Exciting Times for Chinese Aircraft Engines!

[Kumata]

And despite tall clmains about C919 et all, CCP refused to show cockpit to famous airline blogger who reluctantly posted a positive review... LOL

CCP is good at staging shows for sure ... but one cud see glimpse of 60;s era toggle switch,s in that plane

Thank God the blogger survived to tell the tale

 

[Kumata]

Airliner History: Shanghai Y-10

With the Shanghai Y-10, China hoped to show the world...

www.key.aero

As per author , a poor attempt to copy Boeing 707 .. Hans were always good copiers....

between Just one frame flew with handful of officials for testing before it was dumped... so much for hundred of passengers...

The first airframe never flew. It remained grounded to be used in further static trials, including 1,400 hours of wind tunnel tests. Th e second Y-10, registered B-0002, was finished and submitted for flight testing in 1980. Its maiden flight took place on 26 September 1980, in the hands of Capt Wang Jinda. This aircraft went on to perform a tour of China, with a cohort of officials on board to assess its flying characteristics, handling and passenger comfort

 

[Kumata]

The Y-10 toured China flying from one city to the next carrying passengers.

It never carried any passengers... was never approved for passenger service.. just handful of officials involved in testing...

Good attempt though...

 

[SexyChineseLady]

And despite tall clmains about C919 et all, CCP refused to show cockpit to famous airline blogger who reluctantly posted a positive review... LOL

CCP is good at staging shows for sure ... but one cud see glimpse of 60;s era toggle switch,s in that plane

Thank God the blogger survived to tell the tale

Can you send me a link of a blogger flying an Indian made airliner for comparison?

 

[Kumata]

Can you send me a link of a blogger flying an Indian made airliner for comparison?

there is none. We never claimed unlike superior Hans..

U see we do not believe in stealing others work ...but still we license produced so many components for Boeing / Airbus ....ultimately, we will build one day but that would be a proud indigenous product with no crying that it flew just 1 sortie and died with no trace ...

 

[SexyChineseLady]

there is none. We never claimed unlike superior Hans..

So is that why you are so negative? So even if we just point out that there was a Y-10 project, it becomes "Oh you big superior Hans telling us about your big super duper projects!" to you?

A passenger on a flight in is anyone on the aircraft who flew from point A to point B.

There were dozens of people on some flights.

Even if there were 2 then on 130 flights it would have been 260 passengers.

The Y-10 carried hundreds of passengers safely during its project

 

[Kumata]

So is that why you are so negative? So even if we just point out that there was a Y-10 project, it becomes "Oh you big superior Hans telling us about your big super duper projects!" to you?
A passenger on a flight in is anyone on the aircraft who flew from point A to point B.
There were dozens of people on some flights.
Even if there were 2 then on 130 flights it would have been 260 passengers.
The Y-10 carried hundreds of passengers safely during its project

Who is negative.. since when putting facts becomes negative..... earlier you said they were hundred now u r down to dozens....

U see, we think it is better to be a laggard than caught stealing from others to show urself as superior...western validation mybitch... whats what u r after in 2022 always trying to prove that u r superior ... u don,t become superior by stealing ..

 

[Kumata]

Even if there were 2 then on 130 flights it would have been 260 passengers.

The Y-10 carried hundreds of passengers safely during its project

Only One prototype flew and no body knows how many people were there on those test flights...U can peddle a lie thousand times, it will still remain a LIE ...

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Who is negative.. since when putting facts becomes negative..... earlier you said they were hundred now u r down to dozens....

U see, we think it is better to be a laggard than caught stealing from others to show urself as superior...western validation mybitch... whats what u r after in 2022 always trying to prove that u r superior ... u don,t become superior by stealing ..

Saying someone steal is easy to do because anyone can say anything.

But building something is very hard because it takes an entire industry with hundreds of lines to build a plane like the Y-10, ARJ-21, Y-20 and C919 and it fly even once

Most countries outside the P5 have never gotten a Y-10 sized aircraft into the air for one second. The Y-10 flew for 130 times in the 1980s

Anyways, the ARJ-21 had carried 1.6 million people by 2020. The C919 has flown and the CR929 is coming.

Let me know when the first Y-10 sized (150 passenger) plane from India, Mexico or any non- Western nation fly even for a minute and I will celebrate with you. I don't like seeing the world under a Western monopoly.

