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ALIS .....


2013: "They're just teething problems. We'll have ALIS up and running normally in a just few years...";

https://www.pogo.org/investigation/...or-combat-not-even-ready-for-combat-training/


2014: "These problems are temporary, and to be expected in any aircraft this new. ALIS will be working soon...";

https://breakingdefense.com/2014/02/f-35s-alis-way-behind-bogdan-says-one-step-forward-last-week/


2015: "All new systems have their hiccups. Very shortly, ALIS will put the doubters to bed...";

https://www.pogo.org/analysis/2015/12/f-35-officials-prove-need-for-cyber-testing-by-cancelling-one/


2016: "Just give it a bit more money and time, and ALIS will be right as rain in a year or two...";

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2016/04/27/could-connectivity-failure-ground-f-35-it-s-complicated/


2017: "ALIS is getting better day by day. It'll soon be ready for deployment...";

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...rtoon-just-to-explain-f-35s-alis?iid=sr-link6


2018: "We are winning the development effort, and all the bugs in ALIS will be fixed before you know it...";

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2018/3/8/f-35-logistics-system-faces-challenges


2019: "The ALIS system is slowly becoming a huge success. We need to keep the money spigot opened just a little bit longer...";

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htwin/articles/20190220.aspx


Key piece of F-35 logistics system unusable by US Air Force students, instructor pilots

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...e-by-us-air-force-students-instructor-pilots/

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Explain the engine hood covering then? Plying propaganda on behalf of Pakis as Chinks won't do you any good.


Fact is a MiG 21BiS took down a PAF F 16.

Lockheed, kiss the MMRCA 2.0 goodbye! :bounce:
See this is the exact kind of confirmatory bias i was talking about, both Paki and Indi people are too eager to save face that they don't even spend a minute to research:
For your question:
Let zoom up the wreckage first:


secondly, the engine in that picture that they claimed the wreckage belong to is: F-110 GE129
This is the close up of such engine: Frankly not even remotely close to the wreckage





Furthermore, Paki F-16 don't have GE engine, they all use F-100 PW 220 and/or F-100 PW229. In other words, they use Pratt & Whitney engine instead of General Electric engine, and the pattern on PW simply can't be mistaken with the wreckage, because they have diamond patterns




Still not convinced?
Look at this wreck of Yugoslav Mig-21, you can clearly see the same pattern at 0:15

and no, iam not plying propaganda on behalf of anyone, i simply want people to spend at least 2 minutes to research before eat up anything they saw on twitter. That goes for both Paki and Indian.
 
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See this is the exact kind of confirmatory bias i was talking about, both Paki and Indi people are too eager to save face that they don't even spend a minute to research:
For your question:
Let zoom up the wreckage first:


secondly, the engine in that picture that they claimed the wreckage belong to is: F-110 GE129
This is the close up of such engine: Frankly not even remotely close to the wreckage





Furthermore, Paki F-16 don't have GE engine, they all use F-100 PW 220 and/or F-100 PW229. In other words, they use Pratt & Whitney engine instead of General Electric engine, and the pattern on PW simply can't be mistaken with the wreckage, because they have diamond patterns




Still not convinced?
Look at this wreck of Yugoslav Mig-21, you can clearly see the same pattern at 0:15

and no, iam not plying propaganda on behalf of anyone, i simply want people to spend at least 2 minutes to research before eat up anything they saw on twitter. That goes for both Paki and Indian.
The MiG 21 burnt piece in the museum doesn't match with the debris seen in the ANI picture.

Pakistan does use F 16 BLK 20 MLUs which have GE engine as they are second hand and older. The plane used was a two seater as this was a strike mission not CAP. Hence the B/D model.
 

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That's definitely not part of the GE engine. That's the inner portion of a thin aircraft fuselage skin, most likely from a Mig-21 when compared with previous Mig-21 wrecks. The bigger vertical supports attached to it are called "formers" while the smaller horizontal support are called "stringers." See the following illustration of fuselage parts:



If it's a casing of the GE engine then it should be thicker than what appears on the photo. Besides, in a GE 129 engine the external horizontal and vertical support frames are uniform in thickness and height, and clearly are part of the whole casing as opposed to being merely revited or wielded to it.

