Exciting Times for Chinese Aircraft Engines!

[KurtisBrian]

Sales....sales of passenger jet liners in China (not counting China's growing number of allies) over the next 19 years is estimated to be 8700 jets.

Also not counting the HUGE military upgrade and expansion to protect against threats.

China has more people than Europe and the USA combined.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

With the new engines and disputes, guess many more of those airliners will be of Chinese origins.
Chinese company gains are direct losses for Boeing and Airbus.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Sales....sales of passenger jet liners in China (not counting China's growing number of allies) over the next 19 years is estimated to be 8700 jets.

Also not counting the HUGE military upgrade and expansion to protect against threats.

China has more people than Europe and the USA combined.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

With the new engines and disputes, guess many more of those airliners will be of Chinese origins.
Chinese company gains are direct losses for Boeing and Airbus.

Pure fantasy, for the Chinese to compete with Boeing they need something more than market.

Let me elaborate.

Alliances, what do we mean by that?

Aernnova is a Spanish company building aero components, in few words they build fuselage parts for both Boeing or Airbus.

Embraer sells its Portuguese facilities to Aernnova

Embraer and Aernnova have concluded the sale of the metallurgy and composites industrial units located in the Évora Aeronautical Industrial Park, in Portugal.

www.aviacionline.com

So it means they benefit if Embraer also tells them to build some aero components, since Aernnova has facilities in Spain, Mexico, Portugal and British investors, you get benefits regardless what manufacturer, since they build for Airbus, Boeing or Embraer, the British benefit, the Portuguese, Spanish and Mexican too.

So why Frisa benefits regardless who sells, simple Pratt and Whitney, MTU, RR buy them parts, so you get benefits for a Mexican company so there is common interest for Airbus or Boeing to Grow.

What about Embraer? Embraer builds some parts of its airplanes but uses other companies for suppliers outside Brazil, there is final assembly in Brazil but some one in the USA, Mexico or Europe benefits.

So Brazil helps the European and American and even Argentina or Mexico, so what happens

So buying Embraer means it helps Mexican workers too

Aernnova acquires Embraer's aerostructure factories in Portugal - Air Data News

Embraer announced the sale of two of its subsidiaries in Portugal that produce aerostructures. Aernnova, a partner of the Brazilian company in several

www.airway1.com

Why Russia can not compete? simple Poland was building many components for Il-86 and Il-96 so when the Soviet Union fell, the West ordered Poland to stop building parts for Il-86, plus Il-86 had inferior engines and needed four engines compared to B-767 or A-330, so what happened them

So as long as China goes alone the ability they have is smaller to sell over seas, Embraer sells because many get benefits, same is Boeing or Airbus.

So I will tell you Russia can not compete because Ukraine was so stupid to cut links with them, same was Poland and Russia is not allying her self with others except the thieves from the Chinese government so PD-35 excluded China and they are building a variant of Il-96 with twin engines PD-35.

For the Il-96 to be fitted with the new PD-35 turbofans, the aircraft would require a redesign of its wings. AINonline adds that Aviadvigatel expects the new engines to be available by 2025 or 2026. Interestingly, another aircraft that is set to use these turbofans is the CRAIC CR929 twinjet, of which production finally began earlier this week.

With this in mind, Ilyushin's parent company UAC is also reportedly considering using the new engines to develop a twin-engine version of the Il-96. This would offer lower operating costs than the existing quadjet configuration.

https://simpleflying.com/il-96-re-engine/

And same are engines

Safran supplier of the fan blades, booster and Fadec on the GEnx engine.


