"We're currently in the process of acquiring ToT for retractable IFR probe from a firm in Tanzania, up until then all TEDBF Mk-1s will fly with a non retractable one. From Mk-1As we'll have them" : ADA Chief
ADA Chief : 5th generation minus...
Terrified HAL Babus : Minus!? Minus what Chief? Say it Chief!
Chad ADA Chief : Minus everything that makes a 4th generation a 5th one
Virgin HAL Babus :
Arre bilkul ki; agar mann kiya to udayenge nai to pade rehne denge saale koTEDBF will be optionally mannedTejas Mark 1: Stepping stone to self-reliance
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Not engine?
amriki invention sahab...marketing gimmick just to have the word "5th generation"
No thats 4.5 gen. 5 - gen is Low observable also i.e. partial stealth. Besides some 6th gen features will also be present i.e. MUMT, optionally manned, networking and computing. TEDBF will be far ahead of Rafale
thats what i said... remember 5th gen is not fixed set of requirements. they are getting updated with time. they shall continue to get updated, till a definite set of requirements and design/technology characteristics are defined as minimum threshold for any 6th aircraft.
No you only said 5th gen avionics but the airframe should also be low observable and should confirm to changing requirements which 3 decades old design of Rafale airframe cannot. Moreover, Rafale doesnt comply with any of the present 5th gen requirements like super computing and contemporary engine and avionics. TEDBF will be contemporary 5- gen.
No not engine
Rafale has Frontal low RCS as well as spectra active cancellation which adds to its signature reduction. Both Rafale and would TEDBF shall be without internal bay. You are basing your statements on assumption that Rafale shall remain standing there. It shall see possible upgradation in next tranches' too. Now unmanned maybe or may not be incorporated. As they have other programmes like neURON and FCAS- and dassault would love to sell those when they are realized. If the latter gets delayed, you shall see further upgradation of Rafale. Also wrt engines, right now TEBDF doesnt have any thing decided. And they are currently trying source british, french or american engine solution. @BON PLAN may have more insights on rafale future roadmap.
Rafale’s RCS is not considered low anymore. In its prime Mirage 2000 was also low observable. Rafale doesnt even have retractable refueling probe. Spectra is just a EW system. All those you quoted are characteristics of 4.5 gen aircrafts. All of 4.5 gen aircrafts have them. The performances may vary to some extend. All 4.5 gen aircrafts will undergo upgrades but they will remain behind the indevelopment 5- gen jets due to older designs of airframes, engines etc. Rafale may become part of MUMT as manned platform but TEDBF from start will have optionally manned features individually.
Someone here mentioned, for engine testing, you need 4 engine aircrafts. That way, even if your engine fails, the aircraft can land without issues.
both would having stores hanging outside body. That alone contributes more to RCS than anything. TEDBF is nothing but Rafale on steroids. And its not a bad thing - atleast for Navy's requirements. Navy is quite clear when it says 5 - gen.
TEDBF will have recessed bay, other RCS reducing features, conformal sensors and better EW. It wont be VLO but definitely LO. As I said it will be Rafale mk2.
Again I never contested that. I explained what he meant by Gen 5 - . Not Gen 6- Not Gen 4 +. All the features you listed are essentially Gen 5 -.
Just to make a little correction; generations are defined by something so inherent in design that it can't be just plugged and played in any other generation.
I mostly agree with you but stealth is not just result of shaping (although it is major contributor). Most probably it was a marketing gimmick (5- gen) fighter