 

[Kumata]

Saying someone steal is easy to do because anyone can say anything.

But building something is very hard because it takes an entire industry with hundreds of lines to build a plane like the Y-10, ARJ-21, Y-20 and C919 and it fly even once

Most countries outside the P5 have never gotten a Y-10 sized aircraft into the air for one second. The Y-10 flew for 130 times in the 1980s

Anyways, the ARJ-21 had carried 1.6 million people by 2020. The C919 has flown and the CR929 is coming.

Let me know when the first Y-10 sized (150 passenger) plane from India, Mexico or any non- Western nation fly even for a minute and I will celebrate with you. I don't like seeing the world under a Western monopoly.

I told u my bitch... For us , there is no need to invent the wheel... it is already there...we don,t have any inferiority complex per se that we go out to prove ourselves....we don,t steal and feel proud of that .... we are true to ourselves... we work within our limitations and proudly claim whatever small or big we achieve.... unlike hans who are busy sticking their tongue out for every feet of white man out there on streets & as the oppurtunity comes, they steal the same and claim it as having made it...

Fact remains that ARJ & C derivatives are poor discarded soviet designs ... cockpits have soviet toggle switches all over.... U can keep gloating on your stealing skills though....

 

[MiG-29SMT]

The ARJ-21 is thriving today despite weaker specs because it is supported by the government. Airbus would never have taken off against Boeing if the EU didn't subsidize it.

In the 1970s, China had the Y-10 and the WS-8 turbofan. Both were cancelled when the Chinese government went into cooperation with the West (like what this Mexican is saying.)

The Y-10 flew 130(!!!) flights with 170 hours of flying time with Pratt and Whitney interim engines while waiting for the WS-8.

It carried hundreds of passengers Beijing, Harbin, Urumqi, Zhengzhou, Hefei, Guangzhou, Kunming, Lhasa and Chengdubefore its retirement in 1984.

It was by all accounts a successful project especially at that point in time and the WS-8 was progressing.

Then everything stopped. Why? Shanghai Aircraft Manufacturing which made the Y-10 was told by the Chinese government that they will go western joint venture full bore and that started with the McDonnell Douglas plant at Shanghai Aircraft and the CAAC which ordered planes for China's airlines was told to cooperate with Boeing (and later Airbus.)

The Joint Venture period in the 1980s was of course fruitful because it gave China not only the MD-80 plant in Shanghai (which form the basis for the ARJ-21) but it also gave China's its first western military turbofan in the RR Spey which was licensed produced in China as the WS-9 for the JH-7. (Better deal than the F404 for LCA!) China later got an Airbus assembly plant in Tianjin and a Boeing plant in Zhousan. So China knows exactly the advantages of cooperation.

But the dark side of it was that it destroyed local initiatives. It also put your most critical projects at the whims of foreign governments.

If the Y-10 and WS-8 had continued, the indigenous commercial scene would have progressed far earlier. The Y-10 had 130 flights with passengers! The WS-8 was China's first commercial turbofan. Anyone today would see that they should have continued.

China found out in the 1990s with the satellite embargo and the stopping of Projects like Peace Pearl (upgrade of J-8) and Super 7 (J-7 replacement) that you can't depend on foreign nations for critical industries like aerospace.

The ARJ-21, the C919 and the CJ1000 programs today are to rectify the damage done through the cancellation of the Y-10 and WS-8.

Indians here know exactly what I am talking despite what the weirdo Mexican says.

Otherwise, why bother with the LCA why not just be part of Eurofighter or F-35 project or simply buy Rafales and F-16s? Because there is geopolitics. India was not asked to be part of those projects even though it is a democracy.

The Y-10:
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Let us see history

Y-10 big Failure, not operational.

Example Japan,

Rolls-Royce has agreed to work with IHI Corporation to develop and deliver a future fighter engine demonstrator.
The engine demonstrator programme will be a critical step forward in enabling the two nations to develop their future fighter aircraft requirements, potentially securing hundreds of future jobs in the UK and Japan.
Work on the joint engine demonstrator will kickstart early next year, with the UK investing an initial £30 million in planning, digital designs and innovative manufacturing developments.