So even Airbus buys GEnx it will benefit France

China will need to do that or suffer the fate of Russia

 

[no smoking]

No Mexican fighter or engine just a Mexican claiming credit for an American engine with pages after pages of false equivalency of how contract work made the GE GenX engine part Mexican

Well, what else do you think he can say?
As a relatively smaller country sitting besides US, they already lost their chance to be an independent country on economy, technology field. Doing the contract work for western giants is the best deal they can get.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Well, what else do you think he can say?
As a relatively smaller country sitting besides US, they already lost their chance to be an independent country on economy, technology field. Doing the contract work for western giants is the best deal they can get.

like a typical Chinese troll, instead of talking engines or Industry go for personal attacks or how great and independent is China, talk aeronautics troll,


China as long as does not cooperate and continue with predatory policies will not advance and I will give an example that probably you do not know

This is a motorcycle from a Mexican Brand, named Italika in reality is a Chinese motorcycle only assembled in Mexico, Italika is the top motorcycle brand in Mexico, 67% of the market is owned by them.

However they can not be exported to the USA or Canada under the T-MEC or new NAFTA because it has parts made in China, so it has not parts made in the USA, Canada or Mexico, so the Mexican brand pays Taxes to get the parts and only reduces costs by Mexican workers assembling them, but in the USA or Canada is considered a 100% Chinese Motorcycle.

Same is Mexican solar Panels, this brand Solarever is from Mexico but the owner is a Chinese naturalized Mexican who receives direct investment and Technology from China, well is a troyan horse, what the USA did simple, Mexican Panels will Pay tariffs, so remember the Americans are not Stupid.

Not all the Solar panel bands are Chinese in Mexico but the Mexican companies pay for that, the Chinese are corrupt as Mexicans and the list goes and goes.

This is a Moldex electric truck designed and built in Mexico, however is built by Giant Motors, a related company to JAC because they also build Chinese cars, so what the USA did, simple Electric cars from Mexico will pay taxes too, remember the Americans are not Stupid

 

[KurtisBrian]

Pure fantasy, for the Chinese to compete with Boeing they need something more than market.

Let me elaborate.

Alliances, what do we mean by that?

Aernnova is a Spanish company building aero components, in few words they build fuselage parts for both Boeing or Airbus.
View attachment 136960

Embraer sells its Portuguese facilities to Aernnova

Embraer and Aernnova have concluded the sale of the metallurgy and composites industrial units located in the Évora Aeronautical Industrial Park, in Portugal.

www.aviacionline.com

So it means they benefit if Embraer also tells them to build some aero components, since Aernnova has facilities in Spain, Mexico, Portugal and British investors, you get benefits regardless what manufacturer, since they build for Airbus, Boeing or Embraer, the British benefit, the Portuguese, Spanish and Mexican too.

So why Frisa benefits regardless who sells, simple Pratt and Whitney, MTU, RR buy them parts, so you get benefits for a Mexican company so there is common interest for Airbus or Boeing to Grow.

What about Embraer? Embraer builds some parts of its airplanes but uses other companies for suppliers outside Brazil, there is final assembly in Brazil but some one in the USA, Mexico or Europe benefits.

So Brazil helps the European and American and even Argentina or Mexico, so what happens

View attachment 136963

So buying Embraer means it helps Mexican workers too

Aernnova acquires Embraer's aerostructure factories in Portugal - Air Data News

Embraer announced the sale of two of its subsidiaries in Portugal that produce aerostructures. Aernnova, a partner of the Brazilian company in several

www.airway1.com

Why Russia can not compete? simple Poland was building many components for Il-86 and Il-96 so when the Soviet Union fell, the West ordered Poland to stop building parts for Il-86, plus Il-86 had inferior engines and needed four engines compared to B-767 or A-330, so what happened them

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So as long as China goes alone the ability they have is smaller to sell over seas, Embraer sells because many get benefits, same is Boeing or Airbus.

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So I will tell you Russia can not compete because Ukraine was so stupid to cut links with them, same was Poland and Russia is not allying her self with others except the thieves from the Chinese government so PD-35 excluded China and they are building a variant of Il-96 with twin engines PD-35.

For the Il-96 to be fitted with the new PD-35 turbofans, the aircraft would require a redesign of its wings. AINonline adds that Aviadvigatel expects the new engines to be available by 2025 or 2026. Interestingly, another aircraft that is set to use these turbofans is the CRAIC CR929 twinjet, of which production finally began earlier this week.

