FOREIGN POLICY: New, Strong and Clear Outreach

[Varoon2]

Some Indians like to take these ultra idealistic positions, where India must do absolutely everything perfectly and saintly, or itself be accused of the exact same behaviour that the Western countries have been guilty of. That's ridiculous historically and ideologically. It shows an absence of a feel for India's history, where India is coming from, and moreover, what its long term intent is. It doesn't mean India can't be criticised, it should be on certain issues. But in a more balanced, nuanced way. Understand the history and motivation/ intent first, then proceed with the criticism.

 

[DingDong]

 

[indiatester]

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Where are these "very basic and simple set of demands" coming from?
Is it from this individual, or is it any leaked info from GoI?

"Non interference in our state of affairs" is a hard thing to commit to from the other countries.
Its also very very hard to monitor and verify from our side.

 

[ezsasa]

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argument over complicated by current discourse and geo political equations, allow me to simplify this.

India's ask has been very simple for decades "respect India's sovereignty and territorial integrity". every action GoI undertakes flows from this fundamental ask.

because some countries have positioned themselves in such a way that they violate this basic tenet, GoI takes measures to defend itself, which in turn manifests itself in stands that GoI takes in geopolitical forums.

If India was a secure Island geographically, GoI would have been talking about different things entirely. since India is not a geographically secure island, here we are.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Modi Govt need to be defensive in explaining its stand on "Israel-palaestinian" to opposition.

In Rus-Ukraine also India "absentined". That time opp kept quiet, why hypocisy abt "Human rights" now? Expose congrass "votebank" politics.

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[Eagle Eye]

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If they bring in Gandhi supported palaestinian, tell them he also supported "shutting down congrass" after Independence.

Drag in 26/11 terrorist attack, how they blamed Hindus. Also tell people, palaestinian supported "pakistan" on kashmir issue.

 

[Eagle Eye]

On Sri lankan war, 1.5 lakhs Tamilans died. Congrass/UPA absentined vote against Sri lanka in UN. Where did "Human rights go?"

If congrass want do politics in "foreign policy", Bjp should give it back. Even theakeders of Tamils, con ally Dmk cannot hide.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Now Italian sonia doing politics on foreign policy of Indian stand in UN Vote & attacking PM Modi.

 

[shade]

Now Italian sonia doing politics on foreign policy of Indian stand in UN Vote & attacking PM Modi.

Mommy, beta and beti are all doing this for those green votes

Sonia Gandhi condemns Hamas attack, reiterates Congress’s stand on ‘rights of Palestinians’

In column she wrote for The Hindu, former Congress president Sonia Gandhi says Israeli govt 'making grievous error in equating Hamas’s actions with those of Palestinian people’.

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Very interestingly they all condemn the Hummus attacks, proving the Israelis have some degree of claws even in Chrogress party.

I mean they could have been hummus apologists and greeens would have fully voted them

 

[Hari Sud]

US-India Relations: A Change in Dynamics

Relations between the US and India have experienced a noticeable shift since President Biden's visit to the G-20 meeting in India. While Biden expressed comfort and appreciation towards India's handling of the summit, the initial warmth may have diminished over last three month.

India's PM Modi had received a grand reception at the White House & the Congress, marking a strengthening bond between the two nations a good diplomatic move. Central to this relationship was the hope that the US would shift its manufacturing from China to India, thereby bolstering India's economic growth with increased foreign direct investment. However, post his visit, there appears to be a change in Biden's stance towards India.

From a strategic viewpoint, the US sees India as a potential counterbalance to China. However, there are apprehensions that an empowered India might demand greater influence, echoing China's rise two decades ago. This seems to be an unsettling prospect for the US.

Furthermore, India's neutral stance on the Ukraine conflict and the receding threat from China to Taiwan may have caused the US to reconsider its alliance with India as well as QUAD, the latter has made no progress at all in last three years. Moreover, a controversial incident in Canada involving alleged celebrations of a terrorist's death by Indian Consulate staff further complicated matters. The US's role in alerting Canada about this remains ambiguous, but there's speculation about it being a US strategic move to distance from India.

It's essential to highlight that both the US and Canada have faced their own controversies in the past, which makes it questionable to criticize India based on unverified incidents. It is a fools paradise to criticize India when both these countries have eliminated threats to their own nationhood with often said “License to Kill” at will.

Regardless of these developments, India's economic trajectory is unlikely to be deterred by external policy changes. If regional threats arise again, notably from China, the dynamics of the US-India relationship might witness another transformation. The Chinese threat will always remain but India has built its military muscles and Chinese have too much on their plate like Taiwan invasion, Philippines, Vietnam and Japan etc. that makes them not a big threat to India.

