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Parrikar's statements cannot be relied upon. He had said that the Rafale deal would be closed by June. But that hasn't happened. Last heard he has asked MOD officials to stop the process of withdrawal of RFP for the Blackshark torpedo, which he himself had announced that we would not buy. Even if a fighter is selected in 2016 wonder when the actual contract would be signed.
We will sign It have patience my friend. ..............
these rafale will come in franch lobbyist dreams.
We are good with or without 36 rafales....... just 2 squadrons can not make difference in any war when you are a big Country like india. Rafale deal lost its significance when it is reduced to just 36. Now think of future 36 rafale is just a piece of history they come good they don't come better. Our future is bright.
 

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The deal to buy the Rafale was announced by none other than the Prime Minister of India in front of the world media in Paris. Can we seriously think of cancelling it ? Who would take us seriously then in this world ?
 

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The deal to buy the Rafale was announced by none other than the Prime Minister of India in front of the world media in Paris. Can we seriously think of cancelling it ? Who would take us seriously then in this world ?
Who is cancelling ?
Indian Govt has every right to negotiate in it's own self interest. Average sales cycle of Private Adhoc turnkey project worth around 10 crores is 2-3 years in india, we are talking about more than 50000 crores here..

So relax, let the big boys do their job.
 

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The deal to buy the Rafale was announced by none other than the Prime Minister of India in front of the world media in Paris. Can we seriously think of cancelling it ? Who would take us seriously then in this world ?
Yes we can not cancel the deal.
but we can negotiate it until france cancel it or we get a good and cheap deal.
It is in interest of india to reduce the number from 126 to 36.
it is in interest of india to negotiate and reduce the price of deal
 

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F-16 or F-18 Aircraft: Making an End-Run to Nowhere
The Indian Economist / 3 days ago


By Bharat Karnad

This is passing strange, but why did the Lockheed Martin chief Marillyn Hewson meet Finance Minister Arun Jaitley recently this month and why did she come away sounding optimistic? As all important decisions by the BJP government are taken by Modi personally, Jaitley could have been instructed by the PM to not disappoint Hewson and otherwise string Washington along. Or, a more radical conclusion could be that Modi lost confidence in his defence minister Manohar Parrikar enough to now designate Jaitley, the interface with the US defence industry representatives regarding: the purchase of either of the US combat aircraft, should PMO eventually approve it.

So, at a pinch, is Jaitley still Modi’s Raksha Mantri of choice?

The intervention by the Americans at this late stage in the MMRCA procurement game with a couple of aircraft that were first to be discarded by the MMRCA acquisition committee, followed by the Russian MiG-35 and Swedish Gripen in that order, leaving the ultimate choice to be made between the EADS Typhoon Eurofighter and the French Rafale, doesn’t make sense for another reason. HAL chairman Suvarna Raju has stated that if the F-16/F-18 buy is to fill the void in 2021 when all the MiG-21s would have been phased out, as Parrikar has declared, then the answer, Raju said, lies in increasing the production capacity of the very fine and indigenous Tejas LCA in his DPSU. While Raju’s loyalty to the public sector company he runs is laudable, HAL’s work culture is such that even if the jigs and tools are installed, HAL will not be able to produce Tejas in great numbers to meet the timeline. This is the reason why I have advocated that ADA (Aeronautical Development Agency) transfer the complete LCA ‘know why’ information, data and technology to L&T and Tata so a production competition is initiated between them, with HAL left—if it is to be given some work at all for old times sake—to potter around and produce 3/4 aircraft a year if that.



While Raju’s loyalty to the public sector company he runs is laudable, HAL’s work culture is such that even if the jigs and tools are installed, HAL will not be able to produce Tejas in great numbers to meet the timeline.
But given the absence of quality control, it will mean the instant junking of the HAL-manufactured planes. (This is what comes from the government first appointing a has-been DRDO head, Atre, to recommend ways of firing up Modi’s ‘Make in India’ programme, and then taking his report, which suggests sticking with DPSUs as the the country’s defence industrial cutting edge, and leaving these useless, sarkari-owned outfits to choose their private sector partners, seriously. But then Atre methinks knew that his preferences were right up Modi’s street—after all no recent PM has been so enamoured of bureaucrats running government businesses, usually into the ground. There’s a 65 year track record of this.)

The question is how come the US companies—Lockheed and Boeing are so confident? Because between the US Defence Secretary Ash Carter and “buy American” promoters, especially Ashley Tellis of Carnegie Washington who, it is said, can get an appointment with Modi with just 24 hours notice—no matter how busy Modi is or how full his schedule, the PM is in an influence trap. Carter, of course has the weight of the US govt behind him. But it is Tellis, who has Modi’s ears, and can get the PM to even launch his book in Delhi without too much advance notice, who may turn out to be decisive. He is said to have persuaded the PM that by going in for the manufacture in the country of the advanced F/A-18E/F Super Hornet or F-16IN Block 60 version, India will be doing itself a great favour.