With this in mind, Ilyushin's parent company UAC is also reportedly considering using the new engines to develop a twin-engine version of the Il-96. This would offer lower operating costs than the existing quadjet configuration.

https://simpleflying.com/il-96-re-engine/

And same are engines

Safran supplier of the fan blades, booster and Fadec on the GEnx engine.


So even Airbus buys GEnx it will benefit France

China will need to do that or suffer the fate of Russia

oh okay, I thought nations/corporations entered into alliances due to a need to share costs (facing limited funding, insufficient internal savings or massive national debts) and increase potential markets which were otherwise too small.

far as I see it, lots of little nations are only a bit different from a big nation with many of provinces/states and corporations.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

The power of Chinese engines does not allow the J-20 fighter to use laser weapons
February 8, 2022
44


The intention of the Chinese military to equip its most advanced fighter J-20 with high-tech combat systems, such as lasers, cannot yet be realized due to the insufficient power of the aircraft's engines.




Currently, a number of countries, including the United States, are prioritizing directed energy weapons that can be used to combat hypersonic missiles. The airborne combat laser is considered as a promising weapon that is capable of hitting other aircraft, as well as objects on land and at sea.

However, the J-20 does not have a powerful enough power plant. In its current version, it does not provide energy for new weapons systems, and work on its modernization is chronically behind schedule. The increased power engine for the new generation of fighters of the PLA Air Force was supposed to appear in 2020, but schedules are constantly shifting.

The limited thrust of the WS-10 engines, originally designed for earlier generations of fighter jets, could be a serious constraint to China's airborne laser weapons program.

As Western observers explain, the increase in energy consumption will negatively affect the flight range and maneuverability of the fighter. There are also physical limitations: when an aircraft approaches the speed of sound, airflow disturbances degrade the quality of lasers. In this regard, experts suggest that Chinese developers at the current stage focus on developing the capabilities of a fighter to control drones.

The J-20 needs more thrust and stable power output to make full use of directed energy weapons.

- writes a columnist in the Hong Kong edition of SCMP.

Мощность китайских двигателей не позволяет истребителю J-20 использовать лазерное оружие

Намерение китайских военных оснастить свой самый передовой истребитель J-20 высокотехнологичными боевыми системами, такими как лазеры, пока не может реализоваться из-за недостаточной мощности двигателей самолёта. В настоящее время в целом ряде стран, включая США, отдаётся приоритетное внимание

topwar.ru

 

[MiG-29SMT]

oh okay, I thought nations/corporations entered into alliances due to a need to share costs (facing limited funding, insufficient internal savings or massive national debts) and increase potential markets which were otherwise too small.

far as I see it, lots of little nations are only a bit different from a big nation with many of provinces/states and corporations.

Economy is always like that, in order to be, in commerce you need the ability of both sides to earn money and have a gain-gain relationship.


For China or the USA even if they are the biggest economies they need smaller economies to earn money, otherwise impoverishment means commerce will stop.

If the american engine manufacturers lose in China, the logic is limit a potential rival to destroy you.

Boeing will not finance a company that wants to steal the market from them.

For China even they develop C919 with Chinese engine there is little incentive for Japan to buy it since Japan builds parts for american aircraft B787 and jet engines, same will be France or Germany.

So China will be like the Soviet Union buying Chinese aircraft no one buys.

Russia wants Russian airplanes; Europe, European airplanes; Brazil, Brazilian airplanes.

The advantage of western manufacturers then is their industries are intertwined, in Example airbus-bombardier, Boeing-RR, and so on so basically China is not fighting the USA but the entire western world and you have to add Brazil or Japan


Safran helping GE means more technology is transferred, ITP helping RR well means cheaper prices more technological expertise, more ideas flowing, it will not be easy for China.

India then needs too to make alliances to share joint ventures, and same is Russia

 

[KurtisBrian]

Economy is always like that, in order to be, in commerce you need the ability of both sides to earn money and have a gain-gain relationship.