Rolls-Royce to develop joint future fighter engine demonstrator with IHI

Rolls-Royce to develop joint future fighter engine demonstrator with IHI

www.rolls-royce.com

Yes If India develops an alliance and proves not to be a Thief that rebrands Su-27 as J-11, Rolls Royce will make it a partner or is China going to Help India?

As a leading player in the global engine industry, MTU holds major stakes in a whole host of widebody engine programs. Airlines bet on the CF6, for instance, to power their Airbus A330s or Boeing 767s, the GEnx for their Boeing Dreamliners and new Boeing 747-8s, the GP7000 for their A380s, and the PW4000 Growth for certain Boeing 777 variants.

Widebody Jets - MTU Aero Engines

www.mtu.de

tell me who is going to buy WS-20, Russia? no they Have PD-14, Europe, No I do not think so

With its stake in the V2500, MTU participates in one of the most successful engine programs ever in aviation history. More than 5,000 of the propulsion systems, which power the Airbus A319, A320 and A321 and the Boeing/McDonnell Douglas MD-90, have been delivered to date.

The next-generation engine – GTFTM Engine Family – has all it takes to replicate this success story: It powers a number of new short- to medium-haul aircraft and regional jets, being the sole engine choice on some of the aircraft. Further programs in this market segment in which MTU has stakes are the PW300, the JT8D-200, and the PW2000, as well as the PW6000 powering the A318.

Narrowbody and Regional jets - MTU Aero Engines

MTU is involved in numerous successful engine programs for narrowbody and regional jets.

www.mtu.de

Seems like Germany has more and more advanced engines

What about Frisa the tiny company from Mexico according to our Chinese propagandist?


In an industry where precision is key, we provide top forging solutions for demanding applications. At FRISA, we work closely with the top Original Equipment Manufacturers of jet engines in the world and have a vast experience providing seamless rolled rings for essential components in this field.
APPLICATIONS

Jet Engines
Engines are the driving force of any aircraft. We offer specific forgings for essential components in aerospace turbines. To name a few: fan cases, compressor cases, HPT cases, combustion cases, LPT cases, spools, among others.

Aerostructures
Safety when flying should never be compromised. We deliver high-performance forgings for airframes. To name a few: exhaust ring, inlet rings, nozzlez and cascades.

Space
The conquest of space exploration is more competitive than ever, with manufacturers wanting to fly longer and farther. We have the expertise to help you improve performance and efficiency with our top-notch forgings and alloys. To name a few: seed flange, chamber jacket, nozzle jacket, and semi closed die bonnettes.

Rotorcraft
Helicopters have unique requirements such as high torque effect, vibration, and stability. We continue to meet and exceed those demands with out wide offer of forged products that prevent fatigue and maintain high hardness.

Military
We understand the importance of reliable and durable forged parts in the defense industry. That is why we are committed to working closely with our customers to deliver outstanding service in essential applications.
MATERIALS
Some of the various types of materials used for production include: alloy steels, stainless steels, aluminum alloys, nickel alloys, cobalt alloys, and titanium alloys. Common superalloy grades include: Alloy 718, Alloy 718 Plus, Waspaloy, Alloy 242, Alloy C263 and Alloy 783, to name a few. Common Titanium Grades include: Ti 6-4 and Ti 6-2-4-2.


Renowned for our customer partnership and excellent service, we can meet any challenge in product application and material needs.

Aerospace Forgings | FRISA

FRISA offers aerospace forgings for essential components of aircraft engines. Request a quote today!

www.frisa.com

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Let us see history

Y-10 big Failure, not operational.

* Deleted garbage about non-existent Mexican engines.

Of course, if you never attempted a 150-passenger aircraft, you would never fail

But anyways, the point of the Y-10 saga was it was given up for "cooperation" like you said. China gave up on a big plane that successfully flew 130 times and carried hundreds of passengers in a tour across China. Because it did believe in cooperation with the West.

China still ended up having to build the ARJ-21 and C919 because "cooperation" is never consistent because geopolitics is never consistent.

Sorry that the ARJ-21 and C919 is creating so much negativity in people!

But how do you "copy" an airplane like the ARJ-21? Is there a big giant copier machine out there that will simply print out a plane for you?

