Failed Terrorist State of Pakistan: Idiotic Musings

[cyclops]

@Indx TechStyle
@SREEKAR

No sane indian will post there. Still some shameless indians(mostly bhakts) posting there

I go there only to get info on Paki military weapons and stuff, its a good info pool.

Mostly its paki fanboys 'pakoing khyali pulaos' and hoping against hope that they'll get blk 2,3,4,10 on their JFTs, AlKhalids, etc the very next month without wasting a single paki cent or developing any manufacturing environment, or that the chicoms will give them free knowhow on their stuff(LOL) because they are now their "pharend", or desparately brown nosing and giving excuses for the chicom posters especially when the chini maal fails to get selected by their own military.
When their bubble pops its just righteously funny.

Also its crazy how they think they "have made" and are operating a credible weapon system in a shorter amount of time when the more experienced players take decades to complete that very same system.

Its also fun sometimes, you should see how when a paki poster with privileged sources comes around and says something counter to the propaganda that they have been fed, and if he does that woe betide him for as long as he stays in pee dee fart.

Paki teenagers will jump his ass and harass him and it doesn't even matter if the poster is in the paki military; while the older posters try to calm shit down but to no avail.

You will not see that sort of shit here.

Stay there just to keep up with the military development on their side if not to have a sane factual argument.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

@Indx TechStyle
@SREEKAR



I go there only to get info on Paki military weapons and stuff, its a good info pool.

Mostly its paki fanboys 'pakoing khyali pulaos' and hoping against hope that they'll get blk 2,3,4,10 on their JFTs, AlKhalids, etc the very next month without wasting a single paki cent or developing any manufacturing environment, or that the chicoms will give them free knowhow on their stuff(LOL) because they are now their "pharend", or desparately brown nosing and giving excuses for the chicom posters especially when the chini maal fails to get selected by their own military.
When their bubble pops its just righteously funny.

Also its crazy how they think they "have made" and are operating a credible weapon system in a shorter amount of time when the more experienced players take decades to complete that very same system.

Its also fun sometimes, you should see how when a paki poster with privileged sources comes around and says something counter to the propaganda that they have been fed, and if he does that woe betide him for as long as he stays in pee dee fart.

Paki teenagers will jump his ass and harass him and it doesn't even matter if the poster is in the paki military; while the older posters try to calm shit down but to no avail.

You will not see that sort of shit here.

Stay there just to keep up with the military development on their side if not to have a sane factual argument.

What's your impression of the overall conventional balance after keeping track of their purchases? Have we widened the gap in the past 5 years, or is the balance overall the same as it was?

 

[Pandeyji]

What's your impression of the overall conventional balance after keeping track of their purchases? Have we widened the gap in the past 5 years, or is the balance overall the same as it was?

Not much gap quantity wise but quality wise

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Not much gap quantity wise but quality wise

I think we should revisit the topic. I want any knowledgeable member to give a detailed analysis of the conventional balance. Most articles online talking about it are old, and not very detailed about the qualitative difference in weaponry and training.

 

[Mikesingh]

I go there (Peedeff) only to get info on Paki military weapons and stuff, its a good info pool.

Stay there just to keep up with the military development on their side if not to have a sane factual argument.

'Military developments' in Pak?? What developments? They have zero development - military, economic, spiritual or intellectual. It's a failed state on its last legs with the pussy Islamist Army of Pak and the terrorist mullah brigade ruling the roost.

Most of the stuff they peddle are either Chinese fakes which have been dumped in Pak by their masters and rechristened with names of ancient Muslim marauders, or photoshopped images of missiles etc.

Even their Nasrs are nothing but duds that have never been tested. The technology for producing miniature nukes is only with a select few countries and Pak is not one of them.

Then what Pakis call a 'game changer' missile that was shown to be fired from a Paki submarine was actually a Chinese sub firing a missile from underwater and then photoshopped by the morons of the ISPR to show that it was a Paki made missile!! Lol! Nuclear triad, my ass!

No point visiting that shithole of a site called PeeDeeEff for info on Paki weapons. It's nothing but propaganda, lies, fiction, fabrication, falsehoods and misinformation. It's one big joke!

 

[Pandeyji]

I think we should revisit the topic. I want any knowledgeable member to give a detailed analysis of the conventional balance. Most articles online talking about it are old, and not very detailed about the qualitative difference in weaponry and training.