He reportedly pointed out to Modi that, far from obsolete, a souped up variant of the F-18 that the US Navy has plonked for because it is unhappy with the navalised F-35 Lightning-II, is what will be made available to India. It is another matter—and this bit neither Carter nor Tellis is likely to have communicated to Modi—that for the US Navy this fallback option is a very short-term bridging solution until the carrier-bound F-35 is cleared for Initial Operational Capability; for the IAF, however, it will be stuck with an already nearly 50-year old aircraft for the next four decades by the end of which it will have an almost 100 year old aircraft in its order of battle.


Prospects of a US aircraft in IAF livery are not bright. | Photo Courtesy: Visual Hunt

Except, by 2025 no matter how advanced the F-18 platform, it will be a sitting duck for almost any agile fifth generation aircraft and new generation SAMs. If Modi is happy to make anything in India, even a creaky old fighter plane, in support of his policy then one can expect more outmoded technology to find its way to the Indian factory floor, producing stuff you can’t get rid off for love or money. May be IAF chief Raha should be asked how he feels about risking the lives of his pilots in such antique planes in the robotic wars of tomorrow.

So, the prospects of a US aircraft in IAF livery are, by any correct metric, not bright. Or, at least one hopes that’s the case.

In all this, Parrikar is left up a creek. He was wisely for the combo of the Su-30MKI and the Tejas as the bulk force, but has had to leave the door ajar for the French item. The question is whether the PMO should throw all financial prudence to the winds and insist on having a small complement of the Rafale in IAF to conform to Modi’s thoughtless promise made in Paris in April 2015 to buy 36 of this aircraft off the shelf. In that case, India’s treasury goose is truly cooked. With the Lockheed/Boeing also elbowing in to swill at the Indian trough, the cause of India’s national security seems to be the last thing on the BJP government’s mind. Then again, who in South and North Blocks thinks about the national interest?

Bharat Karnad is a senior fellow in National Security Studies at the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi. He was Member of the (1st) National Security Advisory Board and the Nuclear Doctrine-drafting Group, and author, among other books of, ‘Nuclear Weapons and Indian Security: The Realist Foundations of Strategy’, ‘India’s Nuclear Policy’ and most recently, ‘Why India is Not a Great Power (Yet)’.

This article was originally published on Bharat Karnad’s blog.

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Yes we can not cancel the deal.
but we can negotiate it until france cancel it or we get a good and cheap deal.
It is in interest of india to reduce the number from 126 to 36.
it is in interest of india to negotiate and reduce the price of deal
The best, and last, offer is already on the table for monthS.
Dassault, to the contrary of Nexter for exemple, has NEVER made a deal loosing money (Nexter lost a lot of money selling Leclerc MBT to UAE). The bargaining is over. The Rafale team cow is milked.

Now the ball in in the Indian camp. It's why no more DA staff is in India.
 

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Its better to dump rafale deal go for F-18 Advanced Super Hornet with 8 billion dollars we can purchase upto 80 to 90 f-18 advanced super hornet instead of 36 rafales for 8 billion dollars.
 

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Saab, Boeing and Lockheed Martin competing hard to bag MMRCA - 2.

With the Indian Air Force's active squadron numbers dipping in alarming levels the Indian government is expected to be in the look-out for a capable aircraft to replace the aging MiG-21 aircraft.

The operational void is being witnessed after India scrapped the initial MMRCA tender floated in 25. Had the tender been fortified with Dassault the air force would have operated 126 Rafael MMRCA aircraft.

Manohar Parrikar indicated early this year that a new hunt for an aircraft for the IAF had began and would conclude by the year-end. The minister at successive stages has failed mentioning Dassault is even in the race.

Experts feel the race is all down to ‪#‎Boeing‬ pitched ‪#‎F18‬ Super ‪#‎Hornet‬and the ‪#‎Saab‬ fielded ‪#‎Gripen‬ aircraft.
https://www.facebook.com/IADnews/
 

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Why F-18 Is A Great Choice For India ? - Indian Air Force
 
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The Boeing Advanced Super Hornet prototype with the shell CFT and enclosed weapons pod during aerodynamic testing.

A Stealthier variant of the existing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet aimed at increasing performance while reducing the radar cross-section of the aircraft.

Aerodynamically configured conformal fuel tanks are engineered to carry up to 3,500 pounds of fuel, Boeing officials said. The conformal fuel tank and external weapons pod are engineered to help make the aircraft able to fly further with more weapons — without increasing signature or drag for the airplane

The external weapons pod, as opposed to using pylons for weapon, could lead to greater use of air-to-air missiles as well as air-to-ground bombs. The enclosed, external aerodynamically engineered weapons pod is built to carry up to 2,500-pounds of weapons.

The Super Hornet is configured to fire AIM-9X sidewinder air-to-air missile, the AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM, the Joint Standoff Weapon, the Small Diameter Bomb and the Mk-84 general purpose bomb, among others.

