F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[vampyrbladez]

Once again, nothing impressive. A skilled pilot , even Swiss, can't change tha fact the plane is heavy, slow banking and rolling.

Seems like an Su 30 without TVC engines to me. Basically look at an F 18 SH demo and see this one! Makes more sense!

 

[BON PLAN]

Seems like an Su 30 without TVC engines to me. Basically look at an F 18 SH demo and see this one! Makes more sense!

Except the pedal turn, a useless maneuver in combat, nothing impressive. As SH18, which is beaten in WVR by every euro canard.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Except the pedal turn, a useless maneuver in combat, nothing impressive. As SH18, which is beaten in WVR by every euro canard.

F 35A = F 16 TWR + F 18SH slow maneuverability. Treat it like an Su 30.

F 35B = Harrier + F 18SH

F 35C = F18SH + F111N (Fighter Bomber)

 

[BON PLAN]

F 35A = F 16 TWR + F 18SH slow maneuverability. Treat it like an Su 30.

F 35B = Harrier + F 18SH

F 35C = F18SH + F111N (Fighter Bomber)

It's what LM want us to think.
Reality is different.
Why do you think US Navy, Marine corp and USAF are reducing their orders to take some more so called "gen 4 " planes for the 2020 budget ?

 

[vampyrbladez]

It's what LM want us to think.
Reality is different.
Why do you think US Navy, Marine corp and USAF are reducing their orders to take some more so called "gen 4 " planes for the 2020 budget ?

Mainly because Trump is pro Boeing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-and-donald-trump-run-deep-1476745-2019-03-13

Also giving 1 company (Lockheed Martin) a virtual (actual) monopoly on 5th generation fighters (F 35) is a very stupid idea. You lose all leverage and negotiation ability. These two factors are influencing the buys.

Friend , I am both pro F 35 and pro Rafale. Rafale would kick the snot out of F 15X but in the future Su 57 will be bought by India.

 

[Armand2REP]

Mainly because Trump is pro Boeing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...-and-donald-trump-run-deep-1476745-2019-03-13

Also giving 1 company (Lockheed Martin) a virtual (actual) monopoly on 5th generation fighters (F 35) is a very stupid idea. You lose all leverage and negotiation ability. These two factors are influencing the buys.

Friend , I am both pro F 35 and pro Rafale. Rafale would kick the snot out of F 15X but in the future Su 57 will be bought by India.

The US is bankrupting itself with its loose defence spending. They will not be able to maintain competition among its own producers which is why they are consolidating specialisation.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The US is bankrupting itself with its loose defence spending. They will not be able to maintain competition among its own producers which is why they are consolidating specialisation.

Having one company have a total monopoly is sure shot way to bankruptcy. Competition keeps everyone on their toes and reduces prices long term. Specialisation is different from monopoly BTW.

E.g : Northrop Grumman with flying wing design style aircraft.

 

[asianobserve]

Air Force To Turn Navy Air Defense Busting Missile Into High-Speed Critical Strike Weapon

The “Stand In Attack Weapon (SiAW) system will provide strike capability to defeat rapidly relocatable targets that create the Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) environment,” the Air Force’s latest budget request explains. “The target environment includes Theater Ballistic Missile Launchers, Land Attack and Anti-Ship Cruise Missile Launchers, GPS Jammers, Anti-Satellite Systems, and Integrated Air Defense Systems.”

The SiAW will feature a different warhead and fuze, of unspecified types, which the Navy began working on in the 2019 Fiscal Year. The Navy already has a requirement for the AARGM-ER to fit inside the weapon bays of its F-35C, so the new variant just needs to retain a similar dimensional profile for the F-35A to carry it internally.

The AARGM-ER is derived from the AGM-88EAdvanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM), the latest variant of the already proven High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM), which is already much more than just an air defense-busting radar-homing missile. This missile has multi-mode guidance capability that includes a GPS-assisted inertial navigation system and a millimeter wave radar seeker.

This allow the missiles to hit targets that have stopped emitting radio signals to home in on, or may never have been emitting in the first place, or simply hit a specific location. The missile also has a two-way data link so the launching aircraft, or another source, can feed it new target information in flight. The AARGM-ER will have this exact same guidance package and the Air Force's budget documents make no mention of the S

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...issile-into-high-speed-critical-strike-weapon

 

[asianobserve]

Having one company have a total monopoly is sure shot way to bankruptcy. Competition keeps everyone on their toes and reduces prices long term. Specialisation is different from monopoly BTW.

E.g : Northrop Grumman with flying wing design style aircraft.

Besides, Lockheed Martin is only the lead contractor in F-35. This is deceptive since LM subcontracts various F-35 works to a lot of US companies like Northrop, BAE, Boeing, Raytheon, and foreign companies.

Besides, the F-35 is not the only US defense project, you have jet trainer which Boeing won as prime contractor, etc.

 

[BON PLAN]

Besides, Lockheed Martin is only the lead contractor in F-35. This is deceptive since LM subcontracts various F-35 works to a lot of US companies like Northrop, BAE, Boeing, Raytheon, and foreign companies.

Besides, the F-35 is not the only US defense project, you have jet trainer which Boeing won as prime contractor, etc.

The risk is to see Boeing losing its skill in fighter design, as Grumman and so one before it.
LM won the last 2 fighters competition...
But it's a US problem.