Hence relations with US will always remain on again and off again.

 

[Tshering22]

US-India Relations: A Change in Dynamics

Relations between the US and India have experienced a noticeable shift since President Biden's visit to the G-20 meeting in India. While Biden expressed comfort and appreciation towards India's handling of the summit, the initial warmth may have diminished over last three month.

India's PM Modi had received a grand reception at the White House & the Congress, marking a strengthening bond between the two nations a good diplomatic move. Central to this relationship was the hope that the US would shift its manufacturing from China to India, thereby bolstering India's economic growth with increased foreign direct investment. However, post his visit, there appears to be a change in Biden's stance towards India.

From a strategic viewpoint, the US sees India as a potential counterbalance to China. However, there are apprehensions that an empowered India might demand greater influence, echoing China's rise two decades ago. This seems to be an unsettling prospect for the US.

Furthermore, India's neutral stance on the Ukraine conflict and the receding threat from China to Taiwan may have caused the US to reconsider its alliance with India as well as QUAD, the latter has made no progress at all in last three years. Moreover, a controversial incident in Canada involving alleged celebrations of a terrorist's death by Indian Consulate staff further complicated matters. The US's role in alerting Canada about this remains ambiguous, but there's speculation about it being a US strategic move to distance from India.

It's essential to highlight that both the US and Canada have faced their own controversies in the past, which makes it questionable to criticize India based on unverified incidents. It is a fools paradise to criticize India when both these countries have eliminated threats to their own nationhood with often said “License to Kill” at will.

Regardless of these developments, India's economic trajectory is unlikely to be deterred by external policy changes. If regional threats arise again, notably from China, the dynamics of the US-India relationship might witness another transformation. The Chinese threat will always remain but India has built its military muscles and the Chinese have too much on their plate like the Taiwan invasion, the Philippines, Vietnam Japan etc. which makes them not a big threat to India.

Hence relations with the US will always remain on again and off again.

You are not considering the strategic weakening of American influence collectively in the region.

It's not just about hard military power, but also about their soft power and capability to influence the region's countries.

No matter how much we criticize China, the speed with which they have moved into West Asia and Africa using BRICS and SCO is very impressive. Meanwhile, we have consistently failed to make our presence bigger in the BRICS, or even use it for making anything meaningful in Africa.

Our preference to go at it alone is sometimes a major obstacle in pursuing counterbalancing strategies against larger powers while growing our clout as a country.

Americans have lost considerable ground in the developing world after the war in Ukraine, and that's evident. The ongoing Israel-Hamas war has further raised the spectre of an American withdrawal.

In such a situation, we need to ask a few pertinent questions:

1. How insulated are we from the regional threats? Not just China, but also from a coterie of hostile Islamic countries?
2. What are the chances of the US turning on us when it realizes that it can't stop China?
3. What are we doing to keep a check on American covert aggression inside our country?
4. What leverages do we have other than the "Countering China (CC)" one?

As the West weakens, I see an increasingly hostile US under the globalist-liberal framework that they have morphed themselves into. They will counter China and Russia within their own alliance, but they also see us as the next China so they will try to nip us in the bud before we become too powerful.

And given this imposed Western-style democracy that we are (without Indian characteristics such as the Janapada-Rajya system), we are playing by the rules that the West invented.

 

[shade]

No matter how much we criticize China, the speed with which they have moved into West Asia and Africa using BRICS and SCO is very impressive. Meanwhile, we have consistently failed to make our presence bigger in the BRICS, or even use it for making anything meaningful in Africa.

Utna door kyu ja rahe ho.
Just check our neighboring countries, and it's only because the Chinaman has $$$

Nepal just got USD 300 Billion in aid from Uncle Sam, surely this is pocket change for him.

In geopolitics having money is the absolute bare minimum, we don't qualify.

 

[Tshering22]

Utna door kyu ja rahe ho.
Just check our neighbouring countries, and it's only because the Chinaman has $$$

Nepal just got USD 300 Billion in aid from Uncle Sam, surely this is pocket change for him.

In geopolitics having money is the absolute bare minimum, we don't qualify.

Not really. Dole get your foot in the door but to enter, you need more than just a chequebook.

Our neighbouring countries are perennial beggars. We cannot rely on them and endless doleouts.

Countries like Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Botswana, Ghana, etc, have far more substance and areas of opportunity for Indian influence compared to the clowns around us. Building infrastructure that does something for them rather than sitting idle like the Chinese ports and airports, would go much further in increasing our influence.

An airport built in Tanzania would be far better utilized and generate revenues. Why? Because Tanzania is promoting its tourism like anything and has seen a massive upsurge in the tourist flow after COVID. That is how infrastructure will be used. Compare that to the shitty Mattala Rajapakse Airport in Sri Lanka, sitting empty to this date where the airport does not even have a two-lane roadway.

Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka need to be reined in frequently by changing their systems and only spending the requisite money which benefits them but even more benefits us. They are not worthy of wasting time and money on. China will keep pumping money but if we remind them that any military bases in their countries would be seen as a military threat to India, they will cool down.

We need to focus on resource-rich countries that are working to make a difference in their economies. Not basket cases of the subcontinent.

BRICS should be used as a marketing spree rather than as a stop-gap measure. That's what China is doing. Everyone in the grouping has different agendas but is equally invested in ensuring alternate, non-Western financial systems develop.

And Nepal got $300 million, not a billion. We have given 10x that amount to Sri Lanka and yet we are struggling. Instead, had we retaliated against SL by toppling the Rajapakse-blessed Ranil government, it would have sent a message.

 

[Tshering22]

Based move by India.

We are going to buy oil from Venezuela due to the ongoing war in West Asia and the risks of a spillover.


We need to secure oil from five non-Islamic countries: Russia, Venezuela, Angola, Vietnam and Brazil. If we can get these guys into confidence of being reliable suppliers and take care of them as reliable stakeholders, India can start manhandling shitty ones like Qatar and Kuwait in the language they understand: sending the Baba Yaga in.

 

[ezsasa]

Good summary by Saurav Jha
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India walks alone, and Beckons

India walks alone, and beckons – Schweizer Monat

India rejects the zero-sum bipolar mentality that has come to dominate views on geopolitics. It seeks a non-bloc architecture for globalisation. If the West understands this, both sides can benefit…

schweizermonat.ch

 

[Tshering22]

Good summary by Saurav Jha
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India walks alone, and Beckons

India walks alone, and beckons – Schweizer Monat

India rejects the zero-sum bipolar mentality that has come to dominate views on geopolitics. It seeks a non-bloc architecture for globalisation. If the West understands this, both sides can benefit…

schweizermonat.ch

That IF is a very big one and Jha also knows it. The Anglo-American faction, even when getting weaker by the day, is still arrogant and drunk with the power of its past glory. It continues to assume that the world would kowtow to its whims and thinks that there will be no consequences for its arrogant foreign policy.

Factionalism is an Abrahamic and therefore, European/Neanderthal trait more than the Asian concept of jana jati, where factionalism can end with reasoning and a shared sense of purpose. The former is literally how the Anglo-Saxon order came to dominate the world. They lived by factionalism and will die by it.

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We have had tremendous success diplomatically speaking in the last two years, despite some setbacks during the early days of COVID. I would say that is a win. However, diplomacy is only effective if we have the hard power and, more importantly, the willingness to show that we will use hard power where necessary, to draw clear lines.

Killing chickens to scare away the monkeys is an important part of this game and we are not using it against the likes of Maldives. Intimidating Maldives' new President should do the trick - he needs to be reminded that any threats to the security of Indian territory and hosting of PLA bases against us would make Maldives a fair target for Indian projectiles.

 

[Crazywithmath]

Killing chickens to scare away the monkeys is an important part of this game and we are not using it against the likes of Maldives. Intimidating Maldives' new President should do the trick - he needs to be reminded that any threats to the security of Indian territory and hosting of PLA bases against us would make Maldives a fair target for Indian projectiles.

Apparently, the President elect of Maldives has invited India in his oath taking ceremony.

Also, notice the words of his spokespersons....

Maldives President-elect Mohamed Muizzu invites India for inauguration but uncertainty prevails over Indian military presence - Times of India

Rest of World News: India has been invited to the oath-taking ceremony of Maldives president-elect Mohamed Muizzu on November 17. However, India has not yet decided who w

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[binayak95]

Apparently, the President elect of Maldives has invited India in his oath taking ceremony.

Also, notice the words of his spokespersons....

Maldives President-elect Mohamed Muizzu invites India for inauguration but uncertainty prevails over Indian military presence - Times of India

Rest of World News: India has been invited to the oath-taking ceremony of Maldives president-elect Mohamed Muizzu on November 17. However, India has not yet decided who w

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

So much for his rhetoric. The moment you come to Power in an Indian Ocean Region state, you have little choice but to answer to realpolitik

 

[Cheepek]

China will get a breather now

Nepal-ification of Maldives going on

Ex-Maldivian Prez Yameen Under Investigation For Political Activities During House Arrest | MENAFN.COM

 

[Cheran]

New Maldives PM report card -

1. Asks India to withdraw 77 troops
2. First state visit to Turkey
3. Cancels 2019 hydrographic survey pact
4. Did not attend 6th meetup of Colombo security conclave