F-INSAS Futuristic Infantry Soldier As a System

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Most OICW type of programs the world over are using the 20mm grenade, but the under development DRDO F-INSAS gun has a 40mm UBGL.

Why is it so? what are the pros & cons of 20mm VS 40mm?
@Kunal Biswas @sayareakd and others... any idea?
 
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Most OICW type of programs the world over are using the 20mm grenade, but the under development DRDO F-INSAS gun has a 40mm UBGL.

Why is it so? what are the pros & cons of 20mm VS 40mm?
@Kunal Biswas @sayareakd and others... any idea?
BTW OICW was cancelled and XM 25 had some issue with mis fire. Only K11 rifle from Korea is in service.
 
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40mm has bigger warhead hence better explosive power and we already use it, But such UBGL has slow rate of fire and are heavy hence carrier d lesser in number compare to 20mm but again these are detachable..

20mm is lighter yet has good fragmentation over head, Its fragments which are deadly and you can carry twice the numbers than of 40mm, though lack explosive power but has high rate of fire..

Why is it so? what are the pros & cons of 20mm VS 40mm?
@Kunal Biswas @sayareakd and others... any idea?
 
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So, did IA choose 40mm or it was the only option offered? any idea?

40mm has bigger warhead hence better explosive power and we already use it, But such UBGL has slow rate of fire and are heavy hence carrier d lesser in number compare to 20mm but again these are detachable..

20mm is lighter yet has good fragmentation over head, Its fragments which are deadly and you can carry twice the numbers than of 40mm, though lack explosive power but has high rate of fire..
 

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Its the only option also IA prefer battle proven products like 6.8/6.5mm ammo was in Multi-cal but later only 5.56mm & 7.62M43 were chosen..

So, did IA choose 40mm or it was the only option offered? any idea?
 

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40mm has bigger warhead hence better explosive power and we already use it, But such UBGL has slow rate of fire and are heavy hence carrier d lesser in number compare to 20mm but again these are detachable..

20mm is lighter yet has good fragmentation over head, Its fragments which are deadly and you can carry twice the numbers than of 40mm, though lack explosive power but has high rate of fire..
France has already determined the 20mm is is too small even with programmable fuzes. Is it more important to fire more rounds of ineffective munitions, or fewer effective rounds? You need at least 30mm to do most jobs.
 

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France has already determined the 20mm is is too small even with programmable fuzes. Is it more important to fire more rounds of ineffective munitions, or fewer effective rounds? You need at least 30mm to do most jobs.

Please post some video and pics of Felin system.
 

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India's futuristic soldier to be ready in three years‬ - Times Of India

KOLKATA: India is set to launch her first 'futuristic' infantry soldier after three more years. According to officials at the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), which is headquartered in Kolkata, many of the separate segments are ready and need to be integrated into one system. This will allow India to enter a select club of nations experimenting on a 'futuristic' soldier system. India's Future Infantry Soldier As a System (F-INSAS) programme is comparable to FELIN of France, IdZ of Germany, FIST of Britain and the Future Force Warrior of the US. Israel is also developing a similar system that will turn an infantry soldier into a complete system."A task force has been created with members from OFB, the Army, DRDO and other organizations. We have set a deadline and the first variant is likely to be launched in the next three years. We are preparing equipment that will allow a soldier to adapt to his surroundings, whether the hot desert terrain in Rajasthan or the freezing heights of Siachen. He will be armed with special weapons and communicate through satellite links. The visor of his helmet will allow him to get a clear view of the battlefield and see his adversaries, even beyond obstacles. His visor will also have normal and night-vision sights to allow him to use his weapon easily," said Sartaj Singh, member, ammunition and explosives, OFB.

According to sources, eight to 10 infantry battalions are likely to be equipped with the F-INSAS system by 2015. All infantrymen are set to be covered by this system by 2020. An interesting fact about this system is that the soldier would generate enough power while on the move to keep the gadgets fitted on his body running. Special sensors fitted to his boots will enable this. OFB is also in the process of developing a weapon with interchangeable barrels that would be capable of firing 5.56mm, 7.62mm and 6.8mm caliber ammunition.

The OFB, along with ARDE has also developed a carbine for the Army that is undergoing user evaluation at the moment. According to officials, this should be ready in the next one to one-and-a-half years. They are also very upbeat about the prospect of the 155/52 mm howitzer which is an upgraded version of the 155/45 mm Bofors. The new guns have been developed by eight ordnance factories and undergone six in-house trials. "The existing weapons system had a range of 27-29 km. The one we have developed has a range of 38-39 km and uses all kinds of ammunition that the Army uses now. We have also signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Russia to create a Joint Venture for the manufacture of SMERCH rockets. Russian experts visited our production units two weeks ago and things will now move fast," another official said.

OFB chairman H S Chaudhury said that his organization has orders of over Rs 50,000 crore in hand at the moment. OFB is exporting its products to countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Nepal, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Vietnam, Israel, Oman, Saudi Arabia and several European countries such as Germany, Greece, Russia and France. "The organization is also exploring avenues for long term partnerships for exports with some South East Asian countries," he said.
 