 
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But this discussion should not be here in the F-35 thread (I'm compelled to add to Stealthflanker's post though)To those who want to reply to my last post please do so in the proper thread.
 

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The MiG 21 burnt piece in the museum doesn't match with the debris seen in the ANI picture.
Really? Are you sure? Do you want me to screenshot the video and point out the exact part that look exactly like the wreck?
vampyrbladez said:
Pakistan does use F 16 BLK 20 MLUs which have GE engine as they are second hand and older. The plane used was a two seater as this was a strike mission not CAP. Hence the B/D model.
No They don't
And F-16 block 20 MLU are not equipped with GE engine, the first F-16 with GE engine is F-16 block 30 and they require redesigned ( larger) inlet because GE require larger airflow
 

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USAF Acquisition Head Urges Radical Shift For Next-Gen Fighter Program
Mar 5, 2019Steve Trimble | Aviation Week & Space Technology

A specific new U.S. Air Force fighter designed and equipped to defeat theorized threats in the decades beyond 2030 is the popular vision for the final product of the Next-Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program. As presented by the aerospace industry’s concept artists, the so-called sixth-generation fighter for the U.S. Air Force is often shown as a step beyond the Lockheed Martin F-22: a futuristic, tailless, super-dogfighter.

But that vision of NGAD may never come into existence.

A new concept for the project emerged from the Air Force’s top acquisition official at the Air Warfare Symposium on Feb. 28, and it calls for a radical break from conventional aircraft development programs.

Cost imposition becomes new requirements driver

Post-2030 uncertainty clouds prospects for single solution

Rather than spend the next decade developing a singular new air combat platform, the NGAD program may be shaped to establish a pipeline for acquiring, developing and fielding a host of new aircraft types, with a new design entering service perhaps as quickly as every two years. Instead of pinning all hopes on a single model, the alternative, if it works, would allow Air Force leaders to hedge against the risk of technology breakthroughs and to surprise enemies with unexpected new capabilities.

The new vision comes from a rare, extended monolog on the NGAD program’s future by Will Roper, an Oxford-trained string theory physicist who now is assistant Air Force secretary for acquisition, technology and logistics.

Although Pentagon and Air Force planners have been thoroughly analyzing requirements for future air dominance technology since 2015, Roper says the NGAD program is not ready to move beyond the realm of internal studies and into the acquisition phase. Despite a two-year study by the Air Superiority 2030 Enterprise Capability Collaboration Team (ECCT), followed by an extended, two-year Analysis of Alternatives, Roper still is not satisfied that the Air Force has settled on the right strategy.

“I have a strong opinion that we need to not have it devolve into a traditional program,” Roper told reporters at the Air Force Association-sponsored symposium.

The acquisition process that Roper inherited starts with a highly detailed analysis of the operating environment, which, in the case of NGAD, is set to begin at least a decade into the future. The military’s operational planners then craft an intricate set of requirements for a future weapon system based on those analytical conclusions. But Roper calls that process “naive.”



The Air Force’s acquisition chief wants to steer the Next-Generation Air Dominance program away from a traditional approach, such as Boeing’s concept for a tailless supersonic fighter. Credit: Boeing



“I think we have to accept that we cannot predict the 2030 threat,” he says. “That is the way the Cold War acquisition system works. It predicts the threat, then designs systems that beat them.”

The future presents too many variables to distill a set of coherent requirements from such uncertainty into a single aircraft design, he says. But the answer to that future problem, Roper believes, might be drawn from the Air Force’s past.

“Think back to the original Air Force, during the ‘century series’ of fighters,” Roper says. This reference to the string of second-generation, supersonic jet fighters introduced during the 1950s—the F-100, F-101, F-102, F-104 and F-105—recalls an age of continuous experimentation and innovation, albeit with a generation of combat aircraft boasting far less sophistication than, for example, a modern Lockheed Martin F-22 or F-35. Despite those differences in complexity, Roper considers the famed century series as a model for the NGAD program to emulate.

“Can you imagine how disruptive it would be if we could create a new airplane or a new satellite every 3-4 years? Every two years?” Roper asks. “And you might do that not because you need it. It might be because you want to impose cost. You want to knock your opponent off their game plan.”

