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[BON PLAN]

In today's world no country produces every fighter jet technology Solemnly on its own except Russia
In US f35 program large number of countries are involved
Sweden uses US engine in its fighter jet
Eurofighter typhoon is fighter jet produced by eu nations
South Korea uses US technology to build by and fighter jet
Even Japan also uses US technology to built up a fighter jet.
So India is also using US jet and Israeli radar in fighter jet.
Using other countries product in a fighter jet is a common thing today every country does it even USA

F35 engine uses foreign components only to fulfill offsets. The know how is 100% US.

You forget France : Atar engines, M53, M88 are all fully french studied and made. The know how is 100% french.

The RR case is special : the last jet engine fully english is Spey. quite old. But as they are producing a full range of civilian liners engine, I think they always have the full spectrum of skill to make military engines.

So the only fully integrated are : PW and GE (US), RR (GB), SAFRAN (Fr), Russia. And that's all. It's a vey small and hoopoe club !
China is only able to make pale copy of russian designs so far, despite thousand engineers and large amount of money. only a question of time.

 

[Ayushraj]

F35 engine uses foreign components only to fulfill offsets. The know how is 100% US.

You forget France : Atar engines, M53, M88 are all fully french studied and made. The know how is 100% french.

The RR case is special : the last jet engine fully english is Spey. quite old. But as they are producing a full range of civilian liners engine, I think they always have the full spectrum of skill to make military engines.

So the only fully integrated are : PW and GE (US), RR (GB), SAFRAN (Fr), Russia. And that's all. It's a vey small and hoopoe club !
China is only able to make pale copy of russian designs so far, despite thousand engineers and large amount of money. only a question of time.

Having world class technology dosent guarantee your victory in war.
What is use of having f22 and f35 when you are defeated in Afghanistan.
What is use of having high end technology and defeated by Vietnam.
Even USSR was defeated in Afghanistan
Chinese performance in Vietnam is widely know.
No doubt we currently don't have perfect engine technology but if we use our resources in hand in right direction that is important in case of war

 

[Lonewolf]

Having world class technology dosent guarantee your victory in war.
What is use of having f22 and f35 when you are defeated in Afghanistan.
What is use of having high end technology and defeated by Vietnam.
Even USSR was defeated in Afghanistan
Chinese performance in Vietnam is widely know.
No doubt we currently don't have perfect engine technology but if we use our resources in hand in right direction that is important in case of war

Don't change topic please refrain from derailing , conversation is about indigenization of tech , we are lagging in this field , your assessment might be true but not relevant right now

 

[FalconSlayers]

Having world class technology dosent guarantee your victory in war.
What is use of having f22 and f35 when you are defeated in Afghanistan.
What is use of having high end technology and defeated by Vietnam.
Even USSR was defeated in Afghanistan
Chinese performance in Vietnam is widely know.
No doubt we currently don't have perfect engine technology but if we use our resources in hand in right direction that is important in case of war

It is foolish to say that USA lost Afghanistan. You came 10,000 km away to Afghanistan, fought there and killed thousands of Taliban for 20 years straight. It can not be called a defeat. USA lost in Vietnam but its also true Vietnam is thousands of kilometers away from USA.

USSR was defeated when Americans started funding and arming the Afghan Mujahideens.

China and Vietnam share border, hence Chinese defeat in front of Tiny Vietnam is not just a defeat but a humiliating one. But USA’s defeat in Vietnam is not a surprising thing.

 

[Tridev123]

You can't imagine the scale at which US do manufacturing if they come together. China even in current modern age can't match what US did during WW2.
They were churning out Naval vessels every week and some vassals every 2-3 days.
Only things is that US has not a bunch ok c*cks in their senate and white office.

India is still too dependent on imports especially in the electronic devices area.
I would like India to reduce the dependence.
This weakness in defence manufacturing is also due to the distrust and paranoid view of our private sector that Government babus share. Our quite capable private sector industry should have made an equal partner decades back. Any management person will agree that the profit oriented private sector will innovate better. There may be a few exceptions in the public/Government sector. Recognition of merit and rewards for good performance is a key incentive for increased productivity. Also having a policy of pushing out non performers after a fair appraisal reduces dead wood in any organisation. The private sector has more freedom in labour recruitment and retrenchment. Lean and mean organisations thrive better in a highly competitive world.

This is not to say that the private sector will perform miracles. But Indian defence manufacturing would have been in a far better position if at least 50% of defence products had been made by the private sector. Look at the trajectory of L&T ship building division. They have been delivering good quality ships(small vessels no doubt) well before deadlines without cost and time overruns.

I am sure that if L&T had been given permission to manufacture tank shells ammunition or even the much maligned INSAS rifles decades ago they would have delivered a better quality product compared to the OFB.

Perhaps the public/Government sector can be allowed a monopoly in truly strategic areas like nuclear weapons production etc.

Anyway the future is bright as India is increasing the tempo of defence R&D and arms production. The private sector will play an increasingly important role and such a development is inevitable.

FDI is increasing and new technology is coming into the civilian sector. As industrial production increases in scale and competitiveness in the civilian sector, the benefits will also rub off on the military industrial arena.

China has been a very big gainer of the influx of foreign investment, technologies and management practices. India should also welcome FDI provided our core national security concerns are safeguarded.