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DRDO multi-calibre guns undergoing trials: Vijay Kumar Saraswat

The guns were being developed by DRDO's lab at Aerial Delivery Research & Development Establishment Armament in Pune and they were "undergoing trials," he said after inaugurating 'DRDO Research and Innovation Centre,' its collaboration with Indian Institute of Technology-Madras (IIT-M).
To a query on the marketing arm of DRDO, he said, "We have already constituted its functionalities and the charter. It will have some parity with the Antrix. But it will have some differences also, because we have a very large user in terms of the armed forces, whereas Antrix has users who are civilians. So, there will be some differences."

He said that some of DRDO's commercial items were facing competition from the marketing efforts of multi national companies in the field.

"..the companies which got the technology from DRDO do not have the same amount of resources for marketing. So, now that is one big handicap for the product," he said.

Source : DRDO multi-calibre guns undergoing trials: Vijay Kumar Saraswat - Economic Times
 

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ARDE designs multiple-calibre rifle, begins prototyping

ARDE scientists are now in the process of preparing three prototypes of this weapon system and will be ready for user trials by August this year, ARDE sources said. The weapon will reduce the need for a soldier to carry different types of assault weapons.

In modern warfare, a soldier may have to engage the enemy from various ranges. There are three primary calibre assault rifles used. This includes the 5.56 mm AK-47 rifles, 7.62 mm Self Loading Rifle and 6.8 mm sub-machine gun having firing ranges up to 400 metres, 300 metres and 200-300 metres respectively.
Instead of using three different rifles, we are trying to give the soldier one common weapon system, which would be a modular assault rifle with changeable multiple calibre barrels. It will also have a grenade launcher," Director of Public Interface, DRDO New Delhi, Ravi Kumar Gupta told Sakal Times.
Source : ARDE designs multiple-calibre rifle, begins prototyping | Sakal Times
 

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WHAT happens when a young Indian engineer moves from the sweltering heat of Andhra Pradesh to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), in a state notorious for its -15°C winters? He feels very cold and has to wear multiple layers of clothing, which he then finds himself wanting to remove whenever he enters a warm classroom. Kranthi Vistakula, who found himself in just this situation, credits a dazed mind, as well as his professors at MIT, for his decision to invent an all-weather jacket designed to cope with extreme temperatures—from the heat of Mumbai to the chill of a Mount Everest base camp.

His first approach was to build a jacket with built-in heating and cooling systems. Packed with motorised fans, heating pipes and electric wiring, the resulting apparel was bulky and weighed 7 kilograms. "When I wore it to college, my friends joked that I was going to blow up the place," says Mr Vistakula. So he went back to the drawing board, and turned instead to a thermoelectric device called a Peltier plate, which operates like its better-known cousin, the thermocouple, but in reverse. A thermocouple consists of a junction between two different metals, which produces an electrical voltage related to the difference in temperature between them. Thermocouples are widely used as temperature sensors. A Peltier plate also consists of a junction between two metals, but forcing an electric current across the junction causes the metal on one side to heat up, and the metal on the other side to cool down. A Peltier plate can thus be used as a heat pump.

Mr Vistakula ended up incorporating multiple Peltier plates, built into lightweight plastic tiles, into a jacket. The tiles are powered by a rechargeable battery that is also incorporated into the garment. Depending on the direction of the current flow, the jacket can either pump heat from the interior to the exterior (providing a cooling effect in hot weather) or vice versa (warming the wearer). A proprietary coating on the outside of each Peltier cell helps accelerate the flow of heat. In 2007 Mr Vistakula returned to India to set up a company to refine his new invention, with support from a government incubator fund and the venture-capital arm of Reliance Group, an industrial giant. (Reliance has since sold its stake in the firm.)

The finished jacket weighs about 650 grams, can maintain internal temperatures of between 20 and 40°C and can operate in ambient temperatures between −50 and 50°C. It runs for about eight hours on a single charge. So far the Climaware jacket has been tested successfully by the Border Roads Association, part of the Indian Army. It tried out the jacket's heating function in environments including Khardungla, the world's highest road for motor vehicles, and the Siachin glacier, the world's highest battlefield, on the contested border with Pakistan. Other companies including Aspen Systems, Med-eng, Outlast and Foster-Miller offer similar products, in some cases using a chemical rather than an electrical approach to cooling and heating. Mr Vistakula says his technology, which he calls ClimaCon, is more easily recharged and results in lighter clothes.

ClimaCon is also being applied to other products by his company, Dhama Innovations, which is based in Hyderabad and employs 18 people. These include climate-controlled helmets, gloves, pain-relieving back and elbow wraps, car seats, shoes, and a cooling neck scarf for cricketers. "We can apply it anywhere," says Mr Vistakula. One young engineer warmed a cup of coffee using a pair of ClimaCon shoes, which led to the idea of using the technology to make coasters and hot-plates. Climaware products for medical use went on sale in April, and an online store selling to consumers will open shortly. Will the market warm to Mr Vistakula's invention? He will soon find out.

Climate-controlled clothing: Don't forget to recharge your jacket | The Economist

Will this technology be incorporated in the FINSAS program?
 

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Hope it does! DRDO has been looking at it for 3yrs now! There is also a version which will chemically clot spilled blood from wounds and reduce blood loss by applying thermoregulated compress.

Will this technology be incorporated in the FINSAS program?
 
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