Cost imposition is a favorite topic for Roper, who came to the Air Force only a year ago. In the span of a decade, he has made the leap from academia to the highest ranks of the military bureaucracy. He started working directly with the military in 2010 as the acting chief architect for the Missile Defense Agency. Another trained physicist, then-Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, appointed Roper to become the first director of the Strategic Capabilities Office (SCO) in 2012, a post he held for five years.

“It was a big theme for me at SCO—cost imposition,” he says. “Show something to make your adversary think something different. Make them spend money. We used to have a 10-to-1 rubric. I’m going to spend $1 and force my opponent to spend $10. We need to start doing that in the Air Force. And next-generation air dominance may be just as much about imposing cost as it is about defeating [the enemy].”

The concept of breaking the military’s 20-year acquisition development cycle for advanced new weapons, such as fighter aircraft, is not necessarily original. But alternative approaches have a mixed record. The failure of the Army’s ambitiously sweeping Future Combat Systems program a decade ago serves as a frequently cited cautionary tale. The prospect of fielding a diverse and unpredictable fleet of combat aircraft also appears to present daunting logistical and sustainment challenges.

Roper acknowledges those concerns but also offers possible solutions.

The model for this potential vision of NGAD is not unlike the Missile Defense Agency’s highly integrated systems architecture, he says. As that agency’s acting chief architect for two years, Roper created a model he thinks is relevant to Air Force programs, such as NGAD and the Advanced Battle Management System. “That’s the inspiration. It worked,” Roper says.

In the example of missile defense, the system is composed of a sensor, an interceptor missile and a kill vehicle.

“All of them have to work together to kill the missile, [but] they’re all run by different programs,” Roper says. “So how do you buy a kill chain? Well, you start by working the radar. You tell them, work as hard as you can, do as good as you can. You tell the same to [those developing] the interceptor and the kill vehicle. But as they start working with industry, reality happens. Things are harder than you expect. And you are constantly trading the performance you are seeing with the mission[requirements]. And as someone does better than expected, you can let someone do worse than expected.”

The issue of sustainment costs for a diverse fleet of combat aircraft cannot be solved simply by imposing a new management system, but there are other options. Digital design tools may allow a diverse fleet of aircraft to share enough similarities that the sustainment cost is roughly comparable with that for a common fleet, he says. If that sounds like speculation, Roper concedes the point.

“I can’t prove to you that that’s true, but when we look at what digital engineering is doing for some of our programs, it might be true,” says Roper, without elaborating. “And because it might be true, we need to rethink our future not as a program, but as a pipeline of development with the ability to go into small production—or not.”

But it is also clear that this vision of NGAD is only one side of a raging debate within the Air Force. Using perhaps a rhetorical device to criticize the alternatives subtly, Roper names two alternate approaches, then offers a reason why each could be unsuccessful.

“Is the right way to go to make it a bunch of high-tech prototypes?” he asks. “So you push a lot of racehorses forward and hope one gets over the goal line, but you can’t afford to go into production on any of them. Or is it to take a bet on the best option? There’s only so much money in that program, so we cannot make it everything that we want.”

The F-35A achieved initial operational capability in 2016, 15 years after contract award. The Air Force now has less than 11 years to produce an NGAD capability against increasingly sophisticated threats. The urgency is real. In a 2017 essay published by the military affairs blog “War on the Rocks,” then-Brig. Gen. Alex Grynkewich, who had led the ECCT study on air superiority after 2030, described an environment in the relatively near future when the F-22 and F-35 would be unable to perform their roles inside defended airspace. Although a successor is needed, Roper insists on not rushing a decision.

“There are real choices to make about that program, and my comfort level will be based on how well the portfolio allows us to hedge for an uncertain future,” Roper said. “And hedging means not just defeating that uncertain future. It also means being able to impose cost and force others trying to shape the future, just like we are to force them to react to us.”
 

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As usual it's always the politicians who have the tendency to dislike F-35 while professional military men always yearn for an F-35 fleet....

Italy Air Force chief attacks F-35 ‘uncertainty’ in Rome
Gen. Alberto Rosso told Italy’s parliament on Tuesday that he felt “strongly concerned about the uncertainty” affecting the F-35 program in Italy “and the eventual hypothesis of a drop in numbers” or orders.