The Covid 19 pandemic will only be a temporary speed breaker and India will bounce back very soon. But a very crucial lesson should be learnt. Biological warfare can almost paralyse an nation. India should develop advanced biological warfare capabilities. If an virus/bacteria or any other pathogen is used to attack the Indian population or livestock then after 100% verification of its origins, the culprit nation should be similarly attacked by us. Establishing deterrence is the only way to stop potential attacks.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[SavageKing456]

Having world class technology dosent guarantee your victory in war.
What is use of having f22 and f35 when you are defeated in Afghanistan.
What is use of having high end technology and defeated by Vietnam.
Even USSR was defeated in Afghanistan
Chinese performance in Vietnam is widely know.
No doubt we currently don't have perfect engine technology but if we use our resources in hand in right direction that is important in case of war

True, normally i don't agree with your views vis-vis Indian defense projects.
But this one opinion hits with precision.
Exactly that US spends most of it's valuable money on useless things.
Similarly we don't need to "match" china in making tons of aircraft carriers since their budget is massive
We can spend smartly and make them pay for any misadventures in IOR

 

[Lost user]

You can't imagine the scale at which US do manufacturing if they come together. China even in current modern age can't match what US did during WW2.
They were churning out Naval vessels every week and some vassals every 2-3 days.
Only things is that US has not a bunch ok c*cks in their senate and white office.

Chinese merchant navy and ship building capability today, is vastly superior than even wartime US merchant navy capability. In a war, this huge civilian ship building capability of thr chinese will be redirected towards naval ship building.. US ship building capabilties have withered..

 

[no smoking]

The victory or loss is depending on whether you archive the target of war and at what cost.

It is foolish to say that USA lost Afghanistan. You came 10,000 km away to Afghanistan, fought there and killed thousands of Taliban for 20 years straight. It can not be called a defeat.

At the beginning, USA told everyone that they wanted to destroy Taliban and wipe out the basis of terrorism.
20 years later, they reach the agreement with Taliban and pull out of Afghan. They failed to reach their original target.

USA lost in Vietnam but its also true Vietnam is thousands of kilometers away from USA.

Again, USA intended to defend South Vietnam. What is the result? South Vietnam collapsed after they run out.

USSR was defeated when Americans started funding and arming the Afghan Mujahideens.

What was USSR's objective? Building up an Afghan gov loyal to Moscow, which however didn't last more than a few month after Russian left.

China and Vietnam share border, hence Chinese defeat in front of Tiny Vietnam is not just a defeat but a humiliating one. But USA’s defeat in Vietnam is not a surprising thing.

Was Chinese planning to conquer the whole Vietnam before the war? No, Chinese had told Moscow it was only a small punishment and they would withdraw in a short time even before the war started.
So what was the goals?
1. Response to Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia: Dec 1978 Vietnam invade Cambodia, Feb 1979 Chinese attack started, do you see the timeline?

This was partially failure, Vietnamese still stayed in Cambodia, but they couldn't put more forces into it as they got Chinese on their back since then.

2. Making Vietnam unable to threat to Chinese border in WW3 as an ally of Soviet .

This was success: 3 Vietnam northern provinces were totally destroyed, the Chinese army even got the time to disassemble all the factories and send the machines back to China.

The cost: 30,000 death among 320,000 attacking troops when Vietnam got the similar losses.

Will you call that a humiliation? I don't think so.

 

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[FalconSlayers]

So why LCA Mk-2 doesn’t have Fly-by-light?

 

[SKC]

Chinese merchant navy and ship building capability today, is vastly superior than even wartime US merchant navy capability. In a war, this huge civilian ship building capability of thr chinese will be redirected towards naval ship building.. US ship building capabilties have withered..

Ofcourse it is superior TODAY!
Ofcourse chinese have built most no of high rise building in the world.
But US did that back in 30s and 40s.
and yes ofcourse it is not the same with US now, nothing is same in US now compared to WW era.

 

[Tactical Doge]

This baby fits into helo decks of ICG ships?

 

[FalconSlayers]

This baby fits into helo decks of ICG ships?

That’s what the tweet means, and that’s what makes her special.

 

[Lonewolf]

So why LCA Mk-2 doesn’t have Fly-by-light?

Not fully mature , need some work , actuator need to be electric , they are just making a gripen ng in tejas mk 2 , might introduce these tech in later phase with same airframe

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

It's based on type of research and our requirements , higher mach number for re entry vehicle and all , mach. 13 is for cruise missiles

No mention of pork or Turkey

 

[Lonewolf]

No mention of pork or Turkey

Turkish program are basically a father EU member helping his extra excited son turkey to make some shiny toy , tai t 129 is mangusta copy , their missiles are just a project guided by EU , their tank is shit , a propeller plane all they have , some shipbuilding they asked from EU , read about any of their project in detail and you will know who helped them

 

[Karthi]

A new wind tunnel is under construction for DRDO

layout of high dynamic pressure super sonic wind tunnel

Layout of trisonic wind tunnel

setting chamber of wind tunnel

trisonic test section

 

[Maitreya Shyam]

No mention of Pakistan

Hypersonic Weapons - Federation of American Scientists

3 days ago — Hypersonic Weapons: Background and Issues for Congress. The United States has actively pursued the development of hypersonic

Wait kafir pakistan is nuclear armed nation

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

No mention of pork or Turkey

I would love to live a day where Indians stop obsessing over pakistan on every single thing.