Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV)
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Things can change pretty rapidly when money starts changing hands this is about 100,000crore never forget that!
There would be no reason of many of these companies to go all out and present their wares at DEFEXPO if something was not already in the works.
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Ha Ha Ha.... this is Coup mongering and deliberate wrong reporting.
Unless this is combined requirements for India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Indinesia, African Countries, Afghanistan, CAS and Russia. Making a fighting vehicles for this market is possible and one must aim at that.
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Tata Motors sets aside land for Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicles (FICV) project
Tata Motors sets aside land for combat vehicles in Karnataka
Mumbai, Aug. 27:
Tata Motors has set aside 16 acres exclusively for its Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicles (FICV) project at Dharwad, Karnataka.
The combat vehicles, leveraged from the strength in design and development of a wide range of commercial vehicles, has enabled the company to cover the entire defence mobility spectrum.
The new unit is to have a capacity of 200 vehicles a year.
The company is to invest around Rs 600 crore for the development of the combat vehicles and to set up the manufacturing plant.
"Though a lot of work has already gone into developmental activities for the FICV at Pune, we are hopeful to commence project development at our Dharwad facility soon.
"We have dedicated funds for the FICV project," said a spokesperson of Tata Motors.
Revenue from the defence business was about Rs 1,000 crore in 2011-12, up 50 per cent over the last year.
Tata Motors is looking at 25-35 per cent growth in the current fiscal.
The knowledge and experience gained through the developmental projects has inspired Tata Motors to become a full-fledged Defence OEM in Land Systems with 'System and System Integration' (SOSI) capability.
"This was one of the reasons for Tata Motors to bid for the FICV project.
"We are one among four companies to have received expression of interest (EOI) to supply around 2,000 units of indigenous infantry combat vehicles," the official added.
With defence requirements on the rise in several States, especially in Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Bihar, MP and Maharashtra, the need for armoured vehicles by the CRPF and other Central paramilitary forces has also precipitated.
Demand from J&K and North Eastern States has also increased.
Tata Motors is striving to serve the need through the supply of Light Armoured Troop Carriers, Light Bullet Proof Vehicles and Mine Protected Vehicles.
Tata Motors current market share in the wheeled military segment is approximately 40 per cent, and in the internal security is 75 per cent.
"We work very closely with the DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) on the potential needs of the forces," said the spokesperson.
The company is also in the exploratory stage of entering the West Asian market for its defence vehicles.
Tata Motors sets aside land for combat vehicles in Karnataka
Mumbai, Aug. 27:
Tata Motors has set aside 16 acres exclusively for its Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicles (FICV) project at Dharwad, Karnataka.
The combat vehicles, leveraged from the strength in design and development of a wide range of commercial vehicles, has enabled the company to cover the entire defence mobility spectrum.
The new unit is to have a capacity of 200 vehicles a year.
The company is to invest around Rs 600 crore for the development of the combat vehicles and to set up the manufacturing plant.
"Though a lot of work has already gone into developmental activities for the FICV at Pune, we are hopeful to commence project development at our Dharwad facility soon.
"We have dedicated funds for the FICV project," said a spokesperson of Tata Motors.
Revenue from the defence business was about Rs 1,000 crore in 2011-12, up 50 per cent over the last year.
Tata Motors is looking at 25-35 per cent growth in the current fiscal.
The knowledge and experience gained through the developmental projects has inspired Tata Motors to become a full-fledged Defence OEM in Land Systems with 'System and System Integration' (SOSI) capability.
"This was one of the reasons for Tata Motors to bid for the FICV project.
"We are one among four companies to have received expression of interest (EOI) to supply around 2,000 units of indigenous infantry combat vehicles," the official added.
With defence requirements on the rise in several States, especially in Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Bihar, MP and Maharashtra, the need for armoured vehicles by the CRPF and other Central paramilitary forces has also precipitated.
Demand from J&K and North Eastern States has also increased.
Tata Motors is striving to serve the need through the supply of Light Armoured Troop Carriers, Light Bullet Proof Vehicles and Mine Protected Vehicles.
Tata Motors current market share in the wheeled military segment is approximately 40 per cent, and in the internal security is 75 per cent.
"We work very closely with the DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) on the potential needs of the forces," said the spokesperson.
The company is also in the exploratory stage of entering the West Asian market for its defence vehicles.
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re: Tata Motors sets aside land for Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicles (FICV) project
KamAZ already has a manufacturing unit in Karnataka. Will Tata tie up with them?
Don't forget, Mahindra has already tied up with Ural India for making MPVIs.
KamAZ already has a manufacturing unit in Karnataka. Will Tata tie up with them?
Don't forget, Mahindra has already tied up with Ural India for making MPVIs.
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Mahindra Defence's FICV project.
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Mahindra is partnering with BAE. TATA with rheinmetall.