Any alternative to the F-35 would certainly be older, outdated, less efficient and more expensive aircraft,” he told a joint session of the Lower House and Senate defence committees.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/...force-chief-attacks-f-35-uncertainty-in-rome/
 

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...4-upgrade-quadruples-but-may-not-suffice.html

Cost of F-35 Block 4 Upgrade Quadruples But May Not Suffice

$16 billion may not be enough

Some observers, however, believe the $16 billion estimate may actually understate the cost of developing, procuring and implementing the C2D2 program.

This opinion is based on the fact that the Joint Program Office (JPO) has arbitrarily announced that the F-35 System Development and the Development (SDD) test phase will be over -- and thus unfunded -- by end-June of this year.

As a consequence, all the future money required to fix and flight-test the many remaining SDD deficiencies (plus many more that will invariably appear) will now have to be paid for by the C2D2 annual budgets.

Now, the JPO estimate of $10.8 billion for all C2D2 development work through FY24, but “that money has to cover both the overhanging mountain of deficiency fixes and the development of a wish list of new, hugely ambitious, gold-plated ‘modernization’ capabilities to be added to the still problem-ridden, relatively ‘simple’ Block 3F capabilities,” notes a knowledgeable industry insider.

The total SDD bill, up to the incomplete development of Block 3F and the arbitrary end of SDD, is $55.5 billion (in then-year $).

This means that the JPO is implying that a mere 20% add-on (Winter’s $11 billion) to the prior development bill will pay for:
a) completing and flight testing Block 3F,
b) fixing and flight testing 1000+ known and serious SDD deficiencies,
c) fixing and flight testing the myriad undiscovered deficiencies sure to emerge during the much more rigorous IOT&E tests starting next year, and
d) developing and flight testing the whole wish list of Block 4 "modernization" capabilities.

This appears impossible, and is one reason that the 2017 DOT&E Annual Report assessed the current C2D2 plan as "unexecutable".

The sums are even more improbable for procurement of C2D2, which is estimated by Winter to cost $5 billion for buying and retrofitting the C2D2/Block 4 capabilities for all 998 F-35s projected to be in the fleet as of 2024.

:pound: 2024.
18 years after first pre serial flight.... And 2024 is a very optimistic figure, as F35 program was never on time.
 

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http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/March 2019/Dunford-New-F-15-Buy-for-Air-Force-Fills-F-35-Capacity-and-Capability-Shortfall.aspx

The Pentagon’s decision to add new F-15EXs to its budget request for the Air Force, a move not requested by the service itself, was based on a lack of capability and capacity of the current fleet and the presumptive cheaper cost of the Eagles

The F-15EX initially would only be “slightly” cheaper to buy than a new F-35, it will be more than 50 percent cheaper than the Joint Strike Fighter to operate over its life. Additionally, it has “twice as many hours” in terms of how long it lasts.
 

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http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/March 2019/Dunford-New-F-15-Buy-for-Air-Force-Fills-F-35-Capacity-and-Capability-Shortfall.aspx

The Pentagon’s decision to add new F-15EXs to its budget request for the Air Force, a move not requested by the service itself, was based on a lack of capability and capacity of the current fleet and the presumptive cheaper cost of the Eagles

The F-15EX initially would only be “slightly” cheaper to buy than a new F-35, it will be more than 50 percent cheaper than the Joint Strike Fighter to operate over its life. Additionally, it has “twice as many hours” in terms of how long it lasts.

Buying new F-15X fighters for the US Air Force is unsolicited and unwise
https://www.defensenews.com/opinion...r-the-us-air-force-is-unsolicited-and-unwise/
 

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A look at USAF's new F-35 demo maneuvers


Imagine this jet in the hands of a highly skilled Swiss Air Force demo pilot...
Once again, nothing impressive. A skilled pilot , even Swiss, can't change tha fact the plane is heavy, slow banking and rolling.
 

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It is clear that the 2020 exercise confirms that the Pentagon is taking steps to find other solutions for modernizing the various air components:

- The Air Force reduces its orders by 8 F-35 and buys 8 F-15EX instead;

- The US Navy only buys five F-35Cs but 24 F-18 Super Hornets.

- The Marine Corps removes a dozen F-35B from its budget.
 

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