I would also like a new thread for such discussions be opened up. But it should be serious & heavily monitored by mods.

 

[Mikesingh]

Not much gap quantity wise but quality wise

Both! Quantity as well as quality. And it's not just about military power alone. You'd need to factor in several other parameters too for gauging the strength, prestige and influence of a nation that translates to power projection.

Check it out....

Pak has a long way to go to even think of playing catch-up. And that Paki minister, after the successful launch of the Agni V, just let out an enormous brain fart when he said that India needs to stop over-arming itself as the 'strategic balance' between India and Pak will be affected!! What strategic balance??? They are light years behind us in every field.

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[Suryavanshi]

@Mikesingh brotha is it true that Paki infantry is better equipped than us? Or is it just photo ops

 

[Mikesingh]

@Mikesingh brotha is it true that Paki infantry is better equipped than us? Or is it just photo ops

Nope, they aren't especially when induction of new infantry weapons is in the process and our troops being kitted out at a fast pace.

But then, remember, it's the man behind the machine that counts!! :biggrin2:

 

[mayfair]

But then, remember, it's the man behind the machine that counts!! :biggrin2:

Yes and therefore, to optimise the potential of our men, we must put them behind the best of machines- preferably those that we can develop on our own.

 

[Pandeyji]

Both! Quantity as well as quality. And it's not just about military power alone. You'd need to factor in several other parameters too for gauging the strength, prestige and influence of a nation that translates to power projection.

Check it out....

Pak has a long way to go to even think of playing catch-up. And that Paki minister, after the successful launch of the Agni V, just let out an enormous brain fart when he said that India needs to stop over-arming itself as the 'strategic balance' between India and Pak will be affected!! What strategic balance??? They are light years behind us in every field.

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They could direct their whole army towards us but we couldn't direct all our assets towards them due to this small problem known as China. Once you consider this fact you would realise that the quantity gap although in our favour isn't very much.

 

[Mikesingh]

They could direct their whole army towards us but we couldn't direct all our assets towards them due to this small problem known as China. Once you consider this fact you would realise that the quantity gap although in our favour isn't very much.

Combat ratio vis a vis Pak and India is 1:1.5 And then add the force multipliers we have and the ratio almost doubles.

 

[Mikesingh]

Yes and therefore, to optimise the potential of our men, we must put them behind the best of machines- preferably those that we can develop on our own.

Agreed! We therefore need to ask the political dispensation what they have been doing for the past almost 70 years? We would have been a net exporter of arms with cutting edge technology if we had shed the Nehruvian style of socialism five decades ago and encouraged R&D in defence design and production and privatization.

 

[mayfair]

Socialism was never the problem with the lack of a substantial MIC. After all the socialist Eastern Block kept churning out weapon systems without a hitch, even as their economies sluggishly plodded along. No the problem with Nehruvian socialism was primarily two-fold-

1. Abhorrence of large scale industrialisation, especially in private capacity beyond the existing players- all of whom happened to be dual British and INC supporters before and after independence. They were happy to encourage the protectionist policy and saw no need to innovate, when they had the captive market.

2. A paranoia against the armed forces; this probably arose from the INA rebellion and the INC top hirerachy's recognition that how Netaji's influence actually played a big role in the weakening hold of the Crown over the sword arm- the British Indian army and the revolts that happened in 1945-47. Their paranoia was further reinforced with military coup in Shitistan, where one descendant branch of the British Indian Army overthrew the executive. Nehru and INC brasses were absolutely determined never to let it happen to them, even if it meant blunting the armed forces.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Combat ratio vis a vis Pak and India is 1:1.5 And then add the force multipliers we have and the ratio almost doubles.

What is the reserve force?

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[cyclops]

What's your impression of the overall conventional balance after keeping track of their purchases? Have we widened the gap in the past 5 years, or is the balance overall the same as it was?

Oh yes.
We have managed to outpace them to a degree, mainly because of 2 factors ailing the pakis, 1- monetary and overall lack of resources and options, and 2- nil manufacturing capacity in napakistan.
Though they don't mention it often, but deep down most of them know especially the senior members that India is doing one thing after the other and pak is either able to do very little or nothing at all.
This is the silently creeping feeling in their sticky threads.

We still can do better with our acquisition process and widen the gap even more so.
But its like whenever we act like laggards they manage to upend us and get into some shit with their products which makes them go 2 steps back.
Its like a fucking comedy of errors.