 

[asianobserve]

The risk is to see Boeing losing its skill in fighter design, as Grumman and so one before it.
LM won the last 2 fighters competition...
But it's a US problem.

I don't think you should disqualify a company from participating in future big defense projects because it won previous defense projects. To me it's clear that LM's YF-22 was the better over-all fighter against Northrop Grumman's YF-23. Then LM's X-35 was better than Boeing's X-32. I mean just look at the pictures of X-32, it looks fugly!

Besides, Boeing has a lot of other defense contracts from satellites, rockets, autonomous submarines, jet trainers, helicopters, and not to mention Boeing very healthy commercial aviation division. SO Boeing will be fine. Even Northrop Grumman is fine.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The US is bankrupting itself with its loose defence spending. They will not be able to maintain competition among its own producers which is why they are consolidating specialisation.

Diversification reduces cost and allows more competition. That's why you have tenders.

 

[Bleh]

F 35A = F 16 TWR + F 18SH slow maneuverability. Treat it like an Su 30.

F 35B = Harrier + F 18SH

F 35C = F18SH + F111N (Fighter Bomber)

Seems like an Su 30 without TVC engines to me. Basically look at an F 18 SH demo and see this one! Makes more sense!

Hardly... Just watch both videos one after another.
IMO there's no comparison on maneuverability!

If a Rafale manages to jam/evade the BVRs & get into WVR, I'm tempted to say that F-35 would be fucked.

 

[asianobserve]

If a Rafale manages to jam/evade the BVRs & get into WVR, I'm tempted to say that F-35 would be fucked.

WVR is always a toss-up. F-22 got shot down by SH in simulated combat, Rafale by F-4, and so on. That's why the best air forces will avoid WVR fight at all cost.

But in case of a WVR fight (which is not going to happen) F-35's excellent nose pointing ability + 360degree visual + AIM9x will murder Rafale.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Hardly... Just watch both videos one after another.
IMO there's no comparison on maneuverability!

If a Rafale manages to jam/evade the BVRs & get into WVR, I'm tempted to say that F-35 would be fucked.

I compared F 35 with Su 30 without TVC. It has better acceleration and slow handling capacity than a F 18SH.

 

[vampyrbladez]

WVR is always a toss-up. F-22 got shot down by SH in simulated combat, Rafale by F-4, and so on. That's why the best air forces will avoid WVR fight at all cost. TRUE

But in case of a WVR fight (which is not going to happen) F-35's excellent nose pointing ability + 360 degree visual + AIM9x will murder Rafale. FALSE

When you are slow maneuvering, you bleed energy. Planes like Rafale and even F 22 rely on very low wing loading and high thrust to weight ratio to turn circles around their enemies. You lock on during a plane's slow phase, you hear the tone and then you fire. All in a split second!

F 35 has no TVC to move like the SM, MKI, Su 35BM, Su 57, etc for the kill fast enough but compensates using the F 35 HMDS BLK III with the DAS.

 

[Armand2REP]

Diversification reduces cost and allows more competition. That's why you have tenders.

It reduces cost for the buyer, it certainly doesn't assist the profit margin of the seller. The companies competing in these bids must invest millions to billions in R&D to compete against each other. For the company that does not specialise in it is therefor unprofitable and not worth submitting a bid.

 

[Bleh]

It has better acceleration and slow handling capacity than a F 18SH.

But in case of a WVR fight (which is not going to happen) F-35's excellent nose pointing ability + 360degree visual + AIM9x will murder Rafale.

From the footages i checked out, it doesn't look like F-35's turning ability is anywhere close to Rafale's.

Maybe they're trying to get high-speed STR of F-16 & slow speed turn rate of SH-18 in one machine...
Atleast to me that's what it looks like.

 

[StealthFlanker]

Except the pedal turn, a useless maneuver in combat, nothing impressive. As SH18, which is beaten in WVR by every euro canard.

That what you like to think, but reality is different, if post-stall maneuver was completely useless, they wouldn't have developed it.
As for your example of F-18 SH beaten in WVR exercise: it always good to remember Rafale was beaten by F-4, Eurofighter was beaten by F-16, and F-22 was beaten by T-38. As a matter of fact, in WVR, anyone can defeat anyone

 

[StealthFlanker]

From the footages i checked out, it doesn't look like F-35's turning ability is anywhere close to Rafale's.

That is your feeling talking, if you actually measure the time they can complete a turn from the video, you will see that their turn rate isn't really that different. Certainly nowhere enough for one of them to achieve certain kill against the other in close combat, especially with the improvement of HOBS missiles

In your video from 0:40-0:47, Rafale turn 180 degrees =>average to 25.7 degrees/second

From 0:47-0:57, Rafale turn 180 degrees => average to 18 degrees/second

F-35 completed horizontal 180 degrees turn between 2:46-2:53 average out to 25.7 degrees/second

If a Rafale manages to jam/evade the BVRs & get into WVR, I'm tempted to say that F-35 would be fucked.

In WVR, F-35 still have a unique advantage that Rafale doesn't have.
For example: F-35 will have DIRCM, which mean it can nullify IIR missiles whereas Rafale will have to try to evade them because flares are pretty much useless against IIR missiles