares, accuracy do matter because you cant go again and again to destroy the same target.

The rockets area damaging weapons, mostly for personnel & logistics. Something that's spread out & low cost (ie you can't spend too much taking it out).

 

[vishnugupt]

No comments. Limited knowledge on this.



The rockets area damaging weapons, mostly for personnel & logistics. Something that's spread out & low cost (ie you can't spend too much taking it out).
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Exactly. these types of formation are sitting ducks and unguided rockets are enough to take them down If, they not under cover of Air defense system. so why waste tons of precision ammunition. If there is an air defense system present then you have to knock down it first with the help of fighter jets. after that, it becomes a feeding frenzy for helicopters and low flying attack aircraft. at this level, your below statement became absolutely correct

Pin point accuracy hitting is not always necessary.