For eg. look at the F16 fiasco.
Over the course of time, they have used their F-16s and realised that those are reliable af.
Initially all of this started when their 30 or something F-16s got embargoed back in the 90s.
It took them years to get only half of them back and then pakis had to buy the rest, i.e. used ones from Jordan.
And by that time those F16s had become old, but being legacy fighters now came the troublesome task of costly upgradation.
They start their procurement process all over again, now they want 36 new F-16s, and again US leaves them hanging and gives them only half, the other half US backtracked and decided that pakis be made to pay the full amount, and pakis being the miserly beggars they are couldn't buy it.
Which was USA's intention to begin with.
Basically, americans promise them stuff and then keep dragging the process and all the while we are rapidly inducting stuff, their time is being wasted, and they are losing edge over us with every passing year.
Again, the same thing happened with the French who basically embargoed pakis during 1999 and declined to provide them the Agosta subs and Mirage IIIs, effectively leaving the pakis with their dicks in their hand in broad daylight, and now they are too busy catering to us, selling Rafales and Scorpenes to bother with the pakis.
There goes another option.
And slowly they are being isolated.

Pakis are well aware that buying from Americans come with a shit ton of strings attached, but be it F16s or the AH1 Cobras they know that no chini crap is going to come close to it, which is why they don't even bother evaluating American systems with systems of say Turkey or China, proof being the recent trials for PA's T129s and WZ10, were standalone and did not test the Cobras.
BTW, the turkish T129s won, chini maal was found insufficient.

Why go for T129s at all?
Simple, again the Cobras, its spares and missiles are sanction prone, so if they buy large numbers of it, which we don't even know if US will actually sell anymore, they'll effectively be saddled with toothless weapons when hostilities arise, while our Apaches, LCHs, Arjuns and T-90s rampage through their cities.

Here's the funny bit though, T-129s have a boat load of American systems including the all critical turboshaft engine and almost all missiles, which again make them sanction prone as well.

Same reason why pakis are not committing to the J-10s, and still pining away for F-16s.

So in the end its like this, our defence procurements mostly are hindered by our own ineptitude, pakis' on the other hand suffer from their own ineptitude and the unwillingness of western weapons manufacturers and the very low quality options available from China or even Turkey.

You almost feel tempted to feel sorry for these losers, but then they open their mouths and out comes excrement and you realise pakis deserve their pathetic condition and that constant feeling of dread.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Oh yes.
We have managed to outpace them to a degree, mainly because of 2 factors ailing the pakis, 1- monetary and overall lack of resources and options, and 2- nil manufacturing capacity in napakistan.
Though they don't mention it often, but deep down most of them know especially the senior members that India is doing one thing after the other and pak is either able to do very little or nothing at all.
This is the silently creeping feeling in their sticky threads.

We still can do better with our acquisition process and widen the gap even more so.
But its like whenever we act like laggards they manage to upend us and get into some shit with their products which makes them go 2 steps back.
Its like a fucking comedy of errors.

For eg. look at the F16 fiasco.
Over the course of time, they have used their F-16s and realised that those are reliable af.
Initially all of this started when their 30 or something F-16s got embargoed back in the 90s.
It took them years to get only half of them back and then pakis had to buy the rest, i.e. used ones from Jordan.
And by that time those F16s had become old, but being legacy fighters now came the troublesome task of costly upgradation.
They start their procurement process all over again, now they want 36 new F-16s, and again US leaves them hanging and gives them only half, the other half US backtracked and decided that pakis be made to pay the full amount, and pakis being the miserly beggars they are couldn't buy it.
Which was USA's intention to begin with.
Basically, americans promise them stuff and then keep dragging the process and all the while we are rapidly inducting stuff, their time is being wasted, and they are losing edge over us with every passing year.
Again, the same thing happened with the French who basically embargoed pakis during 1999 and declined to provide them the Agosta subs and Mirage IIIs, effectively leaving the pakis with their dicks in their hand in broad daylight, and now they are too busy catering to us, selling Rafales and Scorpenes to bother with the pakis.
There goes another option.
And slowly they are being isolated.

Pakis are well aware that buying from Americans come with a shit ton of strings attached, but be it F16s or the AH1 Cobras they know that no chini crap is going to come close to it, which is why they don't even bother evaluating American systems with systems of say Turkey or China, proof being the recent trials for PA's T129s and WZ10, were standalone and did not test the Cobras.
BTW, the turkish T129s won, chini maal was found insufficient.