For China or the USA even if they are the biggest economies they need smaller economies to earn money, otherwise impoverishment means commerce will stop.

If the american engine manufacturers lose in China, the logic is limit a potential rival to destroy you.

Boeing will not finance a company that wants to steal the market from them.

For China even they develop C919 with Chinese engine there is little incentive for Japan to buy it since Japan builds parts for american aircraft B787 and jet engines, same will be France or Germany.

So China will be like the Soviet Union buying Chinese aircraft no one buys.

Russia wants Russian airplanes; Europe, European airplanes; Brazil, Brazilian airplanes.

The advantage of western manufacturers then is their industries are intertwine, in Example airbus-bombardier, Boeing-RR, and so on so basically China is not fighting the USa but the entire western world and you have to add Brazil or Japan


Safran helping GE means more technology is transferred, ITP helping RR well means cheaper prices more technological expertise, more ideas flowing, it will not be easy for China

You keep speaking of the now in the USA/EU, as if what corporations there do is relevant to the China of now. China and much of Asia are in a financial position that the USA was in 100 years ago. Huge savings, many factories, lots of cheap eager workers. The USA and Europe are indebted, losing and desperately selling off technology, created by others, to the competition. What the US and EU do now is because they have made all the wrong decisions and plundered the wealth of people in "their" nations and in foreign nations.

Alliances:
I see a sinking ship looking for lots of smaller life rafts in hopes those rafts can prop up the bigger ship.
You see something else. That is probably part of the reason why you are in the USA/Mexico/Japan? and I am not. Of course, another reason I am not n those places would be they, like so many others especially Catholic, would not like me. hahaha

 

[MiG-29SMT]

You keep speaking of the now in the USA/EU, as if what corporations there do is relevant to the China of now. China and much of Asia are in a financial position that the USA was in 100 years ago. Huge savings, many factories, lots of cheap eager workers. The USA and Europe are indebted, losing and desperately selling off technology, created by others, to the competition. What the US and EU do now is because they have made all the wrong decisions and plundered the wealth of people in "their" nations and in foreign nations.

Alliances:
I see a sinking ship looking for lots of smaller life rafts in hopes those rafts can prop up the bigger ship.
You see something else. That is probably part of the reason why you are in the USA/Mexico/Japan? and I am not. Of course, another reason I am not n those places would be they, like so many others especially Catholic, would not like me. hahaha

The Idea the west is sinking is not true, globalization means technology is spreading, China now builds jet engines because technology now flows quicker, the fact in Mexico they have jet engine design is the same, the west is not going to sink because the east is not better, there is going to be a multipolar world, but a multipolar world means money should flow in all directions.

India will not let China enslave them, thus they are developing technology, same is Brazil, Mexico, Russia, I am not saying China has no right to develop their technology, but simply in order to have order you need gain to gain relationships thus you need alliances and you are wrong the West is more than Europe or Anglosaxon America.

Russia and Latin America are western nations because we are Christian nations

 

[fire starter]

Is WS 15 fifth generation engine. I don't think so.

 

[ym888]

Same is Mexican solar Panels, this brand Solarever is from Mexico but the owner is a Chinese naturalized Mexican who receives direct investment and Technology from China, well is a troyan horse, what the USA did simple, Mexican Panels will Pay tariffs, so remember the Americans are not Stupid.

I agree, Americans are not stupid.



Two-thirds of U.S. solar panels come from China.



Mexicans can't take advantage of Americans.

 

[ym888]

The power of Chinese engines does not allow the J-20 fighter to use laser weapons
February 8, 2022
44


The intention of the Chinese military to equip its most advanced fighter J-20 with high-tech combat systems, such as lasers, cannot yet be realized due to the insufficient power of the aircraft's engines.




Currently, a number of countries, including the United States, are prioritizing directed energy weapons that can be used to combat hypersonic missiles. The airborne combat laser is considered as a promising weapon that is capable of hitting other aircraft, as well as objects on land and at sea.

