F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[asianobserve]

You are ignoring the fact that F-15 RCS is 70X larger than a Rafale. Is the F-15 radar 70X better than an RBE2 AESA? Is the range of AMRAAM greater than Meteor? The bottom line is the Rafale will detect an F-15 long before it detects Rafale and with the extreme range and capability of Meteor, no F-15 stands a chance. Even antiquated MiG-21s can sneak up and pick them apart. Rafale would completely destroy them.

Who said its 70x larger. At most F-15s rcs is 25x that of Rafale. But thay's both in clean configuration.

 

[Armand2REP]

Who said its 70x larger. At most F-15s rcs is 25x that of Rafale. But thay's both in clean configuration.

The F-15 has a cross section of 25m^2. The RCS of a clean Rafale is 0.3m^2, adding some A2A missiles made of composites doesn't increase it much.

 

[asianobserve]

The F-15 has a cross section of 25m^2. The RCS of a clean Rafale is 0.3m^2, adding some A2A missiles made of composites doesn't increase it much.

Rafale has 1m^2 rcs. It's not designed as stealth.

 

[Armand2REP]

Rafale has 1m^2 rcs. It's not designed as stealth.

It is only that high with a full loadout of American made steel bombs, now that France is making our own bombs again with a stealthier design it will never be that high again.

 

[asianobserve]

It is only that high with a full loadout of American made steel bombs, now that France is making our own bombs again with a stealthier design it will never be that high again.

These are clean rcs numbers. They climb up when these planes are laden with EFTs, external sensors, bombs and missiles.

Boeing already has a design for an F-15 with internal wespons bays under the Silent Eagle program. But it will not make sense for the US since they have in production 5th gen fighter that has fully enclosed weapons load.

 

[vampyrbladez]

These are clean rcs numbers. They climb up when these planes are laden with EFTs, external sensors, bombs and missiles.

Boeing already has a design for an F-15 with internal wespons bays under the Silent Eagle program. But it will not make sense for the US since they have in production 5th gen fighter that has fully enclosed weapons load.

Rafale belongs to the 0.1 msq class.

https://books.google.co.in/books?id...kQAQ#v=onepage&q=rafale 0.1 class rcs&f=false

 

[asianobserve]

U.S. Air Force pilots fly F-35B aboard amphibious assault ship for the first time

https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-a...phibious-assault-ship-for-the-first-time.html

 

[Jameson Emoni]

U.S. Air Force pilots fly F-35B aboard amphibious assault ship for the first time

https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-a...phibious-assault-ship-for-the-first-time.html

Has US changed its mind about selling F-35s to India? Or is US still linking F-35 sales to S-400?

 

[asianobserve]

Has US changed its mind about selling F-35s to India? Or is US still linking F-35 sales to S-400?

As far as I know there is no formal offer yet from the US on selling F-35 to India. But it could be a way out of the S-400 empasse although India as far as I know has not requested for F-35.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Rafale belongs to the 0.1 msq class.

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https://books.google.co.in/books?id=YK4-DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=rafale+0.1+class+rcs&source=bl&ots=K_iFETZeqE&sig=ACfU3U2fVYQ7pQZyg9H2Ln9ATX-7gznaQA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj69pXM9svlAhU97XMBHYRSCS4Q6AEwC3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=rafale 0.1 class rcs&f=false

That's the clean RCS of Rafale . I am not sure how difference is in between RCS of F 4 and F 3 and if this is for F 3 / F4 both.

It will be above or equal to 1 when weaponised.

This is closer to Superhornet or typhoon RCS.

 

[vampyrbladez]

That's the clean RCS of Rafale . I am not sure how difference is in between RCS of F 4 and F 3 and if this is for F 3 / F4 both.

It will be above or equal to 1 when weaponised.

This is closer to Superhornet or typhoon RCS.

Rafale is 0.1 class not 0.1 in RCS.

