F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[vampyrbladez]

India has no requirement for F-15 class fighter since it already has MKI. But F-15X is the best 4.5 gen fighter out there now.

Not even by a close margin. MKI has a more powerful radar, super manoeuvrability, extreme range,high payload and is still cheaper. Once N035 IBRIS radar and AL 41F engines are installed, the MKI will be more powerful than even the Su 35BM.

 

[Armand2REP]

F-15X is the best 4.5 gen fighter out there now.

Rafale is far superior to the F-15X.

 

[asianobserve]

Not even by a close margin. MKI has a more powerful radar, super manoeuvrability, extreme range,high payload and is still cheaper. Once N035 IBRIS radar and AL 41F engines are installed, the MKI will be more powerful than even the Su 35BM.

If MKI cannot even counter PAF's F-16s what makes you think it can take on the newest F-15 version which is already production ready?

 

[vampyrbladez]

If MKI cannot even counter PAF's F-16s what makes you think it can take on the newest F-15 version which is already operational?

Paki ******s lost an F 16. Our MKIs used Israeli jammers to counter AMRAAMs.

The newest F 15X has nothing extraordinary than a SABR AESA radar. Our N011 BARS still has greater range and the N035 IBRIS will simply be overwhelming in comparison!

 

[asianobserve]

Paki ******s lost an F 16. Our MKIs used Israeli jammers to counter AMRAAMs.

The newest F 15X has nothing extraordinary than a SABR AESA radar. Our N011 BARS still has greater range and the N035 IBRIS will simply be overwhelming in comparison!

You can keep on claiming that a PAF F-16 was shot down but there is really no proof of it. Until there is concrete proof then it's just a claim. What is not disputed on the other hand is that the MKIs were forced to dodge AMRAAMs fired by PAF's F-16 putting these MKIs out of the fight.

Radar is not only about power output. In fact the more powerful your radar is the easier you get detected. Radar, especially older doppler and PESA are like lighthouses, the more powerful the light is the easier to spot. AESA radars on the other hand are not only powerful they are agile. AESA radar beams can be controlled to focus almost like a laser without much scattered signal. And AESA radar can hop frequencies to avoid getting pinpointed. It can at the same time passively operate. It's an altogether different animal.

The F-15x also sports newest electronic warfare suite and the highest computing power of any fighter. It can thus electronically attack, like F-22s and F-35s, its targets. Only Growlers can outmatch it in the electromagnetic attack field with the newest Growler EA pods.

Add to F-15Xs electronic power is raw engine power and the ability to carry up to 16 AMRAAMs! So a formation of 4 F-15Xs will have a combined 64 AMRAAMs! Now beat that!

 

[vampyrbladez]

You can keep on claiming that a PAF F-16 was shot down but there is really no proof of it. Until there is concrete proof then it's just a claim. What is not disputed on the other hand is that the MKIs were forced to dodge AMRAAMs fired by PAF's F-16 putting these MKIs out of the fight.

Radar is not only about power output. In fact the more powerful your radar is the easier you get detected. Radar, especially older doppler and PESA are like lighthouses, the more powerful the light is the easier to spot. AESA radars on the other hand are not only powerful they are agile. AESA radar beams can be controlled to focus almost like a laser without much scattered signal. And AESA radar can hop frequencies to avoid getting pinpointed. It can at the same time passively operate. It's an altogether different animal.

The F-15x also sports newest electronic warfare suite and the highest computing power of any fighter. It can thus electronically attack, like F-22s and F-35s, its targets. Only Growlers can outmatch it in the electromagnetic attack field with the newest Growler EA pods.

Add to F-15Xs electronic power is raw engine power and the ability to carry up to 16 AMRAAMs! So a formation of 4 F-15Xs will have a combined 64 AMRAAMs! Now beat that!

1. The Paki ******s did indeed lose an F 16 and there is adequate proof of that.

https://theprint.in/defence/8-piece...nandan-shot-down-a-pakistani-f-16/278752/amp/

AIM 120 C5 = 105 Km, R 77M = 80 Km. The MKIs were outranged. Recently bought extended range R 27E have 100 Km range and Astra has 100-110 Km. I am not even counting Meteor's 100-150 Km range!