However, the J-20 does not have a powerful enough power plant. In its current version, it does not provide energy for new weapons systems, and work on its modernization is chronically behind schedule. The increased power engine for the new generation of fighters of the PLA Air Force was supposed to appear in 2020, but schedules are constantly shifting.

The limited thrust of the WS-10 engines, originally designed for earlier generations of fighter jets, could be a serious constraint to China's airborne laser weapons program.

As Western observers explain, the increase in energy consumption will negatively affect the flight range and maneuverability of the fighter. There are also physical limitations: when an aircraft approaches the speed of sound, airflow disturbances degrade the quality of lasers. In this regard, experts suggest that Chinese developers at the current stage focus on developing the capabilities of a fighter to control drones.

The J-20 needs more thrust and stable power output to make full use of directed energy weapons.

- writes a columnist in the Hong Kong edition of SCMP.

Мощность китайских двигателей не позволяет истребителю J-20 использовать лазерное оружие

Намерение китайских военных оснастить свой самый передовой истребитель J-20 высокотехнологичными боевыми системами, такими как лазеры, пока не может реализоваться из-за недостаточной мощности двигателей самолёта. В настоящее время в целом ряде стран, включая США, отдаётся приоритетное внимание

topwar.ru

J20 is for WS15, hopefully by 2025

 

[KurtisBrian]

The Idea the west is sinking is not true, globalization means technology is spreading, China now builds jet engines because technology now flows quicker, the fact in Mexico they have jet engine design is the same, the west is not going to sink because the east is not better, there is going to be a multipolar world, but a multipolar world means money should flow in all directions.

India will not let China enslave them, thus they are developing technology, same is Brazil, Mexico, Russia, I am not saying China has no right to develop their technology, but simply in order to have order you need gain to gain relationships thus you need alliances and you are wrong the West is more than Europe or Anglosaxon America.

Russia and Latin America are western nations because we are Christian nations

Your beliefs are not mine but you have posted lots of interesting information on "aerodynamics"?, engines and stealth. I enjoyed it.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

I agree, Americans are not stupid.



Two-thirds of U.S. solar panels come from China.



Mexicans can't take advantage of Americans.

Relax troll,

of course we do not abuse Mexico buys and and sells our trade relationship is much better than the one the USA has with China.

In fact we are taxing the Chinese companies in Mexico, they need to have Mexican partners to get into Mexico


Giant motors built Chinese cars but some money goes to our business men, plus they have to build them in Mexico and we built our own electric cars in those factories

Mabe, a company that designs and produces household appliances, announced the integration of the Chinese brand Haier into its portfolio in Mexico, with which it intends to boost its participation in the market for technological products and connectivity for the home.

The company will supply the Mexican market from the factory in China and from the stove factory from the Mabe manufacturing complex in San Luis Potosí, said Juan Martín Vásquez, marketing manager for the company in Mexico, in a virtual conference.

Mabe integra marca china de electrodomésticos Haier en México

Mabe, una empresa que diseña y produce electrodomésticos, dio a conocer la integración de la marca china Haier a su portafolio en México, con lo que pretende impulsar su participación en el mercado de productos tecnológicos y con conectividad para el hogar.

www.sentidocomun.com.mx

eye for an eye tooth for a tooth

In fact the Indians should force the Chinese companies to have Indian partners to stop your stealing

 

[Kumata]

Relax troll, View attachment 136980
eye for an eye tooth for a tooth

In fact the Indians should force the Chinese companies to have Indian partners to stop your stealing

Valid Point ... As world understand chinese CCP's nefarious designs and ways... everybody is slowly de-coupling from china at the moment...

As for Chinese looking for partnership in technologically superior companies, I believe time is up for such collbaorations...US have actively put many chinese companies on "Prohibited list" including semi conductor industries....MSS / CCP will have to double their efforts to steal IMO!!!!!!!