No, I'm afraid. It takes an industry with hundreds of firms creating thousands of parts to create a plane like the ARJ-21 which, btw, is just exported!

https://simpleflying.com/transnusa-first-international-comac-arj21/amp/

COMAC to deliver the first ARJ21 to a foreign airline

Indonesia-based TransNusa is set to take delivery of the first ARJ21 from the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC), making it the first overseas ope

www.aviacionline.com

 

[KurtisBrian]

Aerospace is a business, there is big risks when aircraft built in fact are high and the worst sometimes they are economically a failure.

On a truly business endeavor, is not the technology what matters but also the sales.

You say you are an engineer yet your comment shows you thinking like a merchant (in Star Trek a Ferengi). Profit. I am not Merchant caste nor Science/Engineer caste. I am made to view things differently and thus concerned about other things.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Of course, if you never attempted a 150-passenger aircraft, you would never fail

But anyways, the point of the Y-10 saga was it was given up for "cooperation" like you said. China gave up on a big plane that successfully flew 130 times and carried hundreds of passengers in a tour across China. China still ended up having to build the ARJ-21 and C919 because "cooperation" is never consistent because geopolitics is never consistent.

Sorry that the ARJ-21 and C919 is creating so much negativity in people!

But how do you "copy" an airplane like the ARJ-21? Is there a big giant copier machine out there that will simply print out a plane for you?

No, I'm afraid. It takes an industry with hundreds of firms creating thousands of parts to create a plane the ARJ-21 which, btw, is just exported!

China's homegrown jet seeks to spread its wings in Indonesia

Without standard certificate, ARJ21 struggles to be adopted by overseas carriers

asia.nikkei.com

You are a bit ignorant

A Lascurain from 1940, see blended fuselage and wing

Lascurain Aura 1957

We always have our designs you got a B707 and copied, pretty much the only thing you do is copy, but since you copied without help you failed, Mexican we also copied but in our mind we are more original, you know why? your ideograms make people good copiers

 

[SexyChineseLady]

You are a bit ignorant

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A Lascurain from 1940, see blended fuselage and wing

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Lascurain Aura 1957
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We always have our designs you got a B707 and copied, pretty much the only thing you do is copy, but since you copied without help you failed, Mexican we also copied but in our mind we are more oginal, you know why? your ideograms make people good copiers

Yes, those Mexican pictures from the 1950's are 150 passenger liners like the Y-10. What a weirdo

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Yes, those Mexican pictures from the 1950's are 150 passenger liners like the Y-10. What a weirdo

or weirdo the only thing you say to pretend you are right, we have our own designs, not copy and fail you failed and it is obvious why, your Y-10 was unsafe but economically inefficient, is easy to see.

Our Lascurain Sport was an original design not copied and Failure, plus it had blended wing and fuselage even before American designs, what it shows Aviation is good economies and good policies not that we are less, we have made a tiny aircraft that for 80 liters of gas takes you 1200km your fighters can not even have good range even with jets

 

[MiG-29SMT]

You say you are an engineer yet your comment shows you thinking like a merchant (in Star Trek a Ferengi). Profit. I am not Merchant caste nor Science/Engineer caste. I am made to view things differently and thus concerned about other things.

any engineer takes economy classes

 

[ym888]

Let us see history

Y-10 big Failure, not operational.

Example Japan,

Rolls-Royce has agreed to work with IHI Corporation to develop and deliver a future fighter engine demonstrator.
The engine demonstrator programme will be a critical step forward in enabling the two nations to develop their future fighter aircraft requirements, potentially securing hundreds of future jobs in the UK and Japan.
Work on the joint engine demonstrator will kickstart early next year, with the UK investing an initial £30 million in planning, digital designs and innovative manufacturing developments.

Rolls-Royce to develop joint future fighter engine demonstrator with IHI

Rolls-Royce to develop joint future fighter engine demonstrator with IHI

www.rolls-royce.com

Yes If India develops an alliance and proves not to be a Thief that rebrands Su-27 as J-11, Rolls Royce will make it a partner or is China going to Help India?

As a leading player in the global engine industry, MTU holds major stakes in a whole host of widebody engine programs. Airlines bet on the CF6, for instance, to power their Airbus A330s or Boeing 767s, the GEnx for their Boeing Dreamliners and new Boeing 747-8s, the GP7000 for their A380s, and the PW4000 Growth for certain Boeing 777 variants.