Additional aspects of the Advanced Super Hornet innovations include improvements to the engine designed to increase acceleration for the aircraft and next-generation cockpit technology.

It has a proposed large 11 by 19 [inch] cockpit display surface which is high resolution, multi-color and touch sensitive so that it works like an ipad.

Active Electronically Scanned Array, or AESA, radar, “jamming” decoys and an integrated electronic countermeasures system. The countermeasures system consists of three main components; they include and on-board jammer, visually cued radar warning receiver and a decoy are also included in the ASH concept.
https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/photos?ref=page_internal
 

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INDIA plans to buy new F 18 IN

Source’s close to Defense ministry confirms that India plans to produce the American F 18 in India with TATA as the indigenous supplier. The proposed sale will be discussed and to be drafted in the upcoming visit of US DOD Chief to India. US major Lockheed proposed the F 16 IN to India, due to the single engine and the Lockheed’s relationship with Pakistan forced the IAF keep out Lockheed’s offer.

On the other side Boeing has made good relationship with India, recent signatures of AH 64 and CH 47, and Boeing’s MoU with TATA also good example for that. F 18 IN is the advanced variant of F 18 E/F version, IN version has larger Indian sub components, also allows to carry Indian and Israeli made weapons.

There is no information about how many numbers of F 18 could be produced in India, however there is no delays in the new procurement like earlier, The new DDP allows faster negotiations and contract agreements. Also there is no details mentioned in the earlier signe MoU of 36 Rafale acquisition program with France.
Many feasible options in the F 18, F 18 engines can be used in desi Tejas and the upcoming AMCA. the need of F414 engine numbers may cross over 3000 for the next twenty years, and GE already signed a contract with an Indian company to produce those engines in India,

F 18 also certified to be operated from aircraft carriers, which can be used in upcoming IAC 2 carrier, as one more the F 18’s master piece variant EA 18 G also a good choice for dedicated jamming. the air force’s long time dream of operating dedicated special squadron after retiring the MiG25

F 18 E/F one of the newest bird in the US Navy and air force based on the legendary F 18 hornet. which was introduced in the USAF in 2000. as of now Royal Australian force is the only export customer who use both E/F and G version of F 18.

The F 18 can be used in multiple missions, same like Rafale. the F 18 carry more variety of ammunition and more number of weapons than the Rafale. whose range is quite lower than the Rafale when comes to comparison. The new F 18 also comes with advanced modern AESA radar AN/APG 79 made by Raytheon.

The IN version comes with eleven hard points which allows the aircraft to carry more number of air to air, air to ground and air to ship munitions, Modern missiles like AIM 120 D, JDAM and Harpoon also can be used from the Indian Hornet
The Hornet’s are costs less than the Rafale in all aspects, which include weapons and acquisitions. However Rafale leads in less operating and maintenance cost. As like other US fighter jets, The F 18 too have modern avionics, electronic warfare and jamming suites. which include towed decoy’s.

Buying both F 18 and Rafale makes the IAF once again in the logistics nightmare, maintaining both Rafale and F 18 is so hard since Pilots need to be trained in different platforms and also there is no option of interoperability. Less number of Pilots in the IAF also a issue operating both Rafale and F 18. ammo nightmare is also a problem. since F 18 can be support Indian and Israeli weapons, but not the french one. Especially on the air to air missiles.

It’s the IAF who can send a formal proposal for the eligible aircraft, However it’s the ministry who decide which one need to be bought
Source: DefenceUpdate.in
https://www.facebook.com/Defence360/posts/1627452087546869:0
 
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since F 18 can be support Indian and Israeli weapons, but not the french one. Especially on the air to air missiles.
What's that ?
No indian weapon is integrated yet on SH18.
Dassault agree to integrate Astra (and probably Astra 2 ) as part of the deal.
 

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With the US establishment hopeful that an American fighter will be selected, American aerospace major Boeing Company concluded a follow-on order for four more P8I aircraft and sources indicated the overall requirement is much more.

Both Boeing and Lockheed Martin have put in offers of ‘Make in India’ of their fighter jets with the Department of Defense taking active interest, which is also unprecedented. The inconclusive MMRCA competition seems to have brought all the original competitors back to India’s doorstep this time with ‘Make in India’ propositions.

During an earlier visit of the US defense secretary to India, when the two countries sealed their renewed, expanded 10-year defence framework that included the Defense Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI), Carter stated that no one should be fooled by the small size of the initial “pathfinder” projects.

“We are working… but we have big ambitions. Jet engines, aircraft carrier technology are big projects that we’re working very hard on. And some of the projects that we’re launching just now are, in part, intended to blaze a trail for things to come. The projects were selected based on feedback from the US and Indian defence industries. The other thing to keep in mind is that the whole point is to make these industrially and economically successful projects.
http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...may-clear-logistics-pact-predator-buy/348152/
 

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