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TATA Wheeled IFV Prototype Model
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Re: Tata Motors sets aside land for Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicles (FICV) projec
TATA Tracked IFV Prototype Model
TATA Tracked IFV Prototype Model
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Setback for private defence industry.
Setback for private defence industry. The future of the Future ICV project looks gloomy
MoD might re-tender ambitious Future Infantry Combat Vehicle project, 2 years after calling for and getting bids
By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 22nd Oct 12
The private sector's much tom-tommed opening into defence production, via the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV), intended to replace the army's 2,600 BMP-2s at an estimated cost of Rs 50,000 crore, faces an uncertain future. The defence ministry (MoD) is contemplating scrapping the current tender and restarting anew. This comes after sitting for two years on the FICV proposals from three private sector consortia and one public sector entity.
In early 2010, the MoD invited Tata Motors, the Mahindra Group, Larsen & Toubro and the MoD-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) to submit proposals to develop an FICV, a lightly armoured vehicle that carries infantry into battle alongside tank columns. After evaluating the four proposals, the MoD was to short-list two "development partners" who would then compete to develop a prototype each. The better of the two would be selected for the army.
But the MoD's Acquisitions Wing, which must make the short list, now complains that the tender (called an Expression of Interest, or EoI) did not define the criteria by which the winners would be selected. It wants a fresh EoI to be issued, with the criteria specified.
The wing cites the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) of 2008, where Para 22 of the "Make" category, covering the FICV project, says: "The EoI should also lay down the broad parameters of the evaluation process and acceptance criterion for the system under development."
But the MoD brass realises that cancelling the EoI (drawn up in the ministry) and going back to 2010 would involve a serious loss of credibility. Besides, the "Make" category itself outlines the acceptance criteria, specifying that, "the contribution of the Indian industry in the critical technology areas should be the key criterion in assessment of various proposals."
The three private sector companies worry that restarting afresh would result in the loss of at least 18 months to two years, as the MoD prepares a new EoI and then goes through a fresh evaluation process. Meanwhile, the project teams the proposed vendors have set up for the project would continue to bleed money.
"We have already spent about Rs 28 crores on the FICV project. Now we will have to evaluate our options to see how this programme is going to roll out. It has already been delayed by two years and we foresee at least another year's delay," says Brigadier (Retired) Khutab Hai, who heads the Mahindra Group's defence business.
The "Make" category of the DPP lays down the procedure for Indian industry to develop "high technology, complex systems", in order to "ensure Indigenous Research, Design, Development and Production of capabilities sought by the Armed Forces."
It also mandates that the MoD will fund 80% of the cost of developing each of the two FICV prototypes, while the short-listed vendors will pay 20% each. While the cost of developing and manufacturing 2600 FICVs can only be roughly estimated, senior executives from two of the competing companies estimate that the bill would add up to about Rs 50,000 crores. This makes it India's biggest-ever indigenous project.
According to the EoI, reviewed by Business Standard, the FICV has been conceived as a multi-role platform that must perform three roles. Firstly, it must be a battle-taxi that provides "mobility in battle for infantry, so that it can keep pace with armour." Secondly, it must "(p)rovide fire-support to the assaulting/dismounted infantry," i.e. spray the enemy with machine gun and cannon fire as the dismounted infantrymen charge at them. Thirdly, and most ambitiously, the FICV should hold its own on the mechanised battlefield, even against much more heavily armed tanks. According to the specifications, the FICV should "destroy enemy tanks, infantry or fortifications in conjunction with armour or independently."
The FICV must also have "adequate amphibious capability for crossing of water obstacles like canals, rivers and stretches of sea"; and be "air portable" (i.e. in a transport aircraft's cargo hold, or slung under a helicopter with chains). Its firepower must include a "fire-and-forget" third generation missile, a cannon and machine guns, which are operated through a "digital fully integrated fire control system with state of the art sensors and all weather surveillance devices."
This would allow the FICV to destroy enemy tanks more than 4 kilometres away, well before the tank can engage the FICV with its main gun. The EoI also demands the capability to destroy "attack helicopters and low flying fixed wing aircraft."
Broadsword: Setback for private defence industry. The future of the Future ICV project looks gloomy
Setback for private defence industry. The future of the Future ICV project looks gloomy
MoD might re-tender ambitious Future Infantry Combat Vehicle project, 2 years after calling for and getting bids
By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 22nd Oct 12
The private sector's much tom-tommed opening into defence production, via the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV), intended to replace the army's 2,600 BMP-2s at an estimated cost of Rs 50,000 crore, faces an uncertain future. The defence ministry (MoD) is contemplating scrapping the current tender and restarting anew. This comes after sitting for two years on the FICV proposals from three private sector consortia and one public sector entity.