Widebody Jets - MTU Aero Engines

www.mtu.de

tell me who is going to buy WS-20, Russia? no they Have PD-14, Europe, No I do not think so

With its stake in the V2500, MTU participates in one of the most successful engine programs ever in aviation history. More than 5,000 of the propulsion systems, which power the Airbus A319, A320 and A321 and the Boeing/McDonnell Douglas MD-90, have been delivered to date.

The next-generation engine – GTFTM Engine Family – has all it takes to replicate this success story: It powers a number of new short- to medium-haul aircraft and regional jets, being the sole engine choice on some of the aircraft. Further programs in this market segment in which MTU has stakes are the PW300, the JT8D-200, and the PW2000, as well as the PW6000 powering the A318.

Narrowbody and Regional jets - MTU Aero Engines

MTU is involved in numerous successful engine programs for narrowbody and regional jets.

www.mtu.de

Seems like Germany has more and more advanced engines

What about Frisa the tiny company from Mexico according to our Chinese propagandist?


In an industry where precision is key, we provide top forging solutions for demanding applications. At FRISA, we work closely with the top Original Equipment Manufacturers of jet engines in the world and have a vast experience providing seamless rolled rings for essential components in this field.
APPLICATIONS

Jet Engines
Engines are the driving force of any aircraft. We offer specific forgings for essential components in aerospace turbines. To name a few: fan cases, compressor cases, HPT cases, combustion cases, LPT cases, spools, among others.

Aerostructures
Safety when flying should never be compromised. We deliver high-performance forgings for airframes. To name a few: exhaust ring, inlet rings, nozzlez and cascades.

Space
The conquest of space exploration is more competitive than ever, with manufacturers wanting to fly longer and farther. We have the expertise to help you improve performance and efficiency with our top-notch forgings and alloys. To name a few: seed flange, chamber jacket, nozzle jacket, and semi closed die bonnettes.

Rotorcraft
Helicopters have unique requirements such as high torque effect, vibration, and stability. We continue to meet and exceed those demands with out wide offer of forged products that prevent fatigue and maintain high hardness.

Military
We understand the importance of reliable and durable forged parts in the defense industry. That is why we are committed to working closely with our customers to deliver outstanding service in essential applications.
MATERIALS
Some of the various types of materials used for production include: alloy steels, stainless steels, aluminum alloys, nickel alloys, cobalt alloys, and titanium alloys. Common superalloy grades include: Alloy 718, Alloy 718 Plus, Waspaloy, Alloy 242, Alloy C263 and Alloy 783, to name a few. Common Titanium Grades include: Ti 6-4 and Ti 6-2-4-2.


Renowned for our customer partnership and excellent service, we can meet any challenge in product application and material needs.

Aerospace Forgings | FRISA

FRISA offers aerospace forgings for essential components of aircraft engines. Request a quote today!

www.frisa.com

I congratulate my Mexican friends on their achievement even though they are not at a very high level of industrial technology. Maybe you are doing better than the Indians.

Let me introduce to you:
80,000-ton die forging hydraulic press ， the first in the world

The giant completed the forging of the outer cylinder of the main landing gear of a super long distance passenger plane abroad, and I estimate it is Airbus. (Due to limited processing capacity, the titanium components used in the landing gear of Europe's Airbus A380 jumbo jet still need to be sent to Russia's 75,000 ton die forging machine for machining.)

 

[SexyChineseLady]

or weirdo the only thing you say to pretend you are right, we have our own designs, not copy and fail you failed and it is obvious why, your Y-10 was unsafe but economically inefficient, is easy to see.

View attachment 137359

Our Lascurain Sport was an original design not copied and Failure, plus it had blended wing and fuselage even before American designs, what it shows Aviation is good economies and good policies not that we are less, we have made a tiny aircraft that for 80 liters of gas takes you 1200km your fighters can not even have good range even with jets

So it is a BS machine sports machine and you are trying to compare it with an airliner project. What a weirdo

China sold hundreds of these with the American Garrett engine when "cooperation" was good:

Please show me a picture of a Mexican plane that sold anywhere. Mexico being so close friends like you said with US must have had an engine given to them to make sales easy!

 

[ym888]

80,000-ton die forging hydraulic press

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