When it comes to radar signature, whichever jet uses radar is going to be detected well beyond its own radar range and become a target; SPECTRA will give Rafale firing solution with 1* precision at 200 km. Rafale will have RCS of 0,75-1,10 m2 with 6 missiles, while AN/APG-81 has 160 km range vs 1 m2 target. Thus F-35 will detect Rafale at 149-164 km. Tracking (attack) range will be 119-131 km without jamming, or 22-25 km with jamming; 70-80 km is possible with EOTS. However, since SPECTRA can reduce Rafale’s RCS by factor of 1,5-3, F-35 will detect Rafale at 113-149 km; tracking range will be 90-149 km, with tracking range of 13-119 km. F-35 has RCS of 0,00143 m2 with 4 missiles, while RBE-2 PESA has 139 km range vs 5 m2 target. RBE-2 AESA (which entered service in 2012) has 208 km range vs 5 m2 target, or 278 km when cued by SPECTRA. Detection range will be 18 km for RBE-2 PESA and 27 km for RBE-2 AESA, with 36 km possible if RBE-2 AESA is cued by SPECTRA. This will give attack ranges of 14 km, 22 km or 29 km. Rafale’s OSF has range of 80 km vs subsonic head-on target at 20.000 ft. At 30.000 ft, range may be 80-90 km, which means that Rafale will be able to attack the F-35 from 65-70 km. That being said, ability of both to attack the opponent will be limited by missile effective range (15-100 km for Meteor, 9-36 km for AIM-120D, 4-16 km for MICA).

https://defenseissues.net/2015/09/11/dassault-rafale-vs-f-35/

 

[Flying Dagger]

Rafale is 0.1 class not 0.1 in RCS.



https://defenseissues.net/2015/09/11/dassault-rafale-vs-f-35/

So O.1 MSQ Class

What does 0.1 MSQ means and

What do you mean by class here ?

MSQ is metre square Read below it's for F4

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/just-how-stealthy-are-frances-rafales-f42s-66727

@BON PLAN what is clean RCS of Rafale and weaponised one inherent in its design itself with RAM coating.


https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

 

[vampyrbladez]

So O.1 MSQ Class

What does 0.1 MSQ means and

What do you mean by class here ?

MSQ is metre square Read below it's for F4

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/just-how-stealthy-are-frances-rafales-f42s-66727

@BON PLAN what is clean RCS of Rafale and weaponised one inherent in its design itself with RAM coating.


https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

That's an unsolicited figure. 0.1 Msq is a known figure of Rafale. Refer to my earlier post. 0.75 - 1.1 Msq is the loaded RCS for carrying a x6 MICA IR missile configuration.

 

[Flying Dagger]

That's an unsolicited figure. 0.1 Msq is a known figure of Rafale. Refer to my earlier post. 0.75 - 1.1 Msq is the loaded RCS for carrying a x6 MICA IR missile configuration.

Rafale is 0.1 class not 0.1 in RCS.

Rafale will have RCS of 0,75-1,10 m2 with 6 missile

https://defenseissues.net/2015/09/11/dassault-rafale-vs-f-35/

The article and your post says Rafale will have 10m2 RCS with 6 missiles .

What do you mean here ?

O.1 class and not 0.1 RCS ?

Rafale is 0.1 class not 0.1 in RCS.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The article and your post says Rafale will have 10m2 RCS with 6 missiles .

What do you mean here ?

O.1 class and not 0.1 RCS ?

Do read the article a little more closely. It says otherwise.

When it comes to radar signature, whichever jet uses radar is going to be detected well beyond its own radar range and become a target; SPECTRA will give Rafale firing solution with 1* precision at 200 km. Rafale will have RCS of 0,75-1,10 m2 with 6 missiles, while AN/APG-81 has 160 km range vs 1 m2 target. Thus F-35 will detect Rafale at 149-164 km. Tracking (attack) range will be 119-131 km without jamming, or 22-25 km with jamming; 70-80 km is possible with EOTS.

It means that RCS is not limited to 0.1 msq. Rather, it could be much lower.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Do read the article a little more closely. It says otherwise.

I have quoted the exact line from your post and in the article too. If you made a mistake there say it i can't go more closer than that.

It means that RCS is not limited to 0.1 msq. Rather, it could be much lower.

 

[Bhurki]

Rafale is far superior to the F-15X.

In what way do you think its better?

 

[vampyrbladez]

I have quoted the exact line from your post and in the article too. If you made a mistake there say it i can't go more closer than that.

You added an absurd figure of 10 msq. The comma in the figure denotes a decimal point aka 0.75 - 1.1 msq, written as 0,75 - 1,1 msq.



An absolute level of illiteracy on your part!

 

[asianobserve]

Rafale has 1m2 like SH. This figure is however in clean configuration. So you add in EFTs, weapons, senosors etc. then the RCS will inevitably increase.

To maintain SH's rcs, Boeing is peoposing poded weapons bay, which is not very practical.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

 

[Flying Dagger]

You added an absurd figure of 10 msq. The comma in the figure denotes a decimal point aka 0.75 - 1.1 msq, written as 0,75 - 1,1 msq.



An absolute level of illiteracy on your part!

An literate will see a comma as comma and decimal as decimal


The article itself have that error and you being a lazy ass didn't correct it either when you reproduced it here.