2. That's why we also have the Rafale. We use the MKIs as a mini AWACS and then pin point using RBE-2 AA AESA radar. MKI radars when working together can tag targets at twice the maximum range as an F 15X.

3. We are getting SPECTRA EW as well. SPECTRA EW allowed for day 1 SEAD in Libya unlike USAF which needed to neutralize the targets using Tomahawks! The EW suite on the MKIs saved the day on 27th February, especially the Israeli jammer pods.

4. MKIs can carry 12 R77s / Astra / R27 each. 4 * 12 = 48 or using multiple ejector racks, 4 * 14 = 56. Not much difference there!

LOL! F 15X fanboys! :biggrin2:

 

[asianobserve]

1. The Paki ******s did indeed lose an F 16 and there is adequate proof of that.

https://theprint.in/defence/8-piece...nandan-shot-down-a-pakistani-f-16/278752/amp/

AIM 120 C5 = 105 Km, R 77M = 80 Km. The MKIs were outranged. Recently bought extended range R 27E have 100 Km range and Astra has 100-110 Km. I am not even counting Meteor's 100-150 Km range!

2. That's why we also have the Rafale. We use the MKIs as a mini AWACS and then pin point using RBE-2 AA AESA radar. MKI radars when working together can tag targets at twice the maximum range as an F 15X.

3. We are getting SPECTRA EW as well. SPECTRA EW allowed for day 1 SEAD in Libya unlike USAF which needed to neutralize the targets using Tomahawks! The EW suite on the MKIs saved the day on 27th February, especially the Israeli jammer pods.

4. MKIs can carry 12 R77s / Astra / R27 each. 4 * 12 = 48 or using multiple ejector racks, 4 * 14 = 56. Not much difference there!

LOL! F 15X fanboys! :biggrin2:

There you go the Lybian French experience again. Well, the French used a combination of Mirage 2000s and Rsfale to carry out the first day raid. But two important things must be remembered: 1) Lybian SA-8 detected and engsged this French package unfortunately for the Lybian the French planes were out of range (so where was the magical Spectra?); and 2. For the rest of the Lybian air campaign the French relied on US EW and surveillance assets, not to mention that by the 2nd day US and British Tomahawks (Scalp was not yet operational) and SEADs already decimated Gaddafis AD. So please stop this Lybian peddling.

 

[asianobserve]

Whoops! First F-35A Based In The Netherlands Got A Foam Bath By Mistake

Base firefighters were supposed to give the plane a water salute to mark the arrival of the first Joint Strike Fighter to be based in the country.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...in-the-netherlands-got-a-foam-bath-by-mistake

 

[asianobserve]

RAF F-35Bs continue to practice on board HMS QE

 

[vampyrbladez]

There you go the Lybian French experience again. Well, the French used a combination of Mirage 2000s and Rsfale to carry out the first day raid. But two important things must be remembered: 1) Lybian SA-8 detected and engsged this French package unfortunately for the Lybian the French planes were out of range (so where was the magical Spectra?); and 2. For the rest of the Lybian air campaign the French relied on US EW and surveillance assets, not to mention that by the 2nd day US and British Tomahawks (Scalp was not yet operational) and SEADs already decimated Gaddafis AD. So please stop this Lybian peddling.

Here you go.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/a...5860/rafale-in-combat:-“war-for-dummies”.html

 

[asianobserve]

Here you go.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/125860/rafale-in-combat:-“war-for-dummies”.html

This is a comprehensive and intensive research on the Lybian air war:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR676.html

 

[vampyrbladez]

This is a comprehensive and intensive research on the Lybian air war:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR676.html

That's the American experience. Obviously it will focus on EA 18 Growlers. You need a solution that encapsulates both a war fighter and a support unit and SPECTRA EW system on the Rafale provide that.

Even the F 35 series has an integrated function in this regard.

 

[asianobserve]

That's the American experience. Obviously it will focus on EA 18 Growlers. You need a solution that encapsulates both a war fighter and a support unit and SPECTRA EW system on the Rafale provide that.

Even the F 35 series has an integrated function in this regard.

The research is holistic. It includes the experience of all partivipating countries. The French experience was even based on French sources. You read page 193 of the article about the French experience.