India is also actively decoupling at the moment ... with govt promoting many PLI schemes for promoting local manufacturing . For eg, Tesla wanted tax breaks for selling in india & govt have clearly told them in no uncertain terms that they have to manufacture here if they want to sell. Elon can cry as much but thats the truth.... Almost all chinese core telecom equipment's are getting replaced with Ericcsson / Nokia / motorola ...Mobile companies are under investigation ......

 

[Kumata]

I agree, Americans are not stupid.



Two-thirds of U.S. solar panels come from China.



Mexicans can't take advantage of Americans.

There is no need for mexicans to take advantage of US ...Theirs is a natural partnership being neighbors...

Solar panels - at the moment, yes but till how far .... that,s the questions. within india, we have top shots like adani setting up factories to manufacture panels with a capacity of 3.5 GW ..slowly tables will turn..

 

[ym888]

Relax troll, View attachment 136980

of course we do not abuse Mexico buys and and sells our trade relationship is much better than the one the USA has with China.

In fact we are taxing the Chinese companies in Mexico, they need to have Mexican partners to get into Mexico


Giant motors built Chinese cars but some money goes to our business men, plus they have to build them in Mexico and we built our own electric cars in those factories
View attachment 136981

Mabe, a company that designs and produces household appliances, announced the integration of the Chinese brand Haier into its portfolio in Mexico, with which it intends to boost its participation in the market for technological products and connectivity for the home.

The company will supply the Mexican market from the factory in China and from the stove factory from the Mabe manufacturing complex in San Luis Potosí, said Juan Martín Vásquez, marketing manager for the company in Mexico, in a virtual conference.

Mabe integra marca china de electrodomésticos Haier en México

Mabe, una empresa que diseña y produce electrodomésticos, dio a conocer la integración de la marca china Haier a su portafolio en México, con lo que pretende impulsar su participación en el mercado de productos tecnológicos y con conectividad para el hogar.

www.sentidocomun.com.mx

eye for an eye tooth for a tooth

In fact the Indians should force the Chinese companies to have Indian partners to stop your stealing

Mexico's foreign trade reached a record high of nearly $1 trillion in 2021, according to data from Inegi, Mexico's national Statistics Agency. Among them, exports amounted to 494.224 billion US dollars, up 18.5% year on year, the largest increase in 11 years. Imports amounted to 505.716 billion US dollars, up 32.1% year on year. The trade deficit was $11.491 billion.



In terms of the product structure of Mexico's exports, oil exports reached us $28.925 billion, up 65.4% year on year. Agricultural exports reached 19.669 billion US dollars, up 7.6% year on year; Manufacturing exports reached 436.076 billion US dollars, up 16.7% year on year; Mining exports reached us $9.555 billion, up 29% year-on-year.



In terms of the mix of imported products, the import of intermediate products reached us $403.164 billion, up 32.7% year on year. Imports of consumer goods reached $62.018 billion, up 34.9% year on year; Imports of capital products reached $40.534 billion, up 21.8% year on year.

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Mexico lacks an industrial base, strong indigenous brands and core technologies.



You can't go up the value chain



Can only be a spare parts assembly factory

 

[ym888]

There is no need for mexicans to take advantage of US ...Theirs is a natural partnership being neighbors...

Solar panels - at the moment, yes but till how far .... that,s the questions. within india, we have top shots like adani setting up factories to manufacture panels with a capacity of 3.5 GW ..slowly tables will turn..

If Indians had all their wishes come true,

now India's GDP would be 5 times that of China, not the other way around.

 

[Kumata]

Can only be a spare parts assembly factory

was not china also same initially before ur MSS agents picked up the stealing acitvities on a war footing level ???

There is an interesting story from memoirs of a RAW officer -

In 90,s , One of the RAW officer complained to his boss in MEA that why they are not being allowed to steal /spy on soft targets like technologies etc ... apparently, he took inspiration from MSS agents who were openly stealing and recruiting academia in US / Europe ...

 

[Kumata]

If Indians had all their wishes come true,

now India's GDP would be 5 times that of China, not the other way around.

I knew this would be ur last bogey..... 5 times .... problem is we have some ethics which do not allow to steal other IPR ...