In early 2010, the MoD invited Tata Motors, the Mahindra Group, Larsen & Toubro and the MoD-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) to submit proposals to develop an FICV, a lightly armoured vehicle that carries infantry into battle alongside tank columns. After evaluating the four proposals, the MoD was to short-list two "development partners" who would then compete to develop a prototype each. The better of the two would be selected for the army.
But the MoD's Acquisitions Wing, which must make the short list, now complains that the tender (called an Expression of Interest, or EoI) did not define the criteria by which the winners would be selected. It wants a fresh EoI to be issued, with the criteria specified.
The wing cites the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) of 2008, where Para 22 of the "Make" category, covering the FICV project, says: "The EoI should also lay down the broad parameters of the evaluation process and acceptance criterion for the system under development."
But the MoD brass realises that cancelling the EoI (drawn up in the ministry) and going back to 2010 would involve a serious loss of credibility. Besides, the "Make" category itself outlines the acceptance criteria, specifying that, "the contribution of the Indian industry in the critical technology areas should be the key criterion in assessment of various proposals."
The three private sector companies worry that restarting afresh would result in the loss of at least 18 months to two years, as the MoD prepares a new EoI and then goes through a fresh evaluation process. Meanwhile, the project teams the proposed vendors have set up for the project would continue to bleed money.
"We have already spent about Rs 28 crores on the FICV project. Now we will have to evaluate our options to see how this programme is going to roll out. It has already been delayed by two years and we foresee at least another year's delay," says Brigadier (Retired) Khutab Hai, who heads the Mahindra Group's defence business.
The "Make" category of the DPP lays down the procedure for Indian industry to develop "high technology, complex systems", in order to "ensure Indigenous Research, Design, Development and Production of capabilities sought by the Armed Forces."
It also mandates that the MoD will fund 80% of the cost of developing each of the two FICV prototypes, while the short-listed vendors will pay 20% each. While the cost of developing and manufacturing 2600 FICVs can only be roughly estimated, senior executives from two of the competing companies estimate that the bill would add up to about Rs 50,000 crores. This makes it India's biggest-ever indigenous project.
According to the EoI, reviewed by Business Standard, the FICV has been conceived as a multi-role platform that must perform three roles. Firstly, it must be a battle-taxi that provides "mobility in battle for infantry, so that it can keep pace with armour." Secondly, it must "(p)rovide fire-support to the assaulting/dismounted infantry," i.e. spray the enemy with machine gun and cannon fire as the dismounted infantrymen charge at them. Thirdly, and most ambitiously, the FICV should hold its own on the mechanised battlefield, even against much more heavily armed tanks. According to the specifications, the FICV should "destroy enemy tanks, infantry or fortifications in conjunction with armour or independently."
The FICV must also have "adequate amphibious capability for crossing of water obstacles like canals, rivers and stretches of sea"; and be "air portable" (i.e. in a transport aircraft's cargo hold, or slung under a helicopter with chains). Its firepower must include a "fire-and-forget" third generation missile, a cannon and machine guns, which are operated through a "digital fully integrated fire control system with state of the art sensors and all weather surveillance devices."
This would allow the FICV to destroy enemy tanks more than 4 kilometres away, well before the tank can engage the FICV with its main gun. The EoI also demands the capability to destroy "attack helicopters and low flying fixed wing aircraft."
Broadsword: Setback for private defence industry. The future of the Future ICV project looks gloomy
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private sector thinks it is very smart and getting a foreign technology partner will make them eligible enough to get the contract then getting money from govt in the name of product developement and all will fetch them good money. in all they will be earning money from govt under development head, sales head and saving in R&D by getting a foreign partner
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word is putin is likely to offer bmp3 which is atleast 25 years old.
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Most ICVs are hopelessly outgunned in an unfortunate standoff with MBTs... Isn't the idea of mounting something like GAU-8 Avenger Anti-Tank Gatling-type cannon (primary armament) on ICVs feasable? As a pseudo Mobile Gun Platform supported by ATGMs?
Sorry, but these crazy ideas keep coming to mind...
Sorry, but these crazy ideas keep coming to mind...
well MBTs are a hell of a machine.............BUT they can't transport men.the idea behind an ICV is that it transports troops and provide support to them.Well the enormus recoil of gau 8 would topple the icv plus the ammunition is costly.Since ICV needs to only support troops thus it need not be heavily armed and also carries some ATGM for occasional confrontation with tanks.
TATA's ICV is a lot sexier than MAHINDRA's solutionTATA Wheeled IFV Prototype Model
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Does the tender (EOI) specify the modularity of turrets? i.e. Does it require that the turret mounted weapon system be removable and a different system be installed at short notice according to the situations and hostiles expected?
It would allow the IA to be flexible in the deployable of the IFVs and allow them to be deployable in non conventional situations.
It would allow the IA to be flexible in the deployable of the IFVs and allow them to be deployable in non conventional situations.
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No such requirement..
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