Rafale with Mirage 2000s' only acted alone on the first day in Benghszi out of range of Lybian SA-8 SAM missiles. Yet this French strike package was identified ang targeyted by SA-8 radar. As I said the French were lucky since the missile was out of range.

From the 2nd day on Lybian AD systems were already decimated by American and British Tomahawks. And the French heavily relied in American refuelling tankers, SEAD, ISR and drones.

Then when the Americans pulled back to lead from behind and let the Europeans through NATO structure lead the ops the Lybian air war slowed down rapidly.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Rafale is far superior to the F-15X.

How many of them will be built in India?

 

[asianobserve]

Rafale is far superior to the F-15X.

I don't think so. F-15X is vastly upgraded with the best AESA radar in the industry. It has also the highest computing power of any fighter to allow it to effectively run its processes especially radar and EW.

But then again, the biggest fzctors in aerial warfare will be the whole battle system, pilot skills and luck.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The research is holistic. It includes the experience of all partivipating countries. The French experience was even based on French sources. You read page 193 of the article about the French experience.

Rafale with Mirage 2000s' only acted alone on the first day in Benghszi out of range of Lybian SA-8 SAM missiles. Yet this French strike package was identified ang targeyted by SA-8 radar. As I said the French were lucky since the missile was out of range.

From the 2nd day on Lybian AD systems were already decimated by American and British Tomahawks. And the French heavily relied in American refuelling tankers, SEAD, ISR and drones.

Then when the Americans pulled back to lead from behind and let the Europeans through NATO structure lead the ops the Lybian air war slowed down rapidly.

SEAD is done using aerial EW assets. F 35s can be used in this role. The Rafale is the only 4.5 Gen aircraft that provides this capability.

 

[asianobserve]

SEAD is done using aerial EW assets. F 35s can be used in this role. The Rafale is the only 4.5 Gen aircraft that provides this capability.

The French over Lybia were dependent on US assets for SEAD. American SEAD were being conducted by Growlers and F-16s.

 

[Armand2REP]

I don't think so. F-15X is vastly upgraded with the best AESA radar in the industry. It has also the highest computing power of any fighter to allow it to effectively run its processes especially radar and EW.

But then again, the biggest fzctors in aerial warfare will be the whole battle system, pilot skills and luck.

It has a good AESA but it is still an F-15. The RCS on it is huge, Rafale will detect it long before it picks up a Rafale. With Meteor it is first, second even third shot before an F-15 could respond. By that time it is dead. F-15 is a brute force aircraft, it doesn't rely on low observability but the sheer firepower a flight of them carries. Rafale would pick them off like a sniper.

 

[vampyrbladez]

I don't think so. F-15X is vastly upgraded with the best AESA radar in the industry. It has also the highest computing power of any fighter to allow it to effectively run its processes especially radar and EW.

But then again, the biggest fzctors in aerial warfare will be the whole battle system, pilot skills and luck.

MDPU on the Rafale has equal to or better performance given that is 50 times greater than the 2084 XRI unit setupo the Mirage 2000-5.

https://docplayer.fr/amp/15042260-D...-its-military-and-civil-ima-applications.html

The core of these enhanced capabilities of the RAFALE lies in a “Modular Data Processing Unit” (MDPU) incorporating “commercial off the shelf” (COTS) elements. It is composed of up to 19 flight “line-replaceable units” (LRUs), with 18 of them individually providing 50 times the processing power of a typical mission computer employed in previous generation fighters.

https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/rafale/the-sheer-power-of-multisensor-data-fusion/

In 2003, for the production of the Rafale F2 standard, each module MDPU Rafale was composed of a PowerPC 740 running at 200MHz, and accompanied by 64MB of memory. In 2006, the modules have an embedded PowerPC 750 running at 733Mhz with 256MB of memory.

Thus 18 * 733MHz = 13.5 GHz (F2/F3)

The F4 variant will have newer processors to be delivered by 2025.

https://www.defense.gouv.fr › ...PDF le bourget 2019 - Ministère des Armées

 

[vampyrbladez]

The French over Lybia were dependent on US assets for SEAD. American SEAD were being conducted by Growlers and F-16s.

Growlers can do EW. F 16 can't even hold a candle to the Rafale!