Why go for T129s at all?
Simple, again the Cobras, its spares and missiles are sanction prone, so if they buy large numbers of it, which we don't even know if US will actually sell anymore, they'll effectively be saddled with toothless weapons when hostilities arise, while our Apaches, LCHs, Arjuns and T-90s rampage through their cities.

Here's the funny bit though, T-129s have a boat load of American systems including the all critical turboshaft engine and almost all missiles, which again make them sanction prone as well.

Same reason why pakis are not committing to the J-10s, and still pining away for F-16s.

So in the end its like this, our defence procurements mostly are hindered by our own ineptitude, pakis' on the other hand suffer from their own ineptitude and the unwillingness of western weapons manufacturers and the very low quality options available from China or even Turkey.

You almost feel tempted to feel sorry for these losers, but then they open their mouths and out comes excrement and you realise pakis deserve their pathetic condition and that constant feeling of dread.

What are the areas in which we have widened the gap in the past few years? I mean in army and air force. I know there is no comparison in naval modernization.

 

[Mikesingh]

What is the reserve force?

More than 2 million! 2,143,000 to be exact.

 

[Mikesingh]

Oh yes.
We have managed to outpace them to a degree, mainly because of 2 factors ailing the pakis, 1- monetary and overall lack of resources and options, and 2- nil manufacturing capacity in napakistan.
Though they don't mention it often, but deep down most of them know especially the senior members that India is doing one thing after the other and pak is either able to do very little or nothing at all.
This is the silently creeping feeling in their sticky threads.

We still can do better with our acquisition process and widen the gap even more so.
But its like whenever we act like laggards they manage to upend us and get into some shit with their products which makes them go 2 steps back.
Its like a fucking comedy of errors.

For eg. look at the F16 fiasco.
Over the course of time, they have used their F-16s and realised that those are reliable af.
Initially all of this started when their 30 or something F-16s got embargoed back in the 90s.
It took them years to get only half of them back and then pakis had to buy the rest, i.e. used ones from Jordan.
And by that time those F16s had become old, but being legacy fighters now came the troublesome task of costly upgradation.
They start their procurement process all over again, now they want 36 new F-16s, and again US leaves them hanging and gives them only half, the other half US backtracked and decided that pakis be made to pay the full amount, and pakis being the miserly beggars they are couldn't buy it.
Which was USA's intention to begin with.
Basically, americans promise them stuff and then keep dragging the process and all the while we are rapidly inducting stuff, their time is being wasted, and they are losing edge over us with every passing year.
Again, the same thing happened with the French who basically embargoed pakis during 1999 and declined to provide them the Agosta subs and Mirage IIIs, effectively leaving the pakis with their dicks in their hand in broad daylight, and now they are too busy catering to us, selling Rafales and Scorpenes to bother with the pakis.
There goes another option.
And slowly they are being isolated.

Pakis are well aware that buying from Americans come with a shit ton of strings attached, but be it F16s or the AH1 Cobras they know that no chini crap is going to come close to it, which is why they don't even bother evaluating American systems with systems of say Turkey or China, proof being the recent trials for PA's T129s and WZ10, were standalone and did not test the Cobras.
BTW, the turkish T129s won, chini maal was found insufficient.

Why go for T129s at all?
Simple, again the Cobras, its spares and missiles are sanction prone, so if they buy large numbers of it, which we don't even know if US will actually sell anymore, they'll effectively be saddled with toothless weapons when hostilities arise, while our Apaches, LCHs, Arjuns and T-90s rampage through their cities.

Here's the funny bit though, T-129s have a boat load of American systems including the all critical turboshaft engine and almost all missiles, which again make them sanction prone as well.

Same reason why pakis are not committing to the J-10s, and still pining away for F-16s.

So in the end its like this, our defence procurements mostly are hindered by our own ineptitude, pakis' on the other hand suffer from their own ineptitude and the unwillingness of western weapons manufacturers and the very low quality options available from China or even Turkey.

You almost feel tempted to feel sorry for these losers, but then they open their mouths and out comes excrement and you realise pakis deserve their pathetic condition and that constant feeling of dread.

Well brought out!! Couldn't have said that better!

 

[Suryavanshi]

You almost feel tempted to feel sorry for these losers, but then they open their mouths and out comes excrement and you realise pakis deserve their pathetic condition and that constant feeling of dread.

This is one of the